What Matters Most

John W. Martens

What Matters Most is focused on listening to people and what is on their minds, particularly dealing with the big questions of religion and spirituality. It emerges from the Centre for Christian Engagement, a Centre at St. Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC, but our programming is intended for all interested parties, Catholic or not. In the What Matters Most podcast, we talk to people, some well-known, some not so well-known, some Catholic, some Christian, some not affiliated with any religion, some affiliated with other faiths (Muslims, Sikhs) to find out what matters to them. It is a podcast focused on spirituality and faith, but truly focused on listening to others, to learning from those connected to the Church and to those who are not. It is grounded in personal conversations that ask guests to talk about what has motivated their vocations or their work and what gives their lives meaning and purpose. The format can best be described as a conversation that allows us to get to know our guests.

  1. 6d ago

    Meditating on Hinduism and Catholicism: A Conversation with Dr. Ted Ulrich

    I absolutely loved speaking with Ted. I learned a lot about Ted himself, which I did not know regarding his Hindu practice and the young age at which he took it up. It was wonderful to hear about his deep devotion to his Christian faith and the Hindu meditation he will practice in his words until the day I die. He represents the best of the openness of Catholicism to other religious traditions, as his openness to these traditions is grounded in his personal openness and acceptance. This started with his meeting of Dr. Usharbudh Arya at the Meditation Center of Minneapolis, which is still operating. This led to his continued practice but also his academic study of Hinduism and comparative theology at St. John's University and the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. I mentioned in passing the beautiful architecture at St. John's University; the chapel at St. John's and it architect Marcel Breuer were the inspiration for the film The Brutalist. If you get a chance, you should see it!  Completed in 1961 and designed by modernist architect Marcel Breuer, the chapel has a 100-foot concrete bell tower, parabolic arches, and massive hexagonal stained-glass walls. If you cannot get there, check it out online. I appreciated how Ted wrestled with his meditation practice when he began to study theology formally and found that through documents such as Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate, the Church's openness to other traditions had expanded. This has only increased over the decades since and I encourage people of all faith traditions to read the new document "A Journey of Hope: Sixty Years of Interreligious Dialogue and Fraternity in the Light of the Conciliar Declaration Nostra Aetate" on September 16, 2026. I have mentioned it before but it might demand its own episode. Ted mentioned pluralism, inclusivism, and exclusivism as stances that are discussed in the Christian understanding of relationships to other world religions. If you want even more background on these terms, please check out the first episode of season two on What Matters Most with the Rev. Dr. Rob James: Incarnation, Soteriology, Exclusivity/Inclusivity, Pluralism, Particularism, and Universalism: A Conversation with Rev. Dr. Rob James . And please check out the names of other scholars who do this work, such as Paul Knitter, Fr. Francis X, Clooney, SJ, and James Fredericks, all mentioned by Ted and all who do comparative theology. Ted also mentioned Mircea Eliade, a Romanian scholar who spent much of his career at U of Chicago. Eliade did comparative religion and has been criticized for presentations of religion in terms of essentialism and perennialism, but he was a giant in an emerging field and still worth reading. Finally, Ted mentioned the person about whom he wrote his doctoral dissertation, Henri Le Saux, a Roman Catholic priest, who later took the name Abhishiktananda. If you are interested in this work, do find some of the writings and the thinkers referred to here, including Ted's writings. If you are having trouble tracking them down, please do contact me. And think about taking the course at St. Mark's College with me, Catholicism and Interreligious Dialogue where we dig into work like this for the whole course. Welcome to What Matters Most, episode 7 of our fifth season. You were just listening to Dr. Ted Ulrich, a professor in the theology department at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota. In this episode I speak with Ted Ulrich about Hinduism and Catholicism and how they both form a part not just of his academic life, but his spiritual life and practice.    This is the first episode on What Matters Most to discuss Hinduism, which surprised even me! I found this an episode filled with warmth and honesty from Ted, something which is central to him as a person.  Ted adopted our cat Francesca when we moved away from Minnesota back to Canada as Francesca could not accept the adoption of our new dog Emerald into the house. Francesca cared for our old German Shepherd Hunter and she mourned Hunter's death, searching for him for weeks, and bemoaned Emerald, hiding for over a month when she came to live with us, coming out only when Emerald was crated for bed. Ted came over to our home over a period of time and let Francesca get to know him before he adopted her. I think you will hear that same sort of sensitivity in this episode as Ted talks about his Hindu meditation practice that he took up as a boy and the Catholicism that is his central spiritual and religious practice and belief. And Emerald was with me as I recorded and Francesca was with ted as he recorded.  Dr. Ted Ulrich received his bachelor's degree from the University of Minnesota in chemistry, his master's from St. John's University in theology, and his doctorate from The Catholic University of America in comparative religion. He teaches courses in world religions, Hinduism and Buddhism, and Christian theology. In addition, he has led numerous study-abroad trips. Four of them were to India. These involved homestays in villages and focused on the Hindu, Muslim, and Syriac Christian religions. His writing and research have focused on interreligious dialogue in general and Swami Abhishiktananda in particular. Abhishiktananda (Henri Le Saux) was a Catholic priest and Benedictine monk who, while retaining his identity as a priest and monk, became involved in Hindu monasticism. More recently, Ulrich spent the 2017-2018 academic year in India on a Fulbright Fellowship. His ongoing project is comparing and contrasting the development of the respective views of Aurobindo Ghose and Mahatma Gandhi on violence and nonviolence. A decade before Gandhi's national leadership in India, Aurobindo had been a main leader in India's freedom struggle. Whereas Gandhi had a strict emphasis on nonviolence, Aurobindo thought that the most effective method should be used. In some circumstances that might be passive resistance and in other circumstances violence. Later, he became known across the world as a mystic and spiritual master. Ulrich has published in a variety of venues, including the International Journal of Hindu Studies, the Journal of Dharma Studies, the Journal of Hindu-Christian Studies, and The Journal of Interreligious Studies. On this episode we discussed his articles "The Catholic Church and the Non-Christian World: Teaching Lumen Gentium §16 and Nostra Aetate" and "Catholic Theology, Comparative Study, and A Practice Of Hindu Meditation."  Also, he has given talks at Annamalai University, Pondicherry University, Madras University, Madurai Kamaraj University, Jadavpur University, Gandhigram Rural Institute, and the University of Mauritius. This podcast emerges from the Centre for Christian Engagement at St Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC, a centre that explores the Christian and Catholic intellectual tradition and seek to learn from others, other Christians, other religious traditions, and those who do not claim any particular or formal religious affiliation.  Upcoming Podcast Episodes and Events Let us know what you want to discuss next on Pop Culture Matters. Follow us at our Instagram page @stmarkscce or our new Facebook page Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's, and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca What Matters Most: Conversations About Religion has started its fifth year. Coming soon, an episode featuring the Rev. Dr. Rob James from his new home in England on 50 OT Stories for children, and Danny Zacharias and Chris Hoklotubbe on their book Reading the Bible on Turtle Island: An Invitation to North American Indigenous Interpretation, as well as an episode on purgatory (or two) Upcoming events:  Our next event is with Bill Cavanaugh on November 16, part of the Christian nationalism series leading up to our Cross Purposes: Christianity and Nationalism conference. His lecture is called Idolatry and the Eucharist and you can now sign up for the lecture on Eventbrite for in person or live streaming. Please check it out. After Bill's event, we will be having a panel on housing affordability on December 5 and then on Jan 13, 2027, Dr. Fred Aquino on John Henry Newman on Faith and Reason. Fred was a coauthor, with Logan Gage, of the positio on Newman's philosophy of faith and reason that was part of the effort to declare St. John Henry Newman a Doctor of the Universal Church at a Mass in St. Peter's Basilica on November 1, 2025. Thanks again for listening and remember what matters most!  John W. Martens

