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Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. E196 The Cost of Casting Out

    2D AGO

    E196 The Cost of Casting Out

    This isn’t an attack on the supernatural. It’s a call to integrity, accountability, and making sure what we call freedom actually looks like Jesus. Deliverance is real. And so is the damage that happens when zeal outruns discernment. In this Sponsors Only conversation, Brandon and Lindsy talk with Dr. Merrill Greene about “exorcistic abuse,” the history behind exorcism language, why “unclean spirits” mattered in the Second Temple world, and how fake manifestations, celebrity culture, and bad theology can wreck vulnerable people. https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com2 ways to join-  $6/monthly OR $10/monthly- support the movement! Timestamps: 00:00:48 Brandon frames the episode redemptively not anti supernatural 00:03:02 Why Merrill started writing The Cost of Casting Out 00:04:10 A sham deliverance meeting eyes flashing and peer pressure 00:06:10 Leg lengthening and the danger of staged miracles 00:07:39 The Winger /Bolz /Bethel tension and how discernment gets weaponized 00:08:50 Deliverance vs exorcism why Protestants changed the language 00:10:55 Brief history of exorcism from ancient world to early church 00:13:20 Divine council worldview and territorial powers without obsession 00:16:37 Unclean spirits vs demons Second Temple context and 1 Enoch thread 00:18:44 What exorcistic abuse looks like in real cases 00:23:25 When people mean well but bad theology turns lethal 00:25:47 Accountability without becoming a heresy hustle culture 00:28:04 Fake manifestations Munchausen dynamics and ministry incentives 00:30:23 Zoom deliverance social pressure and manufactured demons 00:32:41 Theology has consequences why what you believe shapes what you do 00:34:58 Practical markers character accountability and fruit not theatrics 00:37:20 Covering concerns disciple making movements and lone wolf danger 00:39:48 How common is real possession and why proof matters 00:42:02 Celebrity church culture performance pressure and entertainment 00:46:44 Ignorance training gaps and trauma created by careless labels 00:49:02 Character integrity humility and community as a safeguard 00:56:09 Charismatic realism wanting the real without the spectacle 00:58:20 Closing word and why this matters for judgment and witness

    28 min
  2. E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information

    FEB 16

    E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information

    Misery has a way of forcing honest questions. In this episode, Brandon sits down with Jennifer Johnson who has spent decades helping people move beyond information about God and into real, embodied transformation. This conversation explores heart physics, biblical meditation, imagination, and why so many believers know Scripture—but can’t seem to live free. What happens when the Word moves from the mind into the heart? What if healing isn’t about trying harder, fixing yourself, or perfect behavior—but learning to trust again? This episode unpacks why religious systems often fear inner freedom, how imagination was designed to work, and why your response to pain determines the outcome of your story. The conversation culminates in a live guided biblical meditation that invites listeners into direct awareness of Christ within. This is not self-help. This is not technique-driven spirituality. This is an invitation to closeness. https://paperbell.me/jenniferjohnson-coachhttps://joinapp.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:51 Introducing heart physics and biblical meditation00:03:02 Growing up Christian and discovering something was missing00:05:24 How How to Stop the Pain reframed suffering00:07:45 Heart physics and the parable of the sower00:12:23 Why information alone never produces fruit00:16:52 Meditation, imagination, and reclaiming what religion feared00:21:37 Sanctified imagination versus misuse00:28:43 Christ in you awareness not self-fixing00:30:59 The moment Jesus said “I chose you”00:33:10 Why experience changes everything00:34:47 Guided biblical meditation begins00:41:56 Trusting Jesus as an invitation not a demand00:45:06 Final reflection and closing

    46 min
  3. E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?

    FEB 9

    E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?

    There are “good causes” that can still be carrying a bad spirit, and some of the cleanest-looking institutions in public can hide the dirtiest mechanics underneath. In this one, we talk about how the mask works, why symbolism matters, and why discernment has to be more than vibes. We keep it anchored: Jesus is the way, not a ladder system, not an oath system, not a mystery religion with Christian paint on it — Amy from Eyes on the Right. Timestamps  00:00:07 The veil that hides what groups really are 00:00:25 Unrefined intro and sponsor shoutout 00:00:48 Amy’s testimony and why it points back to Jesus 00:03:08 Sobriety and “no longer lukewarm” devotion 00:05:29 Secret societies as “same gift different wrapping paper” 00:07:51 Knights Templar links and the public “good guy” image 00:10:14 What lower-level Masons know and don’t know 00:12:31 Revelation of the method and “game” dynamics

