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Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

    5d ago

    E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

    Somewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart. In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place. Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters. Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen. https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comhttps://youtube.com/@christcenteredtribe?si=PVPbOe2Zh-NdH3V6 Timestamps00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework 00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life 00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God 00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity 00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition 00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central 00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick 00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters 00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm 00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us 00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present 00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led 00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness 00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time 00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God 00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God 00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship 00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination 00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart 00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation 00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying 00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit 00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in 00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies 00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God 00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices 00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading 00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club 01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination 01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart 01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study 01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself 01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch 01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements 01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement

    1h 19m
  2. E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

    May 18

    E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories? In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite. The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double. The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations. This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.” https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans 00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode 00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles 00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker 00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural 00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions 00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities 00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity 00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double 00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid 00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery 00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family 00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle 00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition 00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles 00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation 00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box 00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself 00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap 00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger 00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation 00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters 00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne 00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit 00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe 00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions 00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double 00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

    54 min
  3. E207 Why Giants Matter

    May 11

    E207 Why Giants Matter

    In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ. Timestamps:00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically 00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts 00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation 00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation 00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected 00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization 00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift 00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter 00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption 00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation 00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text 00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics 00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture 00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation 00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods 00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus 00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah 00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements 00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah 00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation 00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history 00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation 00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship 00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern 00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations 00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods 00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28 01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers 01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism 01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son 01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology 01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology 01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers 01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education 01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

    1h 21m
  4. E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything

    May 4

    E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comIn this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist. Timestamps:00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice

    2 min
  5. E205 Battle for Your Soul

    Apr 27

    E205 Battle for Your Soul

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Today's guest shares a redemption story that runs through childhood spiritual sensitivity, occult deception, counterfeit supernatural power, and a real encounter with Jesus that changed everything. This episode moves from dark spiritual territory into healing, deliverance, identity, and the power of Christ to restore what the enemy tried to claim.  Brandon chats with Wendy Sadd. https://radiantwellnesshudson.com/Wendy's Book Timestamps:00:03:10 Bloodlines, trauma, iniquity, and the blood of Jesus00:08:02 The church to cauldron pipeline00:12:39 Pennsylvania roots, church history, and Masonic ties in the bloodline00:14:55 Childhood demonic encounters and early spiritual sensitivity00:17:58 Scrying, automatic writing, and early occult behavior00:20:20 The voice at sixteen and the prophecy that marked her path00:27:24 Turning 42, getting red-pilled, and starting the search for God00:29:35 Why spiritually hungry people can drift into counterfeit power00:34:24 Under the tutelage of occult teachers and a New Age walk-in00:39:02 Light body activation and astral travel00:41:18 A face to face encounter with another Jesus00:47:59 Spiritual interference during the recording and live prayer00:52:31 Reiki, yoga, worship, and the body in spiritual practice00:59:25 Reiki training and demonic beings attached to healing sessions01:01:46 The Lords of Karma and the Akashic records01:04:15 Council encounter and fear in meditation01:07:42 Night terror, levitation, and angelic intervention01:08:52 God begins pulling Wendy out of the occult01:12:55 Seeing what was operating behind an occult mentor01:19:39 Repentance, burning occult objects, and returning to Jesus01:26:22 Nigerian prayer warrior, spiritual authority, and bloodline warfare01:28:45 Instant healing of a lump at a conference01:32:11 Grocery store word of knowledge and healing testimony01:36:30 Warning a former friend to repent and close the door01:38:24 Yeti encounter near Pilot Mountain01:49:58 The danger of fear based spiritual legalism01:52:26 Freedom in Jesus for people trapped in the occult01:54:43 Romans 8 and the invitation to come home to Christ01:56:56 Next steps for new believers coming out of the occult

    2 hr
  6. E204 [Rewind] What Do You Do With a Bible That Refuses to Stay Ordinary?

    Apr 20

    E204 [Rewind] What Do You Do With a Bible That Refuses to Stay Ordinary?