  2. 6d ago ·  Bonus

    You Might Enjoy: On Purpose with Jay Shetty

    Introducing Vinh Giang: How to Communicate So People Actually Listen to You from On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Follow the show: On Purpose with Jay Shetty Communication expert Vinh Giang joins Jay to share practical tools from his first book, Before We Forget How to Connect, to help you become a more confident communicator and build deeper, more meaningful connections. Vinh explains how to become a better listener, avoid common communication mistakes, and speak so people actually pay attention. From sounding confident when you're nervous to speaking up in meetings, navigating difficult conversations, and making a great first impression, Vinh shares simple techniques to help you communicate more effectively and connect with people in every area of your life. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Instagram Teen Accounts: Built-in protections for teens. JAY'S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Introduction 00:25 Before We Forget How To Connect 01:52 The High-Low Buffalo Icebreaker 02:45 Sharing Personal Highs 05:15 Sharing Personal Lows 11:40 Sharing Personal Buffalos 13:40 Escaping Small Talk 16:10 Overcoming Self-Judgment 17:58 Sharing Wins Without Sounding Arrogant 19:50 Communication Beyond The Script 20:40 Gen Z's Communication Struggles 23:20 Last Word, Last Letter Game 27:20 The Four Modalities Of Listening 29:50 The Three Follow-Up Questions Rule 35:50 How Do You Make A Great First Impression? 40:10 Reading the Room, Not Formulas 44:10 Finding Your Unique Voice 49:00 Life As A Book: New Chapters 50:40 Building Executive Presence 53:20 Fix Your Resting Blank Face 58:30 Filming Yourself For Self-Awareness 01:02:20 When Your Mind Goes Blank 01:06:10 The Power Of The Pause 01:09:30 How Can You Sound Confident When You’re Nervous? 01:14:40 From Texting Chemistry to Real-Life Connection 01:18:40 How to Communicate Better During Arguments 01:20:20 Learning to Speak Up In Meetings 01:25:45 How to Join a Conversation Without Feeling Awkward 01:28:20 Leaving A Conversation Gracefully 01:31:4 Embracing Vulnerability Episode Resources: Book | https://vinhgiang.com/before-we-forget-how-to-connect Website | https://vinhgiang.com/ YouTube | https://youtube.com/@askvinh Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/share/1CCPX1ChrP/?mibextid=wwXIfr LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/vinhgiang Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices DISCLAIMER: Please note, this is an independent podcast episode not affiliated with, endorsed by, or produced in conjunction with the host podcast feed or any of its media entities. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the creators and guests. For any concerns, please reach out to team@podroll.fm.

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  3. Oct 21 ·  Bonus

    Encore: Pop Culture Matters: Halloween, All Saints Day, All Souls Day, and Samhain

