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A podcast hosted by Kodiak Hub SRM Software, where we interview professionals, tech vendors, researchers and people we find inspiring in Procurement, Sourcing, Supply Chain and Sustainability. The way we source and procure impacts they way we live and has an effect on every person on the planet in some way. We want to dig a bit deeper into the lives and the profession of the people behind this scene.

  1. 4D AGO

    62. Beyond the Shiny Toys: Why Organizational Readiness is the Real Key to ProcureTech Success

    Canda Rozier shares her insights from over 30 years as a procurement practitioner and CPO. The discussion centers on the current state of procurement technology, the hype surrounding AI, and the critical importance of organizational readiness before implementing new tools. The Reality of AI and Tech Hype Rozier explains that while AI is currently the "new shiny toy" , it feels different from past trends due to its widespread personal and professional adoption. However, she warns that many companies are simply using "phrase du jour" marketing—like "AI-enabled" or "AI-powered"—without changing their underlying technology. She advises buyers to watch for "tells" of fake AI, such as sales teams who get a "deer in the headlights" look when asked about their underlying Large Language Model (LLM) or vendors who refuse to show a live sandbox demo in favor of a recorded video. The Inconvenient Truth of Implementation A significant portion of the discussion addresses why procurement tech often fails. Rozier points out that failure or abandonment rates can reach 80% to 90%. The "inconvenient truth" is that many organizations simply aren't ready for the tech they buy. She compares buying complex software without readiness to buying a Lamborghini without knowing how to drive a manual transmission. Success requires "absorption capacity," which includes the corporate appetite to handle process changes, policy updates, and the realignment of job responsibilities. Defining Readiness and the "Why" To be truly ready, Rozier argues that a company must have a unified goal and understand their "why" before purchasing. This includes having a multi-dimensional governance structure and involving cross-functional stakeholders like Finance early on to avoid surprises like mismatched charts of accounts. She also emphasizes that "dirty data" is often a symptom of "dirty processes". Companies must standardize their processes to ensure that once data is cleaned, it stays clean going forward. Risk as a New Mandate While procurement has traditionally been "cash motivated" and focused on savings , Rozier notes that risk management is becoming a top-tier mandate due to global regulatory requirements like CSRD and EUDR. She suggests that the fastest way to waste a year in procurement is to chase a shiny toy without a clear purpose , whereas the fastest way to "win a year" is to understand business drivers and partner closely with internal stakeholders.

    44 min

  2. JAN 28

    61. Make Stakeholders “Dangerous” (In a Good Way): Indirect Procurement Enablement with Steve Walton

    Indirect spend gets dismissed as “pens and paper” - but Steve Walton (NMCB Consulting, Everything Counts) explains why that mindset quietly creates risk, bloats the supplier base, and leaves value on the table. In this episode, Steve shares practical stories from marketing procurement (including why media auditing can save millions), plus a stakeholder-friendly enablement approach that turns procurement from a late-stage blocker into an early-stage accelerant - with frameworks for better RFPs, contracting, negotiation, and supplier relationships.

    41 min

  3. 11/27/2025

    60. Jon Hansen - Strategic Procurement Advisor @ Procurement Insights

    In this episode of The Way We Source, our host Sam Jenks welcomes Jon Hansen, a seasoned voice in procurement with over four decades of experience. Jon, the founder of Procurement Insights, shares his unique 360-degree perspective on why many procurement initiatives fail and how technology can succeed or falter. The conversation delves into the challenges of tech-led approaches, the importance of human-centric models, and the often-overlooked mid-market segment. Jon's insights offer a compelling look at the future of procurement and the critical role of practitioners in driving success. Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to Jon Hansen and his background in procurement (05:12) The evolution of procurement technology over the decades (12:45) Challenges with tech-led approaches and the importance of human-centric models (20:30) The role of mid-market organizations in procurement (28:15) The Hanson Fitts score and measuring practitioner readiness (35:50) The future of procurement and the need for practitioner-led success (45:00) Quick-fire round with personal insights from Jon Hansen

    49 min

  4. 10/21/2025

    59. Jan-Henner Theissen, CPO @ MEYER WERFT

    In this episode of The Way We Source, host Sam Jenks engages with Jan-Henner Theissen, founder and managing director of Target P, to explore the evolving landscape of procurement. They discuss the cultural differences in procurement practices between Europe and the U.S., the importance of decision-making speed, and the need for a balanced approach to cost, risk, and ESG. Jan emphasizes the significance of supplier relationship management and the necessity for procurement leaders to embrace technology and foster collaboration. The conversation also touches on the future of procurement leadership and the critical role of data analytics in driving success.

