The Live Music Industry Podcast

Matt Ford

We greatly appreciate the opportunity to share the wealth of knowledge and wisdom coming from our incredible network of Promoters, Venues, Talent Agencies and Business Owners. Subscribe www.prism.fm/podcast/ More on Prism www.prism.fm Follow us on Instagram (@prismfm) www.instagram.com/prismfm Follow us on Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/company/prism-fm/ Podcast host: Matt Ford, CEO / Founder of Prism.fm https://www.linkedin.com/in/mford3/

  1. #41 - No-Contract Ticketing: Why Loyalty Should Be Earned, Not Enforced

    May 11

    #41 - No-Contract Ticketing: Why Loyalty Should Be Earned, Not Enforced

    In this episode, Matt Ford sits down with Justin Kantor, Founder of VenuePilot, to unpack a radically different approach to ticketing—one that challenges long-standing industry norms around contracts, fees, and control. They explore the hidden economics behind ticketing deals, from advances and per-ticket fees to the real cost venues carry over time. Along the way, they dig into why Justin built VenuePilot without contracts or venture capital, how collaboration (not competition) led to a Prism integration, and what it means to build technology that actually serves operators. The conversation also expands beyond ticketing into the future of live music itself—touching on AI, human connection, and why small, local venues may be more important than ever in the years ahead. Episode Timestamps: (01:13) Justin’s background + founding VenuePilot Justin shares his journey from professional cellist to running a New York venue, and how that experience led him to build VenuePilot in response to industry pain points. (03:04) The core problem with ticketing companies A candid look at how ticketing platforms gained outsized control over venues—and why Justin believes technology should serve operators, not the other way around. (07:17) No contracts, no lock-ins Justin explains the philosophy behind eliminating contracts, arguing that strong products—not restrictions—are what actually create long-term customer loyalty. (10:41) The hidden economics of ticketing deals A deep dive into advances, signing bonuses, and how “free money” from ticketing companies often comes with long-term financial tradeoffs for venues. (13:42) Why “cheap” ticketing isn’t actually cheap Breaking down per-ticket fees and how small differences compound over time, often costing venues far more than they realize. (20:27) All-in pricing and its impact on the industry How new pricing transparency is reshaping conversations between venues, promoters, artists, and fans—and what it reveals about true ticket value. (25:55) Why VenuePilot didn’t take VC funding Justin shares why venture capital doesn’t align with the realities of the live event industry, and how that decision shaped a more sustainable business model. (37:28) Why VenuePilot + Prism chose to collaborate What led two perceived competitors to integrate and work together—and why collaboration may be a better path forward for the industry. (50:12) The future of live music in an AI world A broader conversation on why human connection, intimacy, and live experiences will become even more valuable as technology advances. (01:00:36) Optimistic outlook for independent venues Justin paints a forward-looking vision of growth in mid-sized markets, stronger local scenes, and new opportunities for independent venues to thrive. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

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  2. #40 - From Clubs to Arenas: How Independent Promoters Are Scaling Smarter

    Apr 28

    #40 - From Clubs to Arenas: How Independent Promoters Are Scaling Smarter

    In this episode, Matt Ford sits down with Lucas Fritz and Jessica Gordon, co-owners and talent buyers for Broadberry Entertainment Group, to explore how independent promoters are scaling from clubs to theaters and even booking arena-level shows in a Live Nation–dominated landscape. They dig into how data and AI are reshaping the way they evaluate offers and compete, from using Prism Insights and Etix to making smarter, faster decisions. Along the way, they unpack the real economics behind today’s shows—VIP packages, bar revenue, merch splits—and what it takes to stay competitive while keeping the live experience human-centered. Episode Timestamps: (00:00) • Why Broadberry Presents Joined Insights Skepticism, what changed, and how it fits into daily offer-writing workflow. Why real-time data beats legacy tools — and why independents need it to compete with major promoters. (12:36) • AI + The Future of Booking Matt on combining AI with ticketing signals. Jessica’s custom “Artist Offer Researcher” GPT and how it works. (21:04) • Origin Story: Broadberry & Trigger System How Lucas and Jessica started separately and built their partnership. (33:09) • State of the Industry Down bar sales, too many shows, ticket-price pressure, and why return plays for mid-tier acts are struggling. (40:16) • Data, Merch & Ticketing Philosophy Merch split approach, fan data ownership, and why they moved to Etix. (52:25) • Moving from Spreadsheets to Prism Change management story: initial slowdown, then big time savings once offers, holds, and settlements lived in one place. (59:04) • AI, Automation & the Human Core of Concerts What AI should and shouldn’t replace — automating hold emails, entry-level career paths, and what makes live music worth preserving. (01:10:06) • Hopes for the Industry Better data sharing, less zero-sum thinking, pricing ethics, bots, and a fairer ecosystem for artists and fans.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    1h 16m
  3. #39 - Why Live Music Is Sacred: Community, Ghosts, and the Economics of Staying Independent