    Welcome to the encore edition for 2026, the sixth episode of Pop Culture Matters, the sixth episode of season four, and the sixth episode of season five, first released in 2025! In today's episode I discuss Halloween, All Saints Day, All Souls Day, and Samhain (sow-in) too. Growing up, I was clear what Halloween was: a night to get candy and dress up. Halloween is All Hallows Eve, hallows referring to Saints, that is, Halloween was the day before All Saints Day on Nov. 1, and two days prior to All Souls Day on Nov. 2. These links seem strangely tenuous now. Halloween stands on its own. But then I also heard later that Halloween emerged from or was adopted from Samhain (sow-in), an ancient pagan Celtic festival that was celebrated on November 1 in Ireland and Scotland and preceded the arrival of Christianity. These connections, touted both by modern Wiccans and pagans and bemoaned by fundamentalist Christians, have led some Christians not to celebrate Halloween due to pagan or satanic connections. Fang Fang tells me Christians in Indonesia are encouraged not to celebrate the festival. Since I am no expert on Halloween, but do see its ubiquity all around me, I wanted to understand how we got from a Church festival that focused on purgatory, to a modern celebration of wirches, goblins, spooky movies, and a lot of candy. I relied specifically on an excellent book from 2003 by Nicholas Rogers, a historian now retired from York University. The book is Halloween: From Pagan Ritual to Party Night (Oxford University Press, 2003), and one its best features is that history and practices from both Canada and the USA are discussed.   I have to say that one thing that I did not get into, as I think it needs its own episode, is Dia De Los Muertas (Day of the Dead). This festival, which is celebrated in Mexico and parts of the USA,  traditionally is celebrated on November 1 and 2, though other days, such as October 31, are often included. Day of the Dead in some ways preserves more of the medieval traditions surrounding  All Hallows Eve than Halloween does. Nicholas Rogers covers it in depth, but not only does it need its own episode, I think it could benefit from a conversation with someone who knows the lived experience of Dia De Los Muertas. Next year! This podcast emerges from the Centre for Christian Engagement at St Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC, a centre that explores the Christian and Catholic intellectual tradition and seek to learn from others, other Christians, other religious traditions, and those who do not claim any particular or formal religious affiliation.  Upcoming Podcast Episodes and Events And now some news on upcoming podcast episodes: Let us know what you want to discuss next on Pop Culture Matters. Follow us at our Instagram page @stmarkscce or our new Facebook page Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's, and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca What Matters Most: Conversations About Religion has started its fifth year. Coming soon, an episode on Hinduism and Catholicism featuring Dr. Ted Ulrich, the Rev. Dr. Rob James from his new home in England on 50 OT Stories for children, and Danny Zacharias and Chris Hoklotubbe on their book  Reading the Bible on Turtle Island: An Invitation to North American Indigenous Interpretation. Upcoming events:  Our next event is with Bill Cavanaugh on November 16, part of the Christian nationalism series leading up to our Cross Purposes: Christianity and Nationalism conference. His lecture is called Idolatry and the Eucharist and you can now sign up for the lecture on Eventbrite for in person or live streaming. Please check it out. Thanks again for listening and remember pop culture matters.  John W. Martens Intro music for this podcast from #Uppbeat (free for Creators!): https://uppbeat.io/t/simon-folwar/ancient-caves License code: WGRTZGRDSALHU07U

  4. Oct 13

    "That Culture of Encounter is truly an eschatological moment": A Conversation with Dr. Jane Barter on Magnifica Humanitas & AI

    Welcome to What Matters Most, episode 5 of our fifth season. You were just listening to Dr. Jane Barter, a professor in the University of Winnipeg Religion and Culture department and Joint Masters Program Chair. I'm Dr. John Martens, the host of What Matters Most and Director for the Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's College at UBC in Vancouver. In this episode I speak with Jane Barter about Pope Leo's first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas.  This is the fourth episode on What Matters Most to discuss the encyclical and like our previous episodes, new ground was broken in my understanding of the encyclical during this conversation. I walked through the encyclical on my own a few months ago, and then I spoke to two ethicists, Drs. Tisha Rajendra and Ruben Rosario Rodreiguez, on AI, migration, war, and whatever else came up for them in their readings. The third episode dedicated to Magnifica Humanitas featured St. Mark's theology faculty and our conversation focused a lot on the anthropology of the document, the role of education, about AI and with AI, the problem of deep fakes and how that impacts especially women and children, and how one builds a civilization of love, grounded in truth and humanity, in contrast to the forces that desire power, the technocratic paradigm, and increasing calls for warfare. This episode with Jane Barter focused a lot on the human cost of AI, something I toyed with as a title for this episode, and the way the inherent dignity of human beings is constantly under threat by the structures of sin, now found in AI, which is manifested in violence against people militarily, such as in Gaza, and in the violence of work in which people are increasingly seen as things to be monetized and surveyed. This is a powerful episode. Dr. Jane Barter's (she/her) research interests include political theology, contemporary, Christian thought, theopolitics, religion, and memory. Barter's research bridges the fields of Christian theology, political theology, decolonial, and feminist thought. Her work engages Christian thought and history with contemporary ethical and political questions, with particular attention to the context of colonialism. She has published three monographs, including her a recent book on witnessing to political atrocity, Theopolitics and the Era of the Witness (Routledge. 