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com What do you do with a Bible that refuses to stay ordinary? In this episode, Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Ryan Anderson to explore one of the wildest questions they’ve tackled yet: does the Bible actually present a case for time travel? What starts as a conversation about God creating time quickly opens into a sweeping discussion about Moses, Elijah, the Mount of Transfiguration, prophetic timing, and whether certain passages make more sense when read through a deeper biblical lens. Ryan lays out his case that time is part of creation itself, meaning the God who made it is not bound by it. From Hezekiah’s sundial to Joshua’s long day to Moses asking to see God’s glory, the conversation traces moments in Scripture that seem to suggest time is more flexible than most believers assume. Then things really get interesting as Ryan connects Moses and Elijah’s encounters on the mountain with Jesus’ transfiguration, proposing that what happened there may have been more than a vision. It may have been a convergence across ages. Along the way, the conversation touches the gap theory, Lucifer traditions, Hebrew word studies, old earth questions, typology, the law and the prophets, and why the Bible may be far stranger and more supernatural than most modern readers were taught to expect. This one is not about chasing novelty. It is about asking whether the text itself is bigger, deeper, and more charged with mystery than we’ve allowed. Timestamps:00:00:30 Intro and setup for a stretching conversation 00:02:53 Ryan Anderson on his background and upcoming book 00:03:45 Pre-Adamic history gap theory and Lucifer questions 00:05:18 Bible translations manuscript issues and original language discussion 00:07:41 Hebrew wording and Lucifer wanting to be like the Most High 00:10:01 Adam angels and the possibility of a prior order 00:12:26 Psalm 8 Lucifer protest theory and the question what is man 00:14:50 When did Satan actually fall 00:17:14 Jerusalem Jericho moon symbolism and prophetic reading 00:18:15 Members Only community promo 00:19:44 Brandon on other theories of Satan’s fall and post-Covid biblical supernaturalism 00:24:32 The main question can the Bible support time travel 00:26:51 God created time and stands outside it 00:31:41 Heaven eternity and different experiences of time 00:34:05 Hezekiah sundial Joshua and biblical mastery over time 00:36:23 Moses asks to see God’s glory 00:38:46 Hebrew word study on face before and behind 00:41:12 Elijah on the mountain and the Lord passing by 00:43:39 The Mount of Transfiguration as possible convergence point 00:46:03 Did God bring Moses and Elijah into the future 00:50:51 Moses burial Michael and Satan disputing the body 00:53:16 Elisha double portion and Moses Elijah typology 00:55:35 Brandon and Lindsy respond to Ryan’s theory 00:57:51 Apocrypha Enoch Jasher and interpretive value 01:00:00 Ryan on why he’s writing the new book 01:02:16 Brandon on theory building and scholarly work 01:04:18 Favorite time travel movies

