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Brandon Spain and The Unrefined Crew

What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. Sep 28

    E227 Finis?

    After four years, hundreds of conversations, strange rabbit trails, incredible guests, Bigfoot, Laurel Canyon, spiritual warfare, liminal spaces, theology, heart transformation—and more than a few things we still can’t explain—the Unrefined Podcast is signing off. For this final episode, Brandon is joined by Lindsy and Sandy to look back at how a couple of weird conversations became a podcast, how “Stairs in the Woods” helped launch the whole thing, and how years of exploring the seen and unseen changed the way they see the world, faith, people, and even themselves. They revisit some favorite episodes and guests, remember what happened behind the scenes, talk about the danger of going too far down the rabbit hole, and reflect on one of the biggest lessons Unrefined taught them: listen to people’s stories, hold some opinions loosely, leave room for mystery, and stay anchored to Jesus. But this isn’t simply about looking backward. Somewhere along the way, the conversation became a journey. The podcast may be ending, but “Unrefined” was never really about a podcast—or even the strange subjects they explored. It was about imperfect people willing to ask questions, grow, change their minds, and discover what all this information actually means for the way we live. So for now, we conclude our broadcast day. Good night, everybody. https://unrefined.life 00:01:41 – We Now Conclude Our Broadcast Day 00:03:50 – How Did Unrefined Even Get Started? 00:05:53 – Stairs in the Woods: Where It All Began 00:08:35 – When the Weirdness Started Getting Real 00:10:49 – How the Podcast Changed the Way We See the World 00:12:02 – Bigfoot, Cryptids & Opening Up to Possibility 00:13:40 – A Bigger, More Complex Spiritual Realm 00:15:32 – When the Supernatural Becomes Personal 00:16:54 – Strong Opinions Held Loosely 00:20:05 – Exploring Without Sensationalizing 00:21:15 – The Episode That Almost Got Us Kicked Off YouTube 00:22:22 – Where the Old Episodes Will Live 00:23:46 – What Do We Do With Everything We Learned? 00:24:38 – Listen to People’s Stories Before Judging Them 00:27:50 – Nancy, Laurel Canyon & the Power of Telling Your Story 00:28:56 – Looking Back at the Laurel Canyon Rabbit Hole 00:30:25 – Behind the Scenes: The Episodes You Never Heard 00:31:43 – Sandy, Editing & Four Years Behind the Curtain 00:32:43 – Lindsy Confesses He’s Been AI the Whole Time 00:34:19 – Coast to Coast & Other Early Influences 00:35:00 – From Cryptids to Discipleship: Why Unrefined Was Different 00:36:33 – The People and Friendships That Made It Worth It 00:37:03 – When the Podcast Started Losing Its Shine 00:38:55 – The Danger of Going Too Far Down the Rabbit Hole 00:39:55 – What “Unrefined” Has Really Meant All Along 00:41:20 – From a Conversation to a Journey 00:42:14 – What Happens Next for Unrefined? 00:43:00 – The End of the Unrefined Podcast