2025). She recently co-edited (with Doris Kieser, St. Joseph's College, University of Alberta) a special volume of the Journal of Moral Theology on the papal visit and apology to survivors of Residential Schools in Canada. She is also general editor of the forthcoming (2026) multi-volume T & T Clark Encyclopedia of Christian Theology (Bloomsbury Press). She is currently working on a new book, The Pope's Two Cities: Babel and Jerusalem in the Time of Artificial Intelligence. The word I was struggling to find to describe my conversation with Jane was "generative." I used the word productive, but that sounds too much like the work of a factory and I was aiming for something more creative. Generative was the word. Jane delved into aspects of the document that I had not seen with as much clarity as she brought, including Christian theologies of labour and whether Catholic theology is too optimistic about the rights of labour being respected in the time of AI and digital capitalism. She spoke clearly about the alienating and corrosive impacts of technocratic capitalism and the forms of enslavement taking place under technocratic capitalism. But she also noted that Pope Leo in his recognition of this is doing something new, that the role of work is a central element of his papacy and that Leo is acknowledging that the treatment of labour under digital capitalism is foundationally abusive and that AI perpetuates a value system of some people being considered more valuable than others. But Leo is pushing back against that, not the first pope to do so for certain, but also interpreting CST as grounded in a preferential option for the poor. AI supports violence, against the environment and against people. There are also military victims of AI, as Jane described the use of it in Gaza and being"chillingly discriminate in how it kills human beings." She said, "we don't see the victims of AI…the human and environmental exploitation." Human labour, that is, human beings, becomes another thing to be optimized. She also spoke about the encyclical falling short, even though she had praise for much of it, and it was on the issue of speaking too abstractly about human dignity and not concretely enough about the politics necessary to overcome AI, the technocratic paradigm, and the violence it is unleashing. It remains she said too idealized, too focused on the heavenly Jerusalem, not enough on the Jerusalem here on earth. To focus too much on ideal humanity, even too much the idealization of  Mary, shifts our gaze from the human cost of war in Gaza, of the Mary of Gaza, the many Marys of Gaza. The culture of encounter she said is eschatological; yes, we hope for a life in the world to come, but this does not allow us to abdicate our responsibility to life here on earth and to make that life better for all. Yes, the inherent dignity of human beings is always, has always been, under threat by the structures of sin, but there is something new that has been unleashed by AI. Jane spoke of us being on the precipice of something new that cannot necessarily be answered by the old answers of CST, that something new might have to be created. This is our work, our human work, and it is a threat but also a challenge that we can answer. People have power. A few links regarding documents and people that were mentioned in this episode.  Sura 19 Maryam; Mary of Gaza; Francesca Albanese, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. What Matters Most is produced by the Centre for Christian Engagement at St Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC. The CCE is a centre at St. Mark's College that explores the Christian and Catholic intellectual tradition and seek to learn from others, other Christians, members of other religious traditions, and from those who do not claim any particular or formal religious affiliation.  This is a podcast about big questions, about big issues, about what matters most to people, what's important to you, what gets you up out of bed in the morning or keeps you up late at night wondering. We are looking at these big questions and big issues through the lens of individual stories and individual lives. Religious traditions and institutions might be systems, ancient and modern, but people are people and religion lives in and through people. Our goal, then, is to talk to a lot of people, to learn from them, to listen to them, and to find out what motivates them, what gives them hope, what gives them peace, and what allows them to go out into the world to love their neighbors. And how they like to worship. Since St. Mark's Centre for Christian Engagement seeks to enable the creation of a culture of encounter and dialogue, let me invite you into that discussion. Send me questions, send me ideas for guests, send me comments. Let us know what you want to discuss next on the Podcast in general or on Pop Culture Matters. Follow us at our Instagram page @stmarkscce or our new Facebook page Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's, and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca A few thanks are in order. First of all, I am grateful to Martin Strong, who guides me in the podcasting world and joins me for the Pop Culture Matters regularly.  Second, the episodes are edited, engineered, and produced by Kevin Eng who is the first listener to all the episodes and my consultant for each episode, especially with the snippets that begin each episode. Thank you, Kevin, for all of your expertise and support. Finally, to the Fang Fang Chandra, the CCE assistant, who helps me bring this podcast to you, but also makes the CCE run so much more smoothly. I also want to thank our donors to the Centre, whose generosity enables this work to take place at all: Peter Bull, Angus Reid, and Andy Szocs. We are thankful to their commitment to the life of the academic world and of the work of the Church in the world by funding the work of the CCE. I am also thankful to the Cullen family, Mark and Barbara, for their support of the ongoing work of the CCE through financial donations that allow us to bring speakers to the local and international arenas. If you are interested in donating yourself to the CCE, please check out the CCE website where you can find the donate button on the top right corner. We are a non-profit organization, and all donations over $20.00 are tax deductible. Or support us on Patreon. If you do not know what Patreon is, ask your children or your grandchildren! If you are enjoying the podcast, please let your friends know. And also let people know by rating and reviewing What Matters Most on your favourite podcasting platform. It really makes a difference! Thanks again for listening and remember what matters most.  This work matters, so thanks for being a part of it. Dr. John W. Martens