    42 min
  5. 58. Chris Sawchuk, Principal & Global Procurement Advisory Practice Leader @ The Hackett Group

    08/21/2025

    58. Chris Sawchuk, Principal & Global Procurement Advisory Practice Leader @ The Hackett Group

    This episode, we’re joined by Chris Sawchuk - Principal & Global Procurement Advisory Practice Leader at The Hackett Group. With over 20 years of experience in supply management, Chris works directly with the Global 2000 and midsized companies around the globe, and in a variety of industries, to improve all aspects of supply management, including process redesign, technology enablement, operations strategy planning, organizational change, and strategic sourcing. Mr. Sawchuk specializes in working directly with CPOs to help define a long-term strategy. He is a regular contributor to business publications, a frequent presenter at industry events, and author of numerous research papers and books. Mr. Sawchuk’s background includes engineering, operations, and sales roles with both United Technologies and IBM. Timestamps: (00:37) - Introducing Chris  (02:02) - How has the Hackett Group been either reactive or proactive with tall the volatility in the Procurement industry?  (04:28) - How have the dominant priorities at the beginning of 2025 changed or held up throughout the year? (07:28) - What do Procurement teams and leaders mean when they say “transforming the operating model” is a top priority? (11:11) - Is AI at the center of a Procurement operating model in 2025? (13:36) - Are Procurement’s changing priorities a result of direct de-prioritization or bandwidth limitations? (21:05) - Is the deprioritization of SRM contradictory to Procurement’s other higher priorities?  (25:56) - Where does Procurement fit into the top priorities of a CEO or broader business?  (31:02) - Why does volatility the biggest driver of transformation in Procurement?  (32:32) - Should companies invest through volatility to get a competitive edge or tighten the purse strings during the crisis? And how does this apply to AI adoption?  (41:00) - Chris answers Sam’s round of quick-fire questions  (44:54) - What does Chris think will define Procurement in 2026?

    48 min
  6. 57. Daniela Osio, CEO & Founder @ Kloopify

    08/07/2025

    57. Daniela Osio, CEO & Founder @ Kloopify

    Daniela Osio is a trailblazer in sustainable procurement and technology - and another returning Hall of Fame guest to The Way We Source! A former DuPont executive, she played a pivotal role in the Dow-DuPont merger and led global risk management for a $4B business unit. Now CEO and Founder of Kloopify, Daniela is transforming procurement by equipping teams with data-driven tools to cut costs, reduce risk, and embed sustainability into every decision. Her work has earned her the Innovation Award from the Future Insights Network and recognition as an ISM 30 Under 30 Supply Chain Star. Passionate and visionary, Daniela is redefining what modern procurement can achieve. Connect with Daniela on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielaosio/ Learn more about Kloopify: https://www.kloopify.com/ Get in touch with Kodiak Hub: https://www.kodiakhub.com  TIMESTAMPS:  (00:38) - Introducing Daniela  (01:44) - What are Daniela’s biggest learnings since founding Kloopify?  (02:39) - What was the turning point for Daniela to go from procurement practitioner to procuretech founder?  (04:34) - What did Daniela see that Procurement leaders were missing that inspired her to found Kloopify? (08:37) - Does Daniel think that companies are turning their backs on sustainability and is she concerned by this?  (11:00) - What are Procurement teams getting right and wrong about AI?    (14:52) - How does Daniela think that Procurement should tackle the challenges of these turbulent times?  (18:40) - Does Daniela see a difference between the early adopters and laggards of AI in Procurement?  (21:28) - How was Kloopify’s founded driven by trends in the Procurement market?  (26:05) - What is Daniela spending her week on as a procuretech founder and CEO?   (28:51) - What does Daniela see as the next chapter of Kloopify?  (30:38) - What other AI solutions in the market does Daniela find exciting?  (32:35) - Daniela answers our round of quick-fire questions!