    14 min
  4. E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy

    FEB 2

    E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy

    Hey, hey, hey—today isn’t a reaction piece. It’s a response. Not a theological sparring match, not a pile-on, not a “pick your side” moment. We’re talking about what sits underneath public failure in the church—power, gifting, trauma, accountability, integrity, and the systems that shape leaders long before anything goes public. If we want real healing, we’ve got to stop playing whack-a-mole with personalities and start asking better questions about formation, cover-up culture, and what restoration actually requires. Join Unrefined Life GroupsJoin Unrefined Apphttps://drrobinbraun.com Timestamps:00:02:42 Examining our own hearts before critiquing others 00:05:01 No one agrees 100 percent with anyone’s theology and why that matters 00:07:15 Prophetic etiquette and why words must be weighed 00:09:33 Stage culture money ego and the illusion of total accuracy 00:11:52 Why these moments expose systems more than individuals 00:14:08 Upside down ministry model gifting elevated over healing 00:16:31 Judging behavior vs assigning intention and the iceberg metaphor 00:18:46 Four levels of consciousness and why triggers persist 00:20:56 Brandon re-evaluates assumptions and contrasts correction styles 00:23:16 Freemasonry generational doors and cover-up culture claims 00:25:41 Character over gifting and why relational community reveals fruit 00:28:04 What repentance could look like for replatforming 00:30:22 Predatory patterns and why some behaviors disqualify platform trust 00:32:37 Organic church family units vs celebrity models 00:34:53 Board failure power dynamics and why exposure happens externally 00:37:14 Sanctification put off vs put on and formation practices 00:39:30 Sonship identity performance and anointing as identity substitute 00:41:50 Why psychics can seem more accurate and the issue of mixture 00:44:14 Occult mimicry counterfeit spiritual experiences and discernment 00:46:37 Dissociation explained trauma survival compartmentalization 00:48:53 Epigenetics cellular memory and generational impact language 00:51:17 Accountability after 18 and responsibility for healing 00:53:38 Freemasonry vow logic and Matthew 18 discipline arc 00:55:52 Integrity as wholeness and why truth is the safer path 00:58:12 Jezebel Leviathan Python framework and confusion dynamics 01:00:35 Witchcraft manipulation twisting intimidation and board dynamics 01:03:00 501c3 alignment claims and spiritual entanglement discussion 01:05:23 Symbolism foundations and why “systems” matter spiritually 01:07:39 Chris Vallotton fallout logic and outcome based ethics 01:10:02 Tree of life vs knowledge of good and evil applied 01:12:25 Why integrity heals subconscious double binds and rumination 01:14:47 Peace joy homeostasis and alignment as nervous system reality 01:17:02 Frequency language and predators targeting low states 01:19:25 Learning prophetic safely practice confirmation and community 01:21:30 Locker room vs field practicing gifts in real life 01:23:40 Gift of prophecy vs office of prophet relational difference 01:26:02 Prophecy as potentiality and confirmation over control 01:28:14 Finding triggers and why guided help matters 01:30:36 Discerning supernatural favor fruit peace alignment and closed doors 01:33:00 Enchanted world discernment food offered to idols analogy 01:35:05 Blessing food and spiritual defilement stories 01:37:24 ULGs what they are and how they work 01:39:45 Identity in Christ healing projections and father lens 01:42:07 Closing encouragement don’t throw the baby out

    1h 47m
  5. E192 The Two Ways Still Stand

    JAN 26

    E192 The Two Ways Still Stand

    The Didache reads like a first-century field manual for Christians who actually expected to live what they believed. In part two, we talk Eucharist as communal fuel for mission, confession as freedom (not groveling), and why early church leadership looks a lot more “traveling + local” than modern church folks assume. We also land on the Didache’s blunt end-times tone, and the unsettling line about sheep turning into wolves when power and religiosity mix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didachehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:01 Didache as early church cheat codes and why it still matters00:02:27 What the earliest believers lived by before a finalized canon00:04:45 Eucharist thanksgiving vine of David and forward-looking hope00:07:08 Didache as a church manual catechesis and discipleship pipeline00:09:04 Liturgical but not ritualistic critique of performance church00:11:30 Scripture tradition and recovering ancient categories00:13:55 Eucharist as embodied union and mission fuel00:16:12 Progressive revelation recovery and the need for an anchor00:18:27 Prima scriptura obedience without merit mentality00:20:51 Communion at table fellowship vs individualistic ritual

    22 min
  6. E191 Holy Without The Hustle

    JAN 19

    E191 Holy Without The Hustle

    Most believers know they’re forgiven… but still live like they’re on probation. In this conversation, we unpack what changes when holiness flows out of who you already are in Christ instead of who you’re trying to become. We get practical about the “striving trap,” mixed-covenant theology, abiding without making it another performance, and why the heart is the real battleground where belief becomes fruit. Plus, a closing prayer and a timely word for Brandon about finishing what God put in his hands. https://Forward.churchhttps://clintbyars.com Timestamps:00:00:48 Holiness flowing from identity not striving00:03:05 Identity as the starting point for behavior00:05:29 New creation reality and “who you are in spirit”00:09:57 Ontological shift what kind of being are you now00:14:45 Mind renewal living within what you already have00:17:07 Abiding as response to Him abiding in us00:21:43 Why negative self-beliefs feel “humble” in church culture00:24:02 Mixed covenant confusion and reframing Jesus’ teachings00:33:03 No dusty corners seated with Him as true humility00:37:59 Heart in Scripture why it matters so much00:40:23 Parable of the sower heart soil Word seed Kingdom fruit00:45:09 Quantum imagery observation faith and manifestation00:52:08 Practical rest and business goals identity shapes decisions00:59:27 Intention dominion and the dangers of going “law of attraction”01:08:48 Recommended practice using 52 Things Jesus Did for You01:13:27 Repentance as mind change not groveling confession01:15:38 Closing prayer to yield and trust01:17:54 Prophetic encouragement to finish the book