  5. Oct 7 ·  Bonus

    What Matters Most 5th Anniversary Podcast!

    5th Year Anniversary! Welcome to What Matters Most! I'm Dr. John Martens, the host of What Matters Most and Director for the Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's College at UBC. Do you know I have been saying that for 5 years now? On October 7, 2022, we released the first episode of What Matters Most with my friend and once upon a time colleague at America Media, Fr. Jim Martin. We have been doing this for 5 years because people have been listening for 5 years! Thank you so much for listening, whether you started with episode 1, 10, 40, or 106, our last episode. Or somewhere in between. I appreciate you joining me on this journey. It is a shared journey! In the spirit of sharing, I acknowledge that the land on which I record this podcast is the shared, traditional, ancestral, and unceded territories of the Tsawwassen people, where I and my family live. St. Mark's and Corpus Christi Colleges are on the unsurrendered, traditional, and ancestral territory of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam). The Land we are on is known as ?əlqsən ("Ulksun," or Point Grey); it is a promontory claimed by the British as a Colonial Admiralty reserve in the mid-nineteenth century and occupied by the University of British Columbia since 1914. This land has been a site of learning for many generations before the Colleges stood here, and we recognize our obligations as teachers, researchers, and scholars in ensuring that our classrooms and our work uphold the best of that longstanding learning context now and into the future. In acknowledging Musqueam territory, we recognize that acknowledgment is an active dedication to more just, more accountable relations. More just relations in many ways is at the heart of this podcast and its ethos, more just relations with our neighbours of all religious backgrounds, or none. We have had guests who represent many, though not all religious traditions by any means. Many guests have been Catholic, which makes sense at a Catholic college and centre, but many have been Christians of other sorts, and Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, and people who explore religion as scholars, but have no particular religious tradition, or people who study religions other than the ones they profess. I love it. I love talking to people about what they think and believe, what they study, their ideas, their hopes, their practices, their beliefs. In another podcast, I mentioned the great Catholic theologians Bernard Lonergan who said that the Catholic tradition is not a forced uniformity, but a unity among diversity, similar to indigenous ways of knowing. This is increasingly important for Catholics themselves but for people in all of the world's religions. There are temptations in Catholicism and Christianity that are coming to fruition currently in a sort of rigidity and fundamentalism that rejects the other in numerous ways, whether other other forms of Christianity, other religions, other ethnicities. But we are also seeing this growing in other religions around the world too. This is something we resist here. Indeed, and you will hear this in a forthcoming podcast, the position we take is one that is found in a recent document from the Vatican,  A JOURNEY OF HOPE: Sixty Years of Interreligious Dialogue and Fraternity in the Light of the Conciliar Declaration Nostra Aetate. Do read the whole document, but I will start at the end of paragraph 53, where it says, "Today, in the face of those who foment divisions and stir up conflicts, believers of different traditions—and above all their leaders—while remaining aware of their irreducible differences, are called to seek, with clarity and hope, the conditions necessary for peaceful coexistence." Paragraph 54 says, "To achieve this goal, a genuine shift in mindset is necessary: abandoning the logic of defensiveness, hostility, or conquest in order to adopt an attitude that is open, benevolent, and courageous. Monolithic and isolated models, which encourage a closed view of reality, are proving increasingly inadequate and, ultimately, become sources of violence and suffering for the most vulnerable. The defensive entrenchment in one's own position and the view that proselytism is the only way to engage with the other no longer make sense in a world that increasingly resembles an interconnected and constantly evolving global village."   This description of the task of the world's religions, from the Dicasteries of the Doctrine of the Faith, for Promoting Christian Unity, and for Interreligious Dialogue could not be a better description of the work that we hope to do at the Centre for Christian engagement and at What Matters Most podcast.   What Matters Most is produced by the Centre for Christian Engagement at St Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC. The CCE is a centre at St. Mark's College that explores the Christian and Catholic intellectual tradition and seek to learn from others, other Christians, members of other religious traditions, and from those who do not claim any particular or formal religious affiliation.  This is a podcast about big questions, about big issues, about what matters most to people, what's important to you, what gets you up out of bed in the morning or keeps you up late at night wondering. We are looking at these big questions and big issues through the lens of individual stories and individual lives. Religious traditions and institutions might be systems, ancient and modern, but people are people and religion lives in and through people. Our goal, then, is to talk to a lot of people, to learn from them, to listen to them, and to find out what motivates them, what gives them hope, what gives them peace, and what allows them to go out into the world to love their neighbors. And how they like to worship. Since St. Mark's Centre for Christian Engagement seeks to enable the creation of a culture of encounter and dialogue, let me invite you into that discussion. Send me questions, send me ideas for guests, send me comments. Let us know what you want to discuss next on the Podcast in general or on Pop Culture Matters. Follow us at our Instagram page @stmarkscce or our new Facebook page Centre for Christian Engagement at St. Mark's, and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca A few thanks are in order. First of all, I am grateful to Martin Strong, who guides me in the podcasting world and joins me for the Pop Culture Matters regularly.  