    E227 Finis?
  2. Sep 21

    E226 The Evidence Your Heart Is Collecting

    What if your heart was designed to experience God—not just know about Him?  Brandon welcomes certified Heart Physics coach Jennifer Johnson back to Unrefined for a practical conversation about moving from fear to faith and from simply knowing biblical truth intellectually to actually believing and living from it in the heart. Jennifer shares personal stories involving fear, relationships, forgiveness, family struggles, healing, and the hidden beliefs that can quietly shape our reactions and circumstances. Together they explore how repeated thoughts and emotions persuade the heart, why circumstances often expose what we genuinely believe, and how renewing the mind becomes an intentional process of gathering new evidence around the truth of God’s Word. They also unpack Dr. Jim Richards’ Heart Physics approach, including Essential Heart Physics, relaxation, meditation, the “secret place,” community, and learning to encounter God at the heart level. The central challenge is simple but profound: we are always persuading our hearts of something—so what are we persuading them to believe? Monday Meditation with Jennifer on zoom (free) @11am CST Monday's Replays on Youtube https://www.jjohnsoncoach.com/ Essential Heart Physics-Enroll in 1 month program- $29 Timestamps 00:00:04 – How Do You Persuade Your Heart? 00:00:41 – Welcome Back Jennifer Johnson 00:02:00 – From Fear to Faith 00:05:20 – Building an Illusion & Gathering Evidence 00:07:40 – How Thoughts Become Heart Beliefs 00:10:03 – Forgiveness: Head Knowledge vs. Heart Knowledge 00:12:21 – Sending Away the Pain 00:14:42 – When “Fear Not” Becomes Real 00:17:03 – Trusting God With Your Children 00:19:15 – When God Exposes What the Heart Really Believes 00:21:38 – Getting Real With God Without Shame 00:24:05 – Brandon’s Journey Out of Religiosity 00:26:17 – What Does It Mean to Persuade Your Heart? 00:28:44 – How One Thought Becomes a Train of Thoughts 00:31:07 – Religious Worrying & Collecting Evidence Against God 00:33:10 – Mental Assent vs. Genuine Heart Belief 00:35:24 – Healing, Pain & “Help My Unbelief” 00:37:49 – Renewing the Mind Thought by Thought 00:40:06 – Transformation Takes Effort 00:42:30 – Secondary Gain & Hidden Heart Beliefs 00:44:53 – You’re Always Persuading Your Heart 00:47:16 – When Your First Reaction Begins to Change 00:48:00 – What Is Heart Physics? 00:49:26 – Essential Heart Physics & Heart Work 00:51:44 – Why Essential Heart Physics Comes First 00:54:03 – The Secret Place & Experiencing God 00:56:06 – Jennifer’s Final Challenge & Prayer

    E226 The Evidence Your Heart Is Collecting
  3. Sep 14

    E225 A Pioneer's Journey

    Brandon and Lindsy invite Britton Smith, host of Pastor to Pioneer to share his journey from traditional church leadership into simple church and disciple-making movements—and the deeper transformation he discovered along the way. Britton opens up about the personal cost of leaving the institutional model, the impact on his marriage and identity, and the realization that simply changing church structures and discipleship tools doesn’t necessarily change the heart. The conversation explores performance-based Christianity, relational discipleship, dependence on the Holy Spirit, and the difference between doing the right things and actually becoming more like Jesus. Britton also shares a powerful supernatural encounter from his years in ministry and explains why true pioneering begins with what God is doing within us.to share his journey from traditional church leadership into simple church and disciple-making movements—and the deeper transformation he discovered along the way. Britton opens up about the personal cost of leaving the institutional model, the impact on his marriage and identity, and the realization that simply changing church structures and discipleship tools doesn’t necessarily change the heart. The conversation explores performance-based Christianity, relational discipleship, dependence on the Holy Spirit, and the difference between doing the right things and actually becoming more like Jesus. Britton also shares a powerful supernatural encounter from his years in ministry and explains why true pioneering begins with what God is doing within us. https://pastortopioneer.com/ Timestamps  00:02:50 – Britton’s Journey   00:05:19 – Discovering the Supernatural  00:07:40 – An Unexpected Deliverance Encounter  00:09:43 – Are We Actually Making Disciples?  00:11:13 – Experimenting With House Church  00:13:37 – Discovering DMM & a Different Approach  00:15:55 – Why Changing the Model Wasn’t Enough  00:18:20 – COVID Exposes Dependency in the Church  00:20:47 – Church Split & Losing 90% of the Congregation  00:22:47 – Learning to Be the Church Without the Leaders  00:24:59 – Beyond Changing Models & Methods  00:27:26 – Marriage, Ministry & Facing His Own Brokenness  00:29:30 – When Ministry Relationships Become Transactional  00:31:54 – Realizing You Can’t Change People  00:34:16 – DMM Tools Without Heart Transformation  00:36:40 – Relational vs. Programmed Disciple Making  00:38:50 – Following Jesus Without Forcing the Outcome  00:41:11 – Are We Making Disciples or Gospel Spreaders?  00:43:30 – How Does Real Spiritual Maturity Happen?  00:45:50 – Obedience as Fruit, Not the Mechanism  00:48:09 – Identity After Leaving the Church System  00:50:12 – The Idol of Impact  00:52:35 – The Story Behind Pastor to Pioneer  00:55:01 – Helping Others Navigate the Transition  00:57:29 – The Internal Journey of a Pioneer  00:59:51 – The Wilderness Between Pastor and Pioneer  01:02:13 – A Powerful Lesson About God’s Love  01:04:17 – Britton’s Wildest Supernatural Encounter  01:06:39 – The Power Is in Jesus’ Name, Not Your Volume  01:09:01 – An Angel With a Flaming Sword  01:11:26 – Bringing Heart Transformation Into Discipleship  01:13:48 – You Can’t Give What You Don’t Have