    1h 9m
  7. E203 Hearing Heart

    Apr 13

    E203 Hearing Heart

    For a long time, the church has assumed that if people just receive the right teaching, real transformation will follow. But this conversation pushes back on that idea in a big way. Michael Sullivant joins Brandon and Jen to explore what happens when brain science, attachment theory, and spiritual formation are brought into the same room. They unpack how the human brain was designed for belonging, why attachment is central to identity, and how emotional and relational maturity have too often been separated from spiritual maturity. The conversation moves into the difference between left-brained information and right-brained formation, how trauma leaves unfinished stories in people, and why joy is not a side issue but a major part of becoming like Christ. Michael also shares practical rhythms that can help rewire the brain toward peace, gratitude, and deeper connection with God and community. This one gets into discipleship, healing, joy, trauma, gratitude, group identity, healthy correction, and why the church may be overdue for a relational reformation. https://radiusministries.orghttps://lifemodelworks.org/ App on Apple Store- Hearing Heart - icon for app looks like episode graphic Books Mentioned-https://amzn.to/47Mb2BShttps://amzn.to/4c2msnyhttps://amzn.to/3Q1PMlt To get links to the Free books Michael mentioned- email sandy@unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:51 Why information alone does not create maturity00:03:17 Michael Sullivan’s background and conversion story00:07:57 From church leadership to Life Model Works and Radius Ministries00:10:19 What Radius Ministries does00:13:00 What neurotheology means00:15:07 Defining attachment and why it matters00:17:31 Attachment love and the image of God00:19:55 Adoption, belonging, and relational need00:22:19 Marriage, attachment, and why people matter most00:24:44 Attachment, addiction, and the right hemisphere00:26:52 Attachment to God and attachment to community00:29:09 Emotional maturity and spiritual maturity belong together00:31:32 Why the right hemisphere matters in discipleship00:33:56 Trauma as an unfinished story00:36:15 How to begin building healthy attachment with God00:38:40 Gratitude as a practice that rewires the brain00:41:06 Greeting, joy, and golden memories00:43:27 Golden memories and recognizing God’s presence00:45:54 Joy, sacred moments, and God memories00:48:17 Revisiting meaningful moments with Jesus00:50:39 Why feelings matter more than many Christians were taught00:53:00 Log jams, deep healing, and releasing what is already in us00:55:20 What it looks like to practice the disciplines of joy00:57:43 Love as gladness to be with someone01:00:09 Group identity and healthy correction01:02:34 Joy resistance and starting small01:05:00 Joy capacity and contagious peace01:06:58 Regulating the right hemisphere and identity practice01:09:23 Tongues, trust, and right-brain spirituality01:11:47 Five minutes of gratitude three times a day01:14:10 Trauma, fear, and the Holy Spirit as the spirit of mental health01:17:28 Jesus in the trauma story01:19:52 Humility, healing, and rich soil01:22:15 Relational reformation and the future of the church01:26:40 Recommended books and resources

    1h 32m
  8. E202 The Sightings No One Can Explain

    Apr 6

    E202 The Sightings No One Can Explain

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com What happens when too many eyewitness accounts start sounding alike to ignore? In this episode, Marcus Ellis returns to the show to talk about the rise in Dogman reports, the work of the North American Dogman Project, and the kinds of encounters that leave people shaken for years. He explains why he sees Dogman as distinct from Sasquatch, what witnesses most often describe, and why these cases seem to carry a different kind of fear than most Bigfoot reports. https://northamericandogmanproject.com/ Timestamps:  00:00:51  Dogman as a question at the edge of folklore and the unseen realm 00:03:13 Marcus shares his role with the North American Dogman Project 00:05:39 Why Dogman encounters are treated more seriously than many Bigfoot cases 00:08:06 Why Marcus no longer sees Dogman as misidentified Sasquatch 00:10:37 The fear and trauma witnesses report after close encounters 00:13:03 Why Dogman gets less public acceptance especially in the Bible Belt 00:15:31 Bigfoot Dogman and the turn toward paranormal explanations 00:17:59 Dogman vs Bigfoot and why Dogman reports feel darker 00:20:27 Marcus recounts a Dogman sighting at Sky Lake 00:22:48 Todd’s terrifying face to face encounter in the woods 00:27:40 Yazoo County Sky Lake and Mississippi hotspot discussion 00:30:03 Strange locations local reports and more Mississippi stories 00:32:31 Why these creatures may be dangerous even if they do not always attack 00:34:51 SRT team reports and questions about DNA and government interest 00:37:22 Claims of government monitoring and asset theories 00:39:47 What Dogman reportedly looks like according to witnesses 00:44:37 Fear flesh and blood reality and the spiritual feel of encounters 00:47:00 Shape shifting skinwalker theories and why Marcus stays open but cautious 00:51:51 Dogman Nephilim and fitting cryptids into a biblical worldview 00:56:44 Giants abominations and why Canaan comes into the discussion 01:01:38 Blood defilement bestiality and corruption themes in scripture 01:04:02 Reptilian reports skepticism and eyewitness credibility 01:06:24 Why biblical and scientific lenses may both matter 01:11:06 The Bible as a supernatural book and not just a naturalistic text 01:13:27 Demon in the gaps and the danger of overexplaining everything spiritually 01:18:24 Biggest misconceptions about Dogman and fear of the outdoors 01:23:11 Are there male and female Dogman reports 01:25:31 Where to contact Marcus and the North American Dogman Project

    22 min
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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  • Creator
    Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    186
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Unrefined LLC
  • Show Website
    Unrefined Podcast .com

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