Second, the episodes are edited, engineered, and produced by Kevin Eng who is the first listener to all the episodes and my consultant for each episode, especially with the snippets that begin each episode. Thank you, Kevin, for all of your expertise and support. Finally, to the Fang Fang Chandra, the CCE assistant, who helps me bring this podcast to you, but also makes the CCE run so much more smoothly. I also want to thank our donors to the Centre, whose generosity enables this work to take place at all: Peter Bull, Angus Reid, and Andy Szocs. We are thankful to their commitment to the life of the academic world and of the work of the Church in the world by funding the work of the CCE. I am also thankful to the Cullen family, Mark and Barbara, for their support of the ongoing work of the CCE through financial donations that allow us to bring speakers to the local and international arenas. If you are interested in donating yourself to the CCE, please check out the CCE website where you can find the donate button on the top right corner. We are a non-profit organization, and all donations over $20.00 are tax deductible. Or support us on Patreon. If you do not know what Patreon is, ask your children or your grandchildren! If you are enjoying the podcast, please let your friends know. And also let people know by rating and reviewing What Matters Most on your favourite podcasting platform. It really makes a difference! Thanks again for listening and remember what matters most.  This work matters, so thanks for being a part of it. Dr. John W. Martens

  6. Sep 30

    How to Build a Civilization of Love: A Conversation on Magnifica Humanitas with Dr. Fiona Li, Rev. Dr. Nick Meisl, and Dr. Nick Olkovich

    Welcome to What Matters Most, episode 3 of our fifth season. This is also the third episode on What Matters Most to discuss the encyclical Magnifica Humanitas and every conversation reveals nuances to the document and aspects of it we have not discussed previously. I surveyed the encyclical on my own a few months ago, but next I brought in a couple of experts in moral theology and Christian ethics, Drs. Tisha Rajendra and Ruben Rosario Rodreiguez to discuss the encyclical on AI, migration, war, and whatever else came up for them in their readings. This third episode dedicated to Magnifica Humanitas features St. Mark's theology faculty and our conversation focused a lot on the anthropology of the document, the role of education, about AI and with AI, the problem of deep fakes and how that impacts especially women and children, and how one builds a civilization of love, grounded in truth and humanity, in contrast to the forces that desire power, the technocratic paradigm, and increasing calls for warfare.  The guests on this episode were Dr. Fiona Li is an assistant professor and inaugural holder of the Archbishop J. Michael Miller Chair in Catholic Studies at Corpus Christi-St Mark's College. She is originally from Toronto and received her PhD in Theological Studies from Regis College and U of T. Her primary research interests lie at the intersection of feminist theology, Chinese Canadian Catholic women's experiences, and Mariology.  Rev. Dr. Nick Meislis a priest of the archdiocese of Vancouver, whose parish is St. Peter's in New Westminster, a professor of scripture at St. Mark's College, and at Christ the King Seminary, and he recently earned his doctorate in Scripture, writing a dissertation on 1 Corinthians 7, supervised by John Barclay, at University of Durham and Harry Maier at VST. His dissertation will be published soon. Dr. Nick Olkovich is an associate Professor and Marie Anne Blondin Chair in Catholic Theology at St. Mark's College. He holds a Ph.D. in Theology from the University of St. Michael's College at the University of Toronto. His ongoing research focuses primarily on the relationship between ethics, politics and religion in democratic contexts and on a variety of issues in theological anthropology, ecclesiology, and foundational theology. A few notes about documents and popular culture that were mentioned in this episode. There have been two previous Church documents on AI: January 14, 2023, Dicastery for The Doctrine of the Faith; Dicastery for Culture and Education: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the Relationship Between Artificial Intelligence and Human Intelligence March 4, 2026, the International Theological Commission released a 50-page reflection titled "Quo vadis, humanitas? Thinking Christian anthropology in the face of some scenarios concerning the future of the human." Also, The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI:  How to Think About Artificial Intelligence—Before It's Too Late by Cory Doctorow was mentioned as was The Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's Open AI by Karen Hao. And Fiona mentioned Pixel Perfect, which turns out to be a Disney Channel movie from 2004.   A few thanks are in order. First of all, I am grateful to Martin Strong, who guides me in the podcasting world and joins me for the Pop Culture Matters regularly. Second, the episodes are edited, engineered, and produced by Kevin Eng who is the first listener to all the episodes and my consultant for each episode, especially with the snippets that begin each episode. Thank you, Kevin, for all of your expertise and support and especially for saving this episode when I could not convert it to a listenable or viewable file. Finally, to the Fang Fang Chandra, the CCE assistant, who helps me bring this podcast to you, but also makes the CCE run so much more smoothly.  I also want to thank our donors to the Centre, whose generosity enables this work to take place at all: Peter Bull, Angus Reid, and Andy Szocs. We are thankful to their commitment to the life of the academic world and of the work of the Church in the world by funding the work of the CCE. I am also thankful to the Cullen family, Mark and Barbara, for their support of the ongoing work of the CCE through financial donations that allow us to bring speakers to the local and international arenas.  If you would like to support the work of the CCE, become a new member of CCE Patreon, First Engagers, supporting the podcast and the Centre for only $5.00 CAD a month. For that 5 dollars, you will get a live monthly podcast discussion via Zoom, free exclusive member merchandise, be able to suggest guests and topics for What Matters Most. And the first ten Patrons, apart from the other merch they will receive, such as water bottles, tote bags, etc., will get awesome, I mean it, awesome, CCE hoodies. Orange hoodies with the CCE logo in green, orange and blue. Do it, become first engagers! If you are simply interested in donating to the CCE, please check out the CCE website where you can find the donate button on the top right corner. We are a non-profit organization, and all donations over $20.00 are tax deductible. But think about the Patreon too! Since St. Mark's Centre for Christian Engagement seeks to enable the creation of a culture of encounter and dialogue, let me invite you into that discussion. Follow us at our Instagram page, @stmarkscce or our Facebook page and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. We'll post there with a question as to what you are most interested in. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca or cceconferences@stmarkscollege.ca. John W. Martens

