Former Chief of Staff Wayne Eagleson on the machinery of government, being a political staffer and what makes a great PM

In this episode, we're joined by former Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, Wayne Eagleson, for a behind-the-scenes look at how government really works.

We get into his career at the centre of power, what separates good PMs from great ones, and the real role political staffers play (beyond the headlines). Wayne shares how decisions get made under pressure, what loyalty and judgment look like in practice, and why the “machinery of government” is more complex — and more human — than most people think.

If you’re interested in politics, leadership, or how influence actually works behind closed doors, this one’s worth your time.

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