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Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?

    5d ago

    E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?

    Every once in a while, we revisit an older conversation and realize that it may be even more relevant today than when we first recorded it. That is exactly how I feel about this episode with Nathan Zieber, a pastor, former private investigator, and former investigator with MUFON Canada. Nathan has been called the “Paranormal Pastor” because of his willingness to enter communities that many Christians either fear, dismiss, or simply do not understand. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Rewinding a Conversation That Still Matters02:00 How MUFON Investigates UFO Reports05:00 From Bible School to Paranormal Investigation08:00 Christians in Supernatural and Justice Communities10:00 Why the Church Avoids Paranormal Conversations11:00 Are Aliens Extraterrestrial or Interdimensional?14:00 Developing a Heart for People on the Fringe16:00 When UFO Culture Becomes a Religion17:00 UFO Disclosure, UAPs, and Possible Smokescreens21:00 Using UFO Conversations to Open Gospel Doors24:00 Salvations Within the Paranormal Community26:00 Why Spiritually Curious People Need Compassion29:00 Discipleship, Patience, and Messy Transformation31:00 UFOs, Eschatology, and the Last Days33:00 CE5, Summoning UFOs, and False Saviors36:00 Transhumanism, DNA, and the Mark of the Beast39:00 Investigating a Mysterious Cattle Mutilation43:00 Nathan’s Terrifying Shadow Encounter45:00 The Name of Jesus and Alien Encounters47:00 How Christians Can Minister on the Fringe50:00 Jesus Was a Friend of Sinners52:00 What It Means to Be Naturally Supernatural53:00 Becoming a Church Made of Small Communities

    1 hr
  2. E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink

    Jun 8

    E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink

    Most people don’t realize how much of life is driven by what the heart has come to believe. Fear, anxiety, bitterness, peace, hope, and faith are not just passing emotions — they are often connected to deep stories we have accepted as reality. In this episode, Brandon welcomes back Jennifer Johnson for a deeply honest and practical conversation about trading fear for faith. Jennifer shares the story of a devastating church situation that left her family with financial debt, relational loss, disappointment, and a future that looked nothing like what she had planned. Website: JJohnsoncoach.com  Timestamps:03:12 — Fear, Faith, and Responding from Love05:32 — The Church Crisis That Changed Everything07:52 — Debt, Betrayal, and Hard Decisions10:17 — Losing a Father Figure and a Church Family12:36 — Forgiveness, Integrity, and Being Left Behind14:57 — When Life Becomes Something You Didn’t Choose17:19 — Why Spiritual Bypassing Can Hurt19:41 — The Beliefs Beneath the Thoughts21:59 — How Beliefs Begin Directing Behavior24:20 — How to Stop the Pain and Heart Transformation26:43 — Is Fear the Opposite of Faith?29:11 — If You Can Fear, You Can Faith31:22 — Trusting the Promise, Surrendering the Process33:34 — The Cycle of Thought, Evidence, Emotion, and Belief35:56 — Looking for Evidence of God’s Goodness38:21 — Walking Through the Valley Without Fear40:30 — God’s Discipline as Loving Course Correction42:58 — Hope, Faith, and Choosing Where to Look45:21 — Learning to Trust the One Who Catches You47:47 — Faith Is Substance, Not Denial50:09 — Practical Heart Meditation Begins52:22 — Letting Jesus Lead the Heart54:50 — Chosen Before the Foundation of the World56:56 — Receiving a New Name58:55 — Remembering You Are on His Team01:00:56 — Choosing a New Inner Reality01:03:07 — Faith Instead of Fear01:04:27 — Simple, But Not Easy01:05:10 — Jennifer’s Coaching and Meditation Mondays

    1h 9m
  3. E210 The Ancient Pattern Behind Artificial Intelligence

    Jun 1

    E210 The Ancient Pattern Behind Artificial Intelligence

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy and Heard welcome author and researcher Ryan Pitterson for a wild but Scripture-centered conversation on artificial intelligence, ancient rebellion, and the war over humanity. Ryan is known for his work on the Nephilim, Genesis 6, biblical prophecy, and the supernatural worldview of Scripture.  The conversation begins with Ryan sharing his story, from growing up in New York City and pursuing law and politics, to being awakened to Bible prophecy and eventually writing on the Nephilim. From there, the episode moves into Genesis, Revelation, AI, transhumanism, the image of the beast, the mark, Babel, and the danger of technology becoming a counterfeit discipler. Ryan asserts that the Bible gives us patterns, and that what happened in the beginning often foreshadows what comes at the end. He connects the corruption of the image of God in Genesis 6 with modern attempts to redefine humanity through technology, artificial intelligence, genetic manipulation, and spiritual deception. The episode gets practical. Brandon asks how believers should use AI without being discipled by it. Ryan talks about discernment, boundaries, and the difference between using AI as a tool and turning to it for guidance, identity, intimacy, or spiritual direction. This is not a fear-based episode. It is a call to stay awake, stay grounded in Christ, walk in love, and recognize that the gospel is still the answer in a world racing toward counterfeit immortality, counterfeit wisdom, and counterfeit salvation. Links to books:Judgment of the Nephilim The Final Nephilim The Earth Before AdamTimestamps:00:00:51 Brandon introduces AI as a possible ancient pattern repeating00:03:11 Ryan Pitterson shares his background and spiritual upbringing00:05:33 How end-times ministry and Genesis 6 changed Ryan’s direction00:07:54 The preparation for Christ and the preparation for Antichrist00:10:24 Ryan introduces The Earth Before Adam and quantum repetition00:12:36 Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the possibility of an ancient judgment00:14:55 The Hebrew word hayah and the idea that the earth became void00:17:17 Jeremiah 4 and Ryan’s case for a pre-Adamic judgment00:19:39 Lucifer’s throne commerce and ancient civilization00:22:02 AI as a repeat of ancient technology and spiritual rebellion00:24:22 The image of the beast surveillance worship and compliance