  7. Sep 16

    Childhood, Education, and Family Relations in Early Christian Communities": A SSHRC Insight Grant Podcast, Episode 1. Featuring Drs. Cornelia Horn, Margaret MacDonald, and Teresa Morgan.

    Welcome to What Matters Most, episode 2 of our fifth season and episode one of the "Childhood, Education, and Family Relations in Early Christian Communities" SSHRC Insight Grant Podcasts. This episode is the first in a series of episodes that are funded by a SSHRC Insight Grant.  SSHRC is the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada and Margaret MacDonald and I are co-principal investigators on this five-year grant titled "Childhood, Education, and Family Relations in Early Christian Communities." Cornelia Horn and Teresa Morgan are collaborators on this research grant. We are thankful for SSHRC's support of our research through this Insight Grant. Here is a part of our proposal submitted to SSHRC: "The main aim is to explore the relationship between childhood, education, and family relations in early Christian communities and their relevant contexts from Jewish beginnings to the Late Antique period (approx. 100 BCE-500 CE). The research reflects the trans-disciplinary interest in the experiences of children which have often been neglected. Employing an emerging theoretical approach, "childist" interpretation, investigators will move children from the margins to the center of investigation. They will highlight potential advances in our understanding resulting from a deliberate effort to listen to and learn from children through analysis of ancient textual and material evidence. Researchers will highlight findings which suggest that children and youth were important agents, instrumental to growth, the passing on of traditions, and transition into new generations. They will draw upon the category of "intersectionality" (exploring identity with reference to overlapping factors linked to status), especially the intersection between the lives of slaves and children (free and slave) in educational experiences. Rather than focus exclusively on the use of teaching language and authority figures (usually male), the aim is to probe the parameters of educational spaces, paying attention also to the presence of women, slaves, and children." In this first SSHRC funded episode I speak with the team about the parameters of the grant.  What do we mean by education? Formal and informal education? Literate education? Scribal education? What methodologies are we using? How do you study ancient children? Were there differences among the educational experiences of Greek, Roman, and Jewish children? How did these differences influence the emerging Christian movement? Who were the teachers of children, and adults for that matter, as perhaps the lives of children were more integrated into the adult world in antiquity than the lives of children today. We had a lively discussion and even though our team comprises experts on all of these topics, it is clear that in these beginning stages of our research, we have much to sort out and define.  I find this exciting, as I know Cornelia, Margaret, and Teresa do also, and I want to invite you along on our research journey, which begins its public dissemination with this first episode. I also want to introduce the team a bit more, which for this episode will include me, and focus on some of their research relevant for this grant. I cannot cover all of the teams research in this episode but I will highlight some key contributions: Dr. Cornelia Horn is Full Professor & Chair, Depart. of Oriental Christian and Byzantine Studies, Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg, Germany.  She is the author, with me, of Let the Little Children Come to Me": Childhood and Children in Early Christianity. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2009. She was also, with Reidar Aasgaard, a principal investigator on the major research study, "Childhood in Early Europe," through the Faculty of Humanities, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. Some of her articles are as follows: "Raising Martyrs and Ascetics: A Diachronic Comparison of Educational Role-Models for Early Christian Children." In Children in Late Antique Christianity. Edited by Cornelia B. Horn and Robert R. Pheonix. Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2009, 293-316.  "Parent-Child Relationships and Children's Health in the Roman East and the Persian Empire: Perspectives from Theodoret of Cyrrhus's Religious History and the Acts of Mār Mārī." In Children and Family in Late Antiquity: Life, Death, and Interaction. Edited by Christian Laes, Katarina Mustakillio, and Ville Vuolonto, Leuven and Walpole: Peeters, 2015, 257-287. Dr. Margaret MacDonald - Professor of Religious Studies at Saint Mary's University in Halifax.  The Power of Children: The Construction of Christian Families in the GrecoRoman World. Waco Texas: Baylor University Press, 2014.  "Like Father Like Son: Reassessing Constructions of Fatherhood in Ephesians in Light of Cultural Interests in Family Continuity." In Bodies, Borders, Believers: Ancient Texts and Present Conversations: Essays in Honor of Turid Karlsen Seim on her 70th birthday. Edited by Anne Hegge Grung, Marianne Bjelland Kartzow and Anna Rebecca Soleväg. Eugene, Or:Wipf and Stock, Pickwick Publications 2015, 125-143.  "Paul and Family Life." In Paul in the Greco-Roman World: A Handbook,Second Edition, 2 vols. Edited by J. Paul Sampley. London: Bloomsbury, T&T Clark, 2016, 25481.  "Education and the Household in the Pastoral Epistles," Interpretation: A Journal of Bible and Theology 75 (2021): 283-93.  Dr. John Martens – Professor of Theology at St. Mark's College, Vancouver "Adoption." In Brill Encyclopedia of Early Christianity Online. Edited by David G. Hunter, Paul van Geest and L. J. Lietaert Peerbolte. Leiden: Brill, 2018. "Methodology: Who is a Child and Where do we Find Children in the Greco-Roman World?" In the T&T Handbook of Children in the Bible and the Biblical World. Edited by Sharon Betsworth and Julie Faith Parker. London: Bloomsbury T&T Clark, 2019, 223-243.  "Are Enslaved Children Called to Come to Jesus? Freeborn and Enslaved Children in John Chrysostom's On Vainglory." Biblical interpretation 28.5 (2020): 584–607. "Book I: A Typical Child of the Fifties." In Augustine's Confessions and Contemporary Concerns. Edited by David Vincent Meconi, SJ. St. Paul, MN: St. Paul Seminary Press, 2022, 11-31. Dr. Teresa Morgan - McDonald Agape Professor of New Testament and Early Christianity at Yale University. Literate Education in the Hellenistic and Roman Worlds. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998.  "Ethos: The Socialization of Children in Education and Beyond." In A Companion to Families in the Greek and Roman Worlds. Edited by Beryl Rawson. Oxford: Blackwell, 2011, 504-520.  Roman Faith and Christian Faith. Pistis and Fides in the Early Roman Empire and Early Churches. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2015.  A few thanks are in order. First of all, I am grateful to Martin Strong, who guides me in the podcasting world and joins me for the Pop Culture Matters regularly. Second, the episodes are edited, engineered, and produced by Kevin Eng who is the first listener to all the episodes and my consultant for each episode, especially with the snippets that begin each episode. Thank you, Kevin, for all of your expertise and support and especially for saving this episode when I could not convert it to a listenable or viewable file. Finally, to the Fang Fang Chandra, the CCE assistant, who helps me bring this podcast to you, but also makes the CCE run so much more smoothly.  I also want to thank our donors to the Centre, whose generosity enables this work to take place at all: Peter Bull, Angus Reid, and Andy Szocs. We are thankful to their commitment to the life of the academic world and of the work of the Church in the world by funding the work of the CCE. I am also thankful to the Cullen family, Mark and Barbara, for their support of the ongoing work of the CCE through financial donations that allow us to bring speakers to the local and international arenas.  If you would like to support the work of the CCE, become a new member of CCE Patreon, First Engagers, supporting the podcast and the Centre for only $5.00 CAD a month. For that 5 dollars, you will get a live monthly podcast discussion via Zoom, free exclusive member merchandise, be able to suggest guests and topics for What Matters Most. And the first ten Patrons, apart from the other merch they will receive, such as water bottles, tote bags, etc., will get awesome, I mean it, awesome, CCE hoodies. Orange hoodies with the CCE logo in green, orange and blue. Do it, become first engagers! If you are simply interested in donating to the CCE, please check out the CCE website where you can find the donate button on the top right corner. We are a non-profit organization, and all donations over $20.00 are tax deductible. But think about the Patreon too! Since St. Mark's Centre for Christian Engagement seeks to enable the creation of a culture of encounter and dialogue, let me invite you into that discussion. Follow us at our Instagram page, @stmarkscce or our Facebook page and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. We'll post there with a question as to what you are most interested in. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca or cceconferences@stmarkscollege.ca. John W. Martens

  8. Sep 2

    The Joys and Limits of Humanity: A Conversation with Drs. Tisha Rajendra and Ruben Rosario Rodriguez on Magnifica Humanitas