    Apr 15

    #39 - Why Live Music Is Sacred: Community, Ghosts, and the Economics of Staying Independent

    In this episode, Matt sits down with Jesse Lauter, Head of Production & Media at Dayglo Presents, the team behind iconic venues like Brooklyn Bowl and The Capitol Theatre, to talk about launching new spaces in a challenging economic climate and why live music is still one of the most human experiences we have. From transforming historic buildings like Stable Hall into world-class venues, to navigating shifting consumer behavior and industry headwinds, Jesse shares a deeply grounded perspective on what it means to create spaces for connection, culture, and community. Episode Timestamps: (02:00) · What Is Stable Hall? Origins & The PearlJesse explains how Dayglo got involved with Stable Hall, introduces Peter Shapiro and Dayglo’s ecosystem, and describes the Pearl District’s brewery history and redevelopment.(10:40) · Why Build Venues Now? Mission Over MoneyDiscussion of economic headwinds, why Dayglo is still opening and partnering on new rooms, and Jesse’s view of live music as sacred, community‑building, and rooted in the Grateful Dead/Jerry Garcia ethos.(19:20) · Cracking the Texas Market: Strategy & TeamHow Dayglo is approaching Texas: working with Jason Adams/Outback, bringing in Hannah Gold (Newport Folk/Jazz, Luck Reunion), Stable’s independent status, and co‑promoter relationships.(24:40) · Tech Stack Shout‑Out: Using Prism & InsightsJesse on why calendar visibility and clean UI matter when running multiple rooms, how Prism is used internally, and how Insights’ real‑time ticketing/financial dashboards drive marketing and booking decisions.(30:40) · From Production to Dayglo & The P***y Riot SessionsTransition into his role as Dayglo’s Head of Production, long‑term connection to Shapiro’s world, and the story of recording two unreleased P***y Riot tracks with Lenny K (Patti Smith Group) and keeping a custom mask.(37:25) · Economy, Sober Trends & F&B ShiftsJesse’s energetic read on the economy, pressures on fans, declining alcohol sales, rise of sobriety, and experimenting with non‑alcoholic options and THC beverages across Dayglo venues.(40:40) · AI, Jobs & Why Live Music Is “Safe”Big‑picture talk on AI’s impact on white‑collar work, fears around AI‑generated music, and why Jesse believes live human performance and venues are among the few things that can’t be automated away.(42:30) · Spiritual Stakes of Live Music & The Mind of Peter ShapiroJesse and Matt frame live music as spiritual work, not just business; they connect it to broader societal well‑being and describe Dayglo as essentially “the mind of Peter Shapiro” made physical. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    45 min
  4. #38 - Should Promoters Share Ticket Buyer Data? with Matt Washburn (Atlas Touring)

    Apr 1

    #38 - Should Promoters Share Ticket Buyer Data? with Matt Washburn (Atlas Touring)