    36 min
  7. 56. "Procurement Says No" w/ Ed Cross & Richard Beattie

    07/23/2025

    56. "Procurement Says No" w/ Ed Cross & Richard Beattie

    In our first cross-over episode, Kodiak Hub's Sam Jenks sits down with Ed Cross & Richard Beattie of the "Procurement Says No" podcast for candid convo about Procurement, full of hot takes, laughs, and learnings. "Procurement Says No" is an irreverent but insightful take on all things procurement through podcasting - with the thoughts of two CIPS award-winning procurement Gods who want to share their love of procurement with newbies, oldies and the procurious.  TIMESTAMPS: (00:36) - Introducing Ed Cross & Richard Beattie of the “Procurement Says No” podcast (01:55) - What is Procurement Says No’s philosophy of Procurement and what do they say no to? (03:50) - Why do Procurement professionals take themselves so seriously? And does it play into their role?  (07:12) - How can Procurement reposition itself to align with the order and be seen as helpful rather than hindering?  (11:13) - How can Procurement avoid having their process get in the way for the business? (15:20) - How have Ed & Richard seen AI in Procurement work and not work? (25:06) - How should Procurement respond to geopolitics and tariffs? (30:50) - How should Procurement respond to the tariffs in their sourcing? (37:40) - What should business professionals do to navigate these challenges? (40:23) - How does Procurement get beyond the spreadsheets and act?

    47 min
  8. 55. James Meads, Founder of Procurement Software & Independent Consultant

    05/20/2025

    55. James Meads, Founder of Procurement Software & Independent Consultant

    James Meads is a seasoned Procurement practitioner-turned-consultant and the Founder of ProcurementSoftware.site, a free to access website for anyone seeking a simple way to filter, compare and shortlist digital procurement solutions. Built by practitioners and completely unbiased, Procurement Software and James offer an easy-to-use, free resource for practitioners and solution providers alike. James also advises procurement technology start-ups / scale-ups, helping them understand their market, develop their product and reach their target audience – along with hosting, MCing, and moderating webinars for ProcureTech SaaS providers and hosting the Procurement Software podcast. James returns to The Way We Source podcast for a fantastic discussion with Sam Jenks about the current state of Procurement, technology adoption, Procurement advocating and investing in itself, and more! Get in touch with James Meads on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-meads/ And visit ProcurementSoftware.site  To learn more about Kodiak Hub and our world class Supplier Relationship Management solutions, check out: https://www.kodiakhub.com  (00:37) - Introducing James Meads (01:34) - What does Sourcing & Procurement mean to James now? (02:23) - Does James see anything that will help Procurement be more strategic?  (03:33) - James talks about his journey with ProcurementSoftware.site  (06:30) - What sets ProcurementSoftware.site apart from other Procurement agencies? (07:25) - What does James think about build vs. buy with procure tech?  (12:38) - What are the biggest barriers for Procurement to get new technology?  (16:26) - How can more of an entrepreneurial spirt empower Procurement? (21:10) - How can Procurement sell in the idea of pragmatism to their business?  (24:20) - Why does Procurement prioritize technocracy over entrepreneurialism?  (29:23) - Does Procurement have a problem with improving soft skills?  (30:39) - What have been the major eras of James’ 23 year career in Procurement?  (33:31) - Does James think Procurement has become the function of “No”? (34:51) - James answers our round of quick-fire questions

    38 min
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A podcast hosted by Kodiak Hub SRM Software, where we interview professionals, tech vendors, researchers and people we find inspiring in Procurement, Sourcing, Supply Chain and Sustainability. The way we source and procure impacts they way we live and has an effect on every person on the planet in some way. We want to dig a bit deeper into the lives and the profession of the people behind this scene.

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  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
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