    Welcome to Season 5, Episode 1 of What Matters Most!  In this episode I welcomed Dr. Tisha Rajendra and Dr. Ruben Rosario Rodriguez to discuss Pope Leo's first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas.  I delved into the encyclical on my own a couple of months ago, but I wanted to bring in experts in Christian ethics to discuss the encyclical on AI, migration, war, and whatever else came up for them in their readings.  Dr. Tisha Rajendra  is an associate professor at  Loyola University Chicago. Tisha M. Rajendra is the author of Migrants and Citizens: Justice as Responsibility in the Ethics of Immigration (Eerdmans, 2017) and has published academic articles in the Journal for the Society of Christian Ethics, Ethical Theory and Moral Practice and Political Theology. Her writing for general audiences has been published in Sojourners and the Los Angeles Times. She also has a new book coming out soon: Immigration: An Ethics of Resistance. It covers recent immigration enforcement, the history of Christian complicity with evil (German church, third Reich), a biblical theology of resistance, and virtues of resistance: solidarity, humility, magnanimity, prudence, hope and resistance. Dr. Rubén Rosario Rodríguez, Ph.D. is a Professor of Systematic Theology and Theological Ethics at Saint Louis University, where he previously held the Clarence Louis and Helen Steber Chair in Theological Studies and is currently the Coordinator of Graduate Programs in the Department of Theological Studies. He recently published his fourth and fifth monographs, Theological Fragments: Confessing What We Know and Cannot Know about an Infinite God (Westminster John Knox Press, 2023), and Calvin for the World: The Enduring Relevance of His Political, Social, and Economic Theology (Baker Academic, 2024). This fall he is a fellow in residence at the Center of Theological Inquiry in Princeton, New Jersey, while he completes work on his next book titled, Between Despair and Complacency: Reclaiming the Theology of Hope (under review at Cambridge University Press). I appreciated the passion and thoughtfulness they brought to the entire discussion of MH, including towards the end when they questioned why the image of rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem was the biblical counterpoint to the Tower of Babel, the confusion of languages, instead of the account of Pentecost, as Ruben proposed, when the Holy Spirit came and everyone could understand each other. I do suspect that it has to do with the image of hands on, human building, but Tisha raised an important point about the fact that Nehemiah 13 (and Ezra 9–10) address intermarriage by urging the community to cast out their foreign wives to maintain their religious identity. While it does not appear in these early chapters, it casts a pall on this image as one of humanity working together, especially in a document where a positive assessment of migration plays such a central role. The encyclical, for any of its weaknesses, remains a powerful and essential document. Ruben noted that "it has been incredibly popular on social media and in particular with the younger generations. And first things interviewed a young person, Gen Z, and the response was people have really been looking for a response to AI. This was the first, at least in my sphere of the world, the first time a world leader made an announcement of this magnitude. And so, people are wanting more guidance, more of a response, a balanced response to AI. So kudos to the Pope for taking the lead on that." I agree. I also resonated with Tisha's comment, reflecting on Augustine, as probably the only Catholic feminist who loves Augustine, that "the earthly city is where we live right now. human finitude, fallibility, vulnerability, embodiment are where grace is.  And I think it's true to say that some of the turn to AI is this temptation to escape finitude and to escape vulnerability. And the Pope is saying, well, embrace it. sure, one day we will shuffle off this mortal coil and we will be with God and we will be basking in the beatific vision, right? But none of us knows what that will be like. And right now we encounter grace through our.... in the midst of and with our mortality and vulnerability and finitude. And that's the one thing that AI will never cherish and it will never help us do that." I thought this was powerfully said. Finally, the need for education is greater than ever. Tisha noted that "Leo says in 140:  education is a long journey requiring patience. It needs time for development and engagement with reality beyond appearances." We need to offer our students time, we need to offer ourselves time to learn, to reflect, to think. Do not miss the joy, do not let AI steal the joy of learning and truly knowing something deeply. One last thing: When Tisha mentioned racist immigration policies in Canada, especially regarding South Asian immigrants, I noted an early 20th century incident in Vancouver. That was the The Komagata Maru Incident of 1914. I was not certain I remembered the name correctly, so I hesitated to mention it. Briefly, this is what the Canada Parks website says about this incident: "In May 1914, the Komagata Maru reached Vancouver via Hong Kong and Japan carrying 376 prospective Punjabi immigrants in contravention of racially restrictive Canadian immigration law that included the "continuous journey regulation." Its arrival provoked a strong anti-Asian backlash. The travellers were forced to remain on board for what would become two months. The local South Asian community united to fight their deportation, but eventually lost the legal battle, and the ship and most of its passengers were sent back to India. This incident continues to resonate in our history and is a symbol of the early struggle of South Asian Canadians for justice and equality." This, of course, is just one racist incident, of which there are many, in Canada's immigration past. But MH presses us to do better, to accept the limitations of our humanity, but also to accept the goodness inherent not in machines but in every human being created in the image and likeness of God. MH  83 says that "development is truly human when it places people at the center instead of the accumulation of wealth, and when it concerns peoples as well as individuals. Justice demands the recognition of the rights of society and the rights of peoples and includes a responsibility toward future generations." A few thanks are in order. First of all, I am grateful to Martin Strong, who guides me in the podcasting world and joins me for the Pop Culture Matters regularly. Second, the episodes are edited, engineered, and produced by Kevin Eng who is the first listener to all the episodes and my consultant for each episode, especially with the snippets that begin each episode. Thank you, Kevin, for all of your expertise and support and especially for saving this episode when I could not convert it to a listenable or viewable file. Finally, to the Fang Fang Chandra, the CCE assistant, who helps me bring this podcast to you, but also makes the CCE run so much more smoothly.  I also want to thank our donors to the Centre, whose generosity enables this work to take place at all: Peter Bull, Angus Reid, and Andy Szocs. We are thankful to their commitment to the life of the academic world and of the work of the Church in the world by funding the work of the CCE. I am also thankful to the Cullen family, Mark and Barbara, for their support of the ongoing work of the CCE through financial donations that allow us to bring speakers to the local and international arenas.  If you would like to support the work of the CCE, become a new member of CCE Patreon, First Engagers, supporting the podcast and the Centre for only $5.00 CAD a month. For that 5 dollars, you will get a live monthly podcast discussion via Zoom, free exclusive member merchandise, be able to suggest guests and topics for What Matters Most. And the first ten Patrons, apart from the other merch they will receive, such as water bottles, tote bags, etc., will get awesome, I mean it, awesome, CCE hoodies. Orange hoodies with the CCE logo in green, orange and blue. Do it, become first engagers! If you are simply interested in donating to the CCE, please check out the CCE website where you can find the donate button on the top right corner. We are a non-profit organization, and all donations over $20.00 are tax deductible. But think about the Patreon too! Since St. Mark's Centre for Christian Engagement seeks to enable the creation of a culture of encounter and dialogue, let me invite you into that discussion. Follow us at our Instagram page, @stmarkscce and drop us a line as to what you want to see or hear. We'll post there with a question as to what you are most interested in. Or email us with your suggestions to jmartens@stmarkscollege.ca or cceconferences@stmarkscollege.ca. John W. Martens

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What Matters Most is focused on listening to people and what is on their minds, particularly dealing with the big questions of religion and spirituality. It emerges from the Centre for Christian Engagement, a Centre at St. Mark's College, the Catholic college at UBC, but our programming is intended for all interested parties, Catholic or not. In the What Matters Most podcast, we talk to people, some well-known, some not so well-known, some Catholic, some Christian, some not affiliated with any religion, some affiliated with other faiths (Muslims, Sikhs) to find out what matters to them. It is a podcast focused on spirituality and faith, but truly focused on listening to others, to learning from those connected to the Church and to those who are not. It is grounded in personal conversations that ask guests to talk about what has motivated their vocations or their work and what gives their lives meaning and purpose. The format can best be described as a conversation that allows us to get to know our guests.

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