SARE Ladies

Anita Wong + Ashley Cao
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SARE Ladies, or Subtle Asian Real Estate: Ladies seeks to address the successes and failures of the Real Estate and Diversity landscape. We are a community created by AAPI millennials working to educate, inspire, motivate, and empower immigrant communities to pursue investments and careers in Real Estate. We want to use our voices to combine powerful humans, comedic storytelling, and hard truths to make Real Estate something that we can ALL be a part of. We provide useful facts, relatable failures, and inappropriate banter to make it all fun and never boring.

  1. MAR 13

    S6 EP #3 | Leasing in the Age of AI

    In this episode of SARE Ladies, Anita and Ashley sit down with Connie Lee, CEO of Reffie, to unpack a hard truth: leasing isn’t broken because of traffic — it’s broken because of psychology, discipline, and misplaced tech optimism. Connie shares what she saw inside the leasing system that made her realize the problem runs deeper than most operators admit. From the emotional limbo tenants experience between a tour and an application, to why “very interested” leads disappear, we explore how uncertainty quietly kills momentum — and how lack of follow-up discipline compounds it. Then we tackle AI head-on. If PropTech has been “revolutionizing” leasing for a decade, why are vacancy rates still messy? Why are renters still texting friends at 11 PM because a chatbot couldn’t answer a basic floor plan question? Is AI improving conversion — or just increasing activity? This conversation cuts through the hype and focuses on what actually moves occupancy in 2026: clarity, speed, and disciplined follow-through. We close with one uncomfortable truth every operator needs to hear about leasing this year. If you care about occupancy, morale, and building systems that convert — this episode is for you. To find Connie: www.reffie.me Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    39 min

  2. FEB 27

    S6 EP #2 | A Special Announcement…

    In this special announcement episode, Ashley shares a deeply personal update about her IVF journey and what led her to take this life-changing step. Joined by Anita, the conversation takes listeners behind the scenes of the decision-making process, the emotional highs and lows, and the realities that many don’t openly talk about. Ashley reflects on where she was in life when she chose to begin IVF, what parts of the process were harder (and easier) than expected, and the financial considerations that often catch families off guard. She also opens up about how IVF intersected with work, ambition, and her sense of control—and what support looks like for her in this season. This episode is an honest, vulnerable conversation about fertility, resilience, partnership, and navigating big life decisions while balancing career and identity. Whether you're considering IVF, supporting someone who is, or simply want a real conversation about modern motherhood and ambition, this episode is for you. While we aim to provide a helpful overview of the IVF process, please note that some terminology used in this episode may not align perfectly with formal clinical definitions. We encourage you to use this discussion as a starting point and conduct your own research or consult with a medical professional to ensure a precise understanding of these complex procedures. How to find Ashley: Instagram: @_ashflow Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    39 min
  3. S6 EP #1 | What You Need to Know About Bilt 2.0

    FEB 6

    S6 EP #1 | What You Need to Know About Bilt 2.0

    Welcome back to the SARE Ladies Podcast: Season 6 is officially live, and we’re kicking it off with an EMERGENCY SESSION because the Bilt 2.0 transition has the points world in absolute chaos. We’re your hosts, Anita Wong (multifamily investor, new mom of two) and Ashley Cao (commercial mortgage lender, investor, recovering tech employee), and today we’re getting into the real story behind the Bilt “drama.” To help us make sense of it all, we brought back one of our most-loved guests: Katherine Fan, a personal finance and travel writer whose work has appeared in NerdWallet and The Points Guy. Together, we break down Bilt in plain English: what it is, why it matters specifically for real estate investors, and what the current Bilt 2.0 offering actually looks like (beyond the headlines and hot takes). Then we get practical: what are the real risks for consumers, and is Bilt still worth it if you only have one rent or mortgage payment? You’ll leave with clear takeaways, a smarter way to evaluate the hype, and a next-step checklist for deciding if Bilt 2.0 belongs in your points strategy, or if it’s a “hard pass” for your situation. Plus, Katherine shares what she’s building next for investor travelers and how to keep up with her work. Katherine Fan is a personal finance and travel journalist who's published more than 2,000 articles for media sites like Nerdwallet, The Points Guy, and Business Insider. She's also a real estate investor with six doors in central Texas, and specializes in helping small business owners maximize their credit card rewards from business-related expenses. Before transitioning to the media industry, Katherine worked in tech as a software sales account executive. Although Katherine primarily splits time between Austin and New York City, she spent her teens in Taiwan and considers Taipei her third home.  Links: Previous Episode with Katherine Fan: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6HOJfsiIl3G726fFK9mAZb?si=eff188f99ec941eb Bilt Card Calculator: https://nextcard.com/tools/bilt-calculator How to find Katherine: Instagram: @katherinefangirling Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    49 min