    23 min
  4. E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

    May 25

    E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

    Somewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart. In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place. Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters. Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen. https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comhttps://youtube.com/@christcenteredtribe?si=PVPbOe2Zh-NdH3V6 Timestamps00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework 00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life 00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God 00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity 00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition 00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central 00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick 00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters 00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm 00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us 00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present 00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led 00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness 00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time 00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God 00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God 00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship 00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination 00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart 00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation 00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying 00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit 00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in 00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies 00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God 00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices 00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading 00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club 01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination 01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart 01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study 01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself 01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch 01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements 01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement

    1h 19m
  5. E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

    May 18

    E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories? In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite. The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double. The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations. This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.” https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans 00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode 00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles 00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker 00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural 00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions 00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities 00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity 00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double 00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid 00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery 00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family 00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle 00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition 00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles 00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation 00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box 00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself 00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap 00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger 00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation 00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters 00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne 00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit 00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe 00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions 00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double 00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

    54 min
  6. E207 Why Giants Matter

    May 11

    E207 Why Giants Matter

    In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ. Timestamps:00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically 00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts 00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation 00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation 00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected 00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization 00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift 00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter 00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption 00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation 00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text 00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics 00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture 00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation 00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods 00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus 00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah 00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements 00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah 00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation 00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history 00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation 00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship 00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern 00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations 00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods 00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28 01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers 01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism 01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son 01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology 01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology 01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers 01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education 01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

    1h 21m
  7. E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything

    May 4

    E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comIn this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist. Timestamps:00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice

    2 min
  8. E205 Battle for Your Soul

    Apr 27

    E205 Battle for Your Soul

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Today's guest shares a redemption story that runs through childhood spiritual sensitivity, occult deception, counterfeit supernatural power, and a real encounter with Jesus that changed everything. This episode moves from dark spiritual territory into healing, deliverance, identity, and the power of Christ to restore what the enemy tried to claim.  Brandon chats with Wendy Sadd. https://radiantwellnesshudson.com/Wendy's Book Timestamps:00:03:10 Bloodlines, trauma, iniquity, and the blood of Jesus00:08:02 The church to cauldron pipeline00:12:39 Pennsylvania roots, church history, and Masonic ties in the bloodline00:14:55 Childhood demonic encounters and early spiritual sensitivity00:17:58 Scrying, automatic writing, and early occult behavior00:20:20 The voice at sixteen and the prophecy that marked her path00:27:24 Turning 42, getting red-pilled, and starting the search for God00:29:35 Why spiritually hungry people can drift into counterfeit power00:34:24 Under the tutelage of occult teachers and a New Age walk-in00:39:02 Light body activation and astral travel00:41:18 A face to face encounter with another Jesus00:47:59 Spiritual interference during the recording and live prayer00:52:31 Reiki, yoga, worship, and the body in spiritual practice00:59:25 Reiki training and demonic beings attached to healing sessions01:01:46 The Lords of Karma and the Akashic records01:04:15 Council encounter and fear in meditation01:07:42 Night terror, levitation, and angelic intervention01:08:52 God begins pulling Wendy out of the occult01:12:55 Seeing what was operating behind an occult mentor01:19:39 Repentance, burning occult objects, and returning to Jesus01:26:22 Nigerian prayer warrior, spiritual authority, and bloodline warfare01:28:45 Instant healing of a lump at a conference01:32:11 Grocery store word of knowledge and healing testimony01:36:30 Warning a former friend to repent and close the door01:38:24 Yeti encounter near Pilot Mountain01:49:58 The danger of fear based spiritual legalism01:52:26 Freedom in Jesus for people trapped in the occult01:54:43 Romans 8 and the invitation to come home to Christ01:56:56 Next steps for new believers coming out of the occult

    2 hr
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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  • Creator
    Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    189
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Unrefined LLC
  • Show Website
    Unrefined Podcast .com

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