    The live music industry runs on ticket sales but fights over who owns the data behind them. Matt Washburn of Atlas Touring joins us to debate the case for and against sharing ticket buyer data — who benefits, who's afraid of it, and what the industry loses by keeping it siloed. I've had this debate a hundred times, but I'd never heard Matt's take before — and it was surprisingly insightful. For an agent, he's remarkably considerate of the promoter perspective, and it made for one of the more honest conversations I've had on the topic. We also go way beyond the data debate and get into Prism's Insights product, how AI could reshape booking and routing, the shift in fan buying behavior, how Atlas rebuilt their workflow, and a bigger picture look at where the live music industry is headed and what it takes to survive in it. Episode Timestamps: (01:10) Why Fan Data Matters (and Why the Industry Resists It) The value of ticket buyer data, the fear around sharing it, and how better data-sharing grows artists and cuts marketing costs.(09:55) Deals, Leverage, and the Reality of Booking Decisions Door deals vs guarantees, venue leverage, email marketing ROI, and whether sharing data really changes where artists play.(16:30) How Real Data Changes Booking (and Prevents Bad Deals) Introduction to Insights, using box office data for better valuation, a story of buying a show on bad data, and the shared responsibility between artists and promoters.(27:01) What AI Could Actually Do for Booking and Routing Predicting ticket sales, modeling fan behavior, and matching artists with the right markets.(34:01) How Ticketing and Fan Behavior Have Changed Walk-up culture to social ads, and how buying behavior has shifted over time.(38:00) From Booking Shows to Building Better Systems Matt's background, building Atlas, adopting Prism, and the push toward eliminating double entry and industry silos.(47:05) The Future of Live Music Long-term industry outlook, surviving headwinds, and building sustainable careers and venues. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    49 min
  5. #37 - The Live Nation Trial Isn’t Over: Inside the States’ Revolt

    Mar 18

    #37 - The Live Nation Trial Isn’t Over: Inside the States’ Revolt

    This one’s a big deal. The Live Nation/Ticketmaster antitrust case is one of the most consequential battles in live music right now, and it’s far more complicated than the headlines suggest. In this episode, Matt Ford sits down with Randy Nichols to break down what’s actually happening, from the DOJ settlement that didn’t end the case to the political and structural forces shaping what comes next.   If you care about the future of live music, this is essential listening. As mentioned in the episode, Michael Rapino is testifying on Thursday, and Inner City Press is an amazing resource to stay in the loop as things continue to unfold. Check them out here: https://x.com/innercitypress Episode Timestamps: (0:00) | The Case Isn't Over The DOJ settled, but the multi-state case continues. This is a bipartisan issue with Tennessee as a key case study. (4:30) | What the Case Is Really About It's not just about breaking up Live Nation — a breakup alone might not fix structural issues. You could end up with local monopolies, and the secondary market drives a lot of the pricing problem. (10:00) | PR Spin, Pardons & Political Pressure Live Nation is aggressively shaping the narrative, including a since-deleted blog post signaling fear about a breakup. Tim Leiwicke's pardon adds another political layer. (16:00) | Antitrust Leadership & Why This Differs from Big Tech The DOJ antitrust division had a leadership shake-up with Gail Slater and Roger Alford's firing. Unlike Big Tech cases, breaking up Live Nation could redirect revenue back into local economies. (22:00) | Unintended Consequences, AEG & How States Saved the Case Regional spinoffs could still squeeze indie venues. Live Nation is trying to frame AEG as equally dominant. The states kept the case alive by hiring a top litigator days before trial. (33:00) | Trial Mechanics, Trump & Ticket Pricing The trial runs weeks with major witnesses, and appeals could drag on for years. Trump seems more interested in a "win" than structural reform. Biden's all-in pricing rules are a separate thread. (42:00) | The Slack Messages Bombshell & the Scalper Fight Leaked internal Slack messages from Live Nation/Ticketmaster employees were a massive moment — staff openly calling fans "stupid" and celebrating how much money they could extract through ancillary fees. (54:00) | What's Next Rapino's testimony is a key upcoming moment. The likely outcome is modest remedies, fines, and long appeals — no single fix. (1:03:00) | Reforms, Indie Venues & Closing Randy wants more protection for indies and real ticketing innovation. The death of local radio under Clear Channel is a warning — live music could follow the same path. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    1h 30m
  6. #36 – David vs. Goliath: The Promoter Who Went to Washington