  4. 12/31/2025

    S5 EP #12 Year End Recap

    Season 5 of SARE Ladies was about more than deals, capital, or strategy — it was about growth, responsibility, and becoming more intentional with how we build. In this final episode, we take time to reflect on what this past year has taught us — the wins we’re proud of, the lessons that stayed with us longer than expected, and the moments that challenged how we think about leadership, money, and legacy. We talk candidly about what podcasting has revealed, what it really takes to build community in this space, and the mistakes we see people make when they try to grow something meaningful — including our own. We also share the blind spots we’re still working through and how self-awareness has become just as important as ambition. As we look ahead, we explore what’s next for SARE Ladies, the conversations we’re excited to bring forward, and how we’re rethinking 2026 — not just in terms of goals, but in how we want to live, work, and show up. This episode is an invitation to slow down, reflect, and move forward with clarity — grounded in purpose, community, and intention. If you’ve been with us this season, thank you for growing alongside us. Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    57 min

  5. 12/23/2025

    S5 EP #11 Philip Wang of Wong Fu Productions on Identity, Entrepreneurship, and Community Building

    Join Philip Wang, co-founder of Wong Fu Productions, as he dives into identity, entrepreneurship, and the power of community building. In this podcast episode, Philip shares lessons from building a global creative brand, navigating cultural identity, and leading with purpose. A must-listen for creators, entrepreneurs, and anyone passionate about meaningful storytelling and impact. How to find Philip: IG: @wongfuphil About Lisa Sutton Gunderson: Philip Wang is a producer, writer, director, and NYT best-selling author who has impacted Asian American culture through various businesses and content over the past 2 decades. As a co-founder of Wong Fu Productions he created hundreds of sketches, films, and shows which amassed hundreds of millions of views, over 3 million subscribers, and a global fan base supporting his work for Asian American representation in media. As a pioneer for Asian digital content creators, his work has been praised for its quality, authenticity, and impact, even being recognized by NPR, CNN, and the White House. His cultural insight led him to co-author a NYT best-selling book "Rise: A Pop History of Asian America from the Nineties to Now". On top of his work in entertainment, he is also the co-founder of Bopomofo Cafe, a popular Chinese/Taiwanese-American cafe where he also hosts a Netflix web series, “Spill the Boba Tea”. With 5 locations and 6th coming soon in Downtown Disney where they will be the first boba concept ever in the district, Bopomofo continues to grow with its mission to uplift the community! Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    39 min

  6. 12/09/2025

    S5 EP #10 | A Fireside Chat with the COO & Co-Founder of Asian Hustle Network: Maggie Chui

    Join us for a fireside chat with Maggie Chui, COO and Co-Founder of Asian Hustle Network, as she shares her journey in building one of the largest Asian entrepreneur communities in the world. In this episode, we explore leadership, community building, and the unique opportunities shaping Asian professionals in America. Maggie opens up about empowering the next generation and creating spaces where Asian voices can thrive. Tune in for inspiration, real stories, and actionable insights. How to find Maggie: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggchui/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/magg.chui  https://www.instagram.com/asianhustlenetwork About Maggie: Maggie Chui is the co-founder and COO of Asian Hustle Network (AHN), a global community that uplifts and connects Asian entrepreneurs and creatives. Through its cultural agency, Asian Hustle Solutions, AHN also provides digital solutions to help business owners grow and scale. With a background in finance, technology, government, and interior design, Maggie developed a deep interest in entrepreneurship and community building. In 2019, she co-founded AHN to amplify Asian voices, empower entrepreneurs, and celebrate cultural heritage. Since then, AHN has grown into a thriving network of more than 250,000 members worldwide. Maggie’s work and insights have been featured in outlets such as the South China Morning Post, San Francisco Chronicle, LA Times, VoyageLA, NextShark, and China Global TV Network. She is passionate about creating experiences that bring people together and strengthen communities through meaningful connections. Based in Las Vegas, Maggie enjoys exploring new restaurants, traveling, and powerlifting. Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    42 min