    1h 20m
  7. E190 Sticky Faith and False Comforts

    JAN 12

    E190 Sticky Faith and False Comforts

    In Part 1 of this conversation, Brandon and returning guest Tim Holloway explore the Didache (an early Christian teaching document rediscovered in the 1800s) and what it reveals about the earliest church’s worldview: two ways—life and death, love and chaos, true source vs false sources. They unpack why identity matters before you read obedience-heavy texts, how shame drives “self-soothing” behaviors, why attachment to God changes everything, and how the early church viewed baptism as an initiation marked by seriousness, fasting, and formation. They also tease what’s coming next: Eucharist, unity, and early church order that challenges modern assumptions. Timestamps:00:00:50 Brandon welcomes Tim back and sets up the Didache conversation00:03:18 Rediscovery era why the Didache matters “for a time such as this”00:05:39 Augustine and early church pivot points00:07:48 Ground-floor Christianity loosely held practices surprises ahead00:10:17 The two ways worldview life vs death and modern spiritual “both-and” thinking00:12:40 Narrow way thoughts identity before reading obedience texts00:14:41 Sermon on the Mount echoes loving God neighbor enemy00:17:01 Heart condition legalism vs grace shame enters the convo

    19 min
  8. E189 Ping Pong Faith and the Way Out

    JAN 5

    E189 Ping Pong Faith and the Way Out

    Sometimes growth in our faith feels less like a ladder and more like getting lost on a trail you thought you already mapped. In this conversation, Brandon is joined in-studio by Jen Parks and Lindsy Waters, and they bring back Dr. Robin Braun to talk about why believers get stuck, why online “metabrawls” keep brawling, and what actually changes when God matures us beyond rule-keeping into relationship. Robin breaks down a stages-of-faith framework (drawing from James Fowler and a Christian translation of it) and connects it to what she sees in inner healing work: people who say they trust God, but carry subconscious beliefs that God is angry, punitive, or performance-based. The crew digs into deconstruction, limiting beliefs, church hurt, and why many walk away when their faith was built more on systems than on a living relationship. It gets personal too. Robin shares parts of her own story, the cost of hard seasons, and how “nothing is wasted” becomes real on the other side. The thread running through the whole episode is simple but not shallow: when love becomes the aim, the room changes. https://drrobinbraun.comhttps://integratedlifestrategies.comclick for link to book-Living Like a Son Book -https://amzn.to/4pZMLyZclick for link to book - Thrive -https://amzn.to/4aGDYNN Missions Robin mentioned- https://www.thriveholistichealingministries.com/get-involved Timestamps:00:00:51 Topic stages of maturity and introduce Dr. Robin Braun00:03:14 Brandon frames the “maturity crisis” as more than doctrine00:05:37 Robin connects stages of faith to deprogramming beliefs and father wounds00:07:56 Robin’s background and early foundation God as a loving Father00:10:13 Early supernatural encounters and pursuing theology from intimacy00:12:35 Realizing theological ambiguity and why it forces relationship00:14:56 Why some deconstruct and don’t come back relationship vs rule system00:17:14 Jen asks for a clear framework of the stages00:19:25 Stages two and three described tribe shifts and conflict00:21:37 Stage four deconstruction and moving toward love00:24:01 Holding beliefs loosely and dignity to disagree00:26:20 Can people shift stages across seasons and areas of life00:28:46 Practical wisdom don’t respond online in heightened emotion00:30:50 Brandon shares his own rock bottom deconstruction story00:32:50 Jen’s puzzle piece analogy for faith and fringe experiences00:35:11 Limiting beliefs ant and spider circle illustration00:37:28 Robin’s four stages of healing framework00:39:39 Brandon on both and not either or and navigating gray00:42:04 Rewriting history theology shifts and removal of miracle accounts00:44:31 Rick Warren example and fallout of doctrinal dogmatism00:46:52 Bill Gothard and patriarchy damage performance culture00:49:08 What changes when disagreements don’t transform anyone00:51:33 How hyper performance creates self hatred and fear00:53:48 Robin shares marriage story boundaries release and recompense00:56:12 Nothing is wasted redemption and compassion formed through suffering00:58:32 Brandon on mystery sacramental worldview and trust01:00:43 Heart mind alignment trust vs belief and inner wiring01:03:03 Porto illustration and carrying beliefs into the heart01:05:28 Encouragement for listeners faith shifting as growth not loss01:07:51 Practical next steps find guides get healing rebuild relationship01:10:15 Robin shares websites training and nonprofit support work01:12:29 Where to start drrobinbraun.com vs integratedlifestrategies.com01:14:48 Taking back tools mislabeling everything as new age01:17:10 Robin prays over listeners and the church

    1h 19m
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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  • Creator
    Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    173
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © Unrefined LLC
  • Show Website
    Unrefined Podcast .com

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