    E225 A Pioneer's Journey
  4. Sep 7

    E224 Get Out of the Locker Room! Jesus Wants Us in the Game

    What happens when following Jesus becomes more about maintaining the institution than actually being the body of Christ? Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Jonathan Brenneman for a provocative conversation about church, authority, leadership, supernatural ministry, and the difference between spectator Christianity and active discipleship. Drawing from his years of missionary work in Brazil, Jonathan shares stories of healings, deliverance, evangelism, and encounters with the Holy Spirit that often happen far outside traditional church services—in homes, neighborhoods, recovery houses, restaurants, barbecues, and everyday life. Together they challenge hierarchical models of church leadership and explore what the New Testament actually portrays when believers gather: shared meals, dialogue, spiritual gifts, mutual edification, and the participation of the whole body. The conversation moves into tithing, institutional structures, servant leadership, the priesthood of all believers, women in ministry, house churches, spiritual authority, and the dangers of allowing tradition or position to become more authoritative than Scripture. Ultimately, Jonathan calls believers not simply to leave something behind, but to recover a participatory Christianity where every believer is equipped to follow Jesus, serve others, speak the Word, and carry the presence and power of God into ordinary life. Website/blog: GoToHeavenNow.com Email: Jonathan@GoToHeavenNow.com Timestamps 00:00:28 – Welcome Back Jonathan Brenneman  00:02:27 – From Missions to Rethinking Church  00:04:55 – Healing, Miracles & Life Outside the Program  00:07:20 – Tithing, Grace & Leaving Institutional Expectations  00:09:41 – Ministry in the Streets of Brazil  00:12:00 – Manipulation, Money & the Spirit of Religion  00:14:22 – When Church Consumes the Mission  00:16:38 – Moving from Spectator to Participant  00:18:59 – The 59 “One Another” Commands  00:21:25 – Spiritual Gifts Around the Table  00:23:51 – Why Every Member Matters  00:26:10 – Rethinking Leadership & Authority  00:28:31 – Servant Leadership and Decentralized Church  00:33:16 – Does Authority Come from Position?  00:35:38 – Miracles Outside the Church Walls  00:37:57 – Is Revival Simply Normal Christianity?  00:40:16 – Receiving Jesus Through His Body  00:42:42 – Does Restricting Participation Quench the Spirit?  00:45:04 – Love, Miracles & Everyday Evangelism  00:47:25 – Evangelism at Carnival  00:49:43 – From Miracles to Making Disciples  00:52:07 – Worship, Friendship & Christian Community  00:54:29 – House Church, Heresy & Hierarchical Control  00:58:47 – Why Participation Helps Test Teaching  01:00:32 – Leaving Without Becoming Bitter  01:02:47 – Finding Biblical Fellowship  01:05:06 – Women and the Priesthood of All Believers  01:09:46 – Do Women Have a Priestly Duty to Speak?  01:11:58 – Women, Authority & Difficult New Testament Passages  01:14:21 – Phoebe, Junia & Women in Leadership  01:16:39 – Why Jesus Appeared First to Women  01:19:01 – Church History vs. the Teaching of Jesus  01:21:26 – Tradition, Scripture & Institutional Drift  01:23:49 – Religion vs. Relationship  01:25:52 – A Call Back to Participatory Christianity  01:28:17 – Jonathan’s Resources & Closing