  7. 12/02/2025

    S5 EP #9 | The Wealth Trifecta: How to Legally Build, Protect, and Pass Down Your Wealth

    Learn how to structure your business, investments, and estate like the wealthy with the Wealth Trifecta. In this episode, KKOS Senior Attorney Ashley Burr joins the SARE Ladies to explain how to legally build, protect, and pass down your wealth through smart entity planning, tax strategy, and trusts. Perfect for real estate investors and entrepreneurs who want to keep more of what they earn - and create lasting generational wealth. How to find Ashley: ashley.burr@kkoslawyers.com Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

    35 min

  8. 11/25/2025

    S5 EP #8 | Build Your 2026 Roadmap with Lisa Song-Sutton

    Plan your 2026 goals with entrepreneur and investor Lisa Song Sutton. Learn simple steps to review your year, set priorities, and build a clear plan for growth. Hear practical tools Lisa uses to manage multiple businesses and stay consistent while preparing for a strong new year. If you would like to join Lisa‘s December 19 event, you can find out more information athttp://www.lisasongsutton.com/workshopFor 20% off use code: SARELADIES How to find Lisa: IG: @LisaSongSutton About Lisa Sutton Gunderson: Lisa Sutton Gunderson is a real estate investor, entrepreneur, and venture capitalist. She began her career at a top Las Vegas law firm before launching and scaling multiple 6-, 7-, and 8-figure businesses across industries including real estate, baked goods, shipping retail, and venture capital. Lisa is the General Partner of The Veteran Fund, which invests in veteran-led startups focused on critical technologies. As of July 2025, their $50M fund II was announced and the firm has invested over $16M into veteran-led companies so far. A proud daughter of a U.S. Air Force Vietnam War veteran and wife to a U.S. Air Force F-22 fighter pilot, Lisa is deeply committed to supporting the military and veteran community. She was the first Miss Nevada of Asian descent and is active in the nonprofit space, serving on the boards of the Young Presidents’ Organization (YPO) Las Vegas and the Nevada Policy Research Institute. She is passionate about mentorship, leadership, and empowering others to pursue entrepreneurship. Outside of work, Lisa enjoys spending time with her husband Josh, their son Gabriel, and their two corgis, Kimchi and Cupcake. More about her work and projects can be found at www.lisasongsutton.com. Disclosure: Legal Disclosure for the SARE Ladies Podcast. The following is an important legal disclosure regarding the content of our podcast: Entertainment Purposes Only: The content provided in all episodes of the SARE Ladies podcast, including discussions, opinions, interviews, and any other type of content, is intended solely for entertainment purposes. It should not be considered professional, financial, legal, or any other type of advice. No Professional Advice: The hosts, guests, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast are limited professional advisors. The content provided should not be relied upon for making any personal, financial, or business decisions. We strongly encourage our listeners to seek advice from qualified professionals before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. No Liability: The creators, hosts, and producers of the SARE Ladies podcast shall not be liable for any errors or omissions in the content provided, nor for any actions taken by any listener based on the information provided in the podcast. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. No Endorsement of Investments: While we may discuss a range of topics, including investments and financial strategies, such discussions are for illustrative and entertainment purposes only. The SARE Ladies podcast does not endorse or recommend any specific investments or financial products. Consult Professionals: We strongly advise our listeners to consult with a qualified professional for advice tailored to their personal circumstances before making any investment or financial decisions. By listening to the SARE Ladies podcast, you acknowledge and agree to this disclaimer and understand that the content provided is not intended to replace professional advice.

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SARE Ladies, or Subtle Asian Real Estate: Ladies seeks to address the successes and failures of the Real Estate and Diversity landscape. We are a community created by AAPI millennials working to educate, inspire, motivate, and empower immigrant communities to pursue investments and careers in Real Estate. We want to use our voices to combine powerful humans, comedic storytelling, and hard truths to make Real Estate something that we can ALL be a part of. We provide useful facts, relatable failures, and inappropriate banter to make it all fun and never boring.

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  • Creator
    Anita Wong + Ashley Cao
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    74
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Anita Wong + Ashley Cao
  • Show Website
    SARE Ladies

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