    Mar 11

    #36 – David vs. Goliath: The Promoter Who Went to Washington

    In this episode, Matt Ford sits down with David Weingarden, Vice President of Concerts + Events at Z2 Entertainment, independent promoter, and chair of the Colorado Independent Venue Association, to unpack what it’s really like fighting on the front lines of ticketing reform. From testifying before the U.S. Senate to experimenting with new tech stacks, David breaks down how independents can survive (and win) in a landscape dominated by monopolies and scalpers. Episode Time Stamps: (00:00) • Why This Conversation Matters (02:11) • Colorado Ticketing Bill & LobbyistsDavid’s work on a Colorado bill modeled on Maine’s, the governor’s veto, and the lobbying imbalance: 4 on their side vs. 75 for the scalpers/secondary market. (06:36) • Getting Pulled Into DCHow David’s relationships with Colorado senators and NIVA led to a last‑minute invite to testify at the Senate Commerce Committee. (08:50) • Inside the Senate HearingWho was in the room (Kid Rock, Live Nation, Ticket Policy Forum, senators), what written vs. spoken testimony looks like, and where most questions landed. (11:26) • Kid Rock, All‑In Pricing & Artist ControlHow Kid Rock helped push all‑in pricing into law, and why his focus now is artists having control over how tickets are priced and resold. (13:40) • Secondary Markets: Guardrails, Not a BanDavid/NIVA’s stance: resale is fine, but the “wild west” isn’t. Bots, unenforced laws, spec tickets, deceptive sites, and why fixing this at scale is hard. (16:06) • Bot Farms, Chargebacks & Who Eats the LossHow bot operations grab huge blocks of tickets, fail to move them, then charge back—leaving promoters on the hook for show costs with no clear path to recover. (21:16) • State vs Federal FixesWhy David sees more progress at the state level (Maine, Maryland, others) than in DC, and how scalper‑friendly bills keep popping up in statehouses. (25:01) • StubHub, “Just a Marketplace” & Open DistributionPushback on the “we’re only a platform” line, the Aspen Live panel where StubHub took the heat, and the pros/cons of venues listing primary tickets on StubHub to undercut scalpers. (40:02) • Live Nation / Ticketmaster Monopoly TalkInitial reactions to the antitrust case update, David’s view that Live Nation is a monopoly with deep vertical control, and how Ticketmaster’s resale floors trap fans. (46:02) • Z2’s Tech Stack & PrismWhy Z2 moved to Tixr from AXS, how Prism replaced scattered spreadsheets and calendars, and why open integrations (Tixr, ticketing, POS, Hive, etc.) matter so much to how they work. (56:55) • Prism Insights, Spotify Data & AIWhy Z2 decided to share their data into Insights, how David actually uses it (recent years, similar markets, sanity checks), and early moves into Spotify local‑listener data and AI‑driven prediction tools. (01:15:28) • The Bull Case for IndependentsOrganizing at every level: local (night mayors), state (SIVA), national (NIVA). Why showing up in policy conversations matters for a real seat at the table—and why David is still bullish on live music demand in a digital age. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    1h 24m
  7. #35 - Laylo’s “Drops” Playbook: Turning Social Hype into Ticket & Merch Sales

    Feb 25

    #35 - Laylo’s “Drops” Playbook: Turning Social Hype into Ticket & Merch Sales

    In this episode of The Live Music Industry Podcast, Matt Ford sits down with Alec Ellin, Co-Founder & CEO of Laylo, for a candid conversation about fan capture, “drops,” and the marketing flywheel powering modern ticket, merch, and content launches. From Laylo’s early pivots through Y Combinator to its breakout product-market fit during the pandemic, they unpack how artists, venues, and festivals are turning social hype into first-party audiences and what that enables next.   In this episode, they cover: Laylo 101 — a music-first CRM + messaging platform built to capture fans and drive them to tickets, merch, and content The origin story — from Dark Chart & Silo to YC, a painful pivot, and finding the winning “drops” model in 2021 What a “drop” really does — productizing FOMO to convert attention into signups before the on-sale moment Scale by the numbers — 60M+ fans reached, 200K drops in a year, and tens of thousands of platform users Multi-channel messaging — SMS, email, Instagram, and WhatsApp, plus high-performing IG DM capture flows Why venues and festivals are adopting Laylo — high-conversion drop pages, list growth without requiring a ticket purchase, and demand-driving campaigns First-party data, done right — why Laylo won’t share PII, and how “collabs” let artists + promoters build lists compliantly Smarter segmentation — targeting likely ticket and merch buyers to improve cost, deliverability, and fan experience AI inside the product — multi-drop builders, “magic templates,” and the roadmap to put CRM workflows on autopilot ⭐️ Get 50,000 free message credits through Laylo right now when you use code LAYLO26: https://laylo.com/refer?ref=prism&utm_source=prism Episode Timestamps: (0:00) — What Laylo Is & Who It’s For A CRM and messaging platform built around “drops” — announce something, collect fans, then message them when it goes live. Supports SMS, email, Instagram, and WhatsApp, with a free tier available. (7:24) — How Alec & Saj Ended Up Building Laylo Alec came from music blogging and Epic Records, while Saj built a competing analytics app. They met, merged ideas, sold a fan analytics tool to The Orchard, went through Y Combinator, then pivoted when growth stalled. (24:01) — The Birth of “Drops” COVID shut down touring. A simple “text me when this drops” experiment on Saj’s own music clicked instantly. Artists were already teasing releases — Laylo made capturing and re-engaging those fans automatic. Early wins with ODESZA and Dillon Francis validated the idea. (40:03) — Adding Venues & Festivals Same product, new use case — venues collect signups before onsales and message fans when tickets go live. Laylo built “Collabs” for shared pages with explicit opt-in for both lists. The Midway sees ~55–60% conversion on ad traffic vs ~10% on typical pages. (52:09) — Team, Fundraising & AI Inside Laylo 24-person distributed team. ~$8.5M raised, with the last round over three years ago. AI features include Multi-Drop Builder (paste tour dates, auto-build pages), Magic Templates (auto-design emails), and Suggested Segments (surface likely buyers). (1:05:14) — AI, Coding & Why Live Still Wins AI accelerates development but doesn’t replace great engineers. Alec expects AI to flood music with generic tracks — increasing demand for real live experiences. Laylo’s core bet: own your audience, automate the busywork, and drive fans to shows. Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

    1h 17m
  8. #34 - Inside Etix: 100 Million Tickets, Secondary Markets, All-In Pricing & AI

    Feb 12

    #34 - Inside Etix: 100 Million Tickets, Secondary Markets, All-In Pricing & AI

    In this episode of The Live Music Industry Podcast, Matt Ford sits down with Chris Battaglino (Chief Product Officer at Etix) and Michael Reklis (Director of Sales, Music Venues at Etix) for a candid conversation about ticketing at scale. From clubs to arenas to international markets, they unpack what it takes to serve thousands of venues while navigating resale, dynamic pricing, AI, and the broader economic shifts impacting live events. Episode Timestamps: (2:26) - Deep Dive into Etix’s Global Ticketing Empire(5:17) - Client Mix & Always-On Seasonality(7:06) - Cross-Vertical Product Strategy(10:11) - Etix Marketing Agency (Rockhouse Partners)(19:41) - Why Etix Built a POS System (Octave)(29:57) - Seat Relay: Etix’s Integrated Secondary(32:30) - Philosophy on Secondary & Distributed Commerce(38:17) - Ethics, Fans & the Secondary Market Mess(40:30) - All-In Ticket Pricing: What Changes? (48:18) - Regulation, NIVA & Fix the Tix (54:16) - AI deep Dive(56:40) - Brainstorming an AI-first ticketing UX(59:04) - Security, Bots & Fraud in an AI World(1:01:32) - What’s Etix’s Role in an Agent-Driven Future? (1:02:43) - Prism Insights + Etix: Data as a Shared Asset(1:03:35) - Closing Thoughts, Partnership & Hopes for 2026 Please share this with anyone that might be interested in the topics, links below to subscribe and stay in the loop with the podcast and Prism: Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ More on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Prism⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on Instagram (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@prismfm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Follow us on LinkedIn (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Meet the Podcast Host/CEO of Prism -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Ford⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Opening Music -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Banana Bread - Layton.rx⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (Prism engineer!)

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