    E224 Get Out of the Locker Room! Jesus Wants Us in the Game
  5. Aug 31

    E223 [Rewind] Marked by His Presence

    What if the greatest evidence of spiritual maturity isn’t how much theology we know, but how deeply we love God and the people around us? Brandon and Lindsy sit down with Dr. Rob Reimer, author of The Tenderness of Jesus and Soul Care, for a deeply personal conversation about encountering Jesus beyond doctrine. Rob shares his dramatic conversion, his experience through a nine-month “dark night of the soul,” and how seasons of suffering and surrender reshaped his understanding of intimacy with God. Together they explore the tenderness of Jesus, God’s sovereignty and human freedom, dying to self, authentic humility, religious performance, soul care, and why biblical knowledge must become lived transformation. Rob also shares the story behind The Tenderness of Jesus, written originally for his own children, and explains why the cross and eternity provide essential lenses for understanding God’s goodness amid suffering. The conversation closes with recommended classics on spiritual formation, a remarkable healing story from Brazil, and a prayer that we would become people unmistakably marked by having been with Jesus. https://renewalinternational.org/ Rob's book-https://amzn.to/46nj1nz Timestamps 00:00:05 – Do You Love God and People More?  00:00:43 – Introducing Dr. Rob Reimer  00:03:06 – Rob’s Background and the Christian & Missionary Alliance  00:05:29 – A Life-Changing Encounter with Jesus  00:07:53 – Brandon’s Dark Night of the Soul  00:09:46 – What the Dark Night of the Soul Really Means  00:12:13 – Revival, Character and Dying to Self  00:14:32 – When the Presence of God Returned  00:16:56 – Sovereignty, Freedom and Human Choice  00:19:19 – God’s Goodness in a Broken World  00:21:40 – The Story Behind The Tenderness of Jesus 00:23:59 – Writing to the Ones You Love About the One You Love 00:26:19 – Soul Care, Freedom and Fullness in Christ 00:28:39 – Emptying the Soul Before Filling It 00:30:43 – Knowledge vs. Actual Spiritual Maturity 00:33:05 – The Religious Spirit and the Condition of the Heart 00:35:32 – Self-Focus, Ministry and Becoming Obsessed with Jesus 00:37:38 – Authentic Humility and Weakness 00:39:44 – Seeing God Through the Cross and Eternity 00:42:07 – Suffering, Homesickness and Our Eternal Citizenship 00:43:59 – Tenderness, Intimacy and the Holiness of God 00:46:00 – Why God’s Love Leads to Transformation 00:48:18 – Jesus’ Tenderness Toward Sinners 00:50:41 – The Cross, Love and Dying to Self 00:53:07 – Rob’s Favorite Classic Soul-Care Books 00:55:14 – Ancient and Modern Spiritual Formation Resources 00:57:36 – Theology, Encounter and Knowing Jesus 00:59:53 – A Remarkable Healing in Brazil 01:02:09 – Where to Find Rob and Closing Prayer

    E223 [Rewind] Marked by His Presence
  6. Aug 24

    E222 Catching the Wave of Frequency

    What if Christians didn’t have to choose between rejecting everything that sounds “New Age” and blindly accepting every alternative-health trend? Brandon sits down with biblical naturopathic doctor and frequency health strategist Dr. Brenda Chamness of Shalom Holistic Health for a wide-ranging conversation about frequency, bioresonance, holistic health, trauma, emotions, the biofield, muscle response testing, PEMF, red light, and other frequency-based modalities. Brenda shares her own remarkable journey through stage-four cancer and how it reshaped her understanding of the interconnectedness of spirit, soul, and body. Together they explore how Christians can distinguish between the properties of creation and claims of spiritual power, why fear is a poor substitute for discernment, and how identity, thought patterns, emotional health, and knowing God's voice fit into genuine wholeness. Ultimately, the conversation returns again and again to shalom: not chasing modalities as the answer, but learning to use available tools while remaining grounded in God's love, truth, and leading. https://www.infopathy.com/?invite=250725636 https://www.shalomholistichealth.com/ 00:00:41 — Introducing Frequency, Holistic Health & Christian Discernment 00:03:07 — Dr. Bren's Journey into Naturopathic Health 00:05:30 — Cancer, Rife Therapy & Discovering Frequency 00:09:45 — Shalom: Healing the Whole Person 00:14:21 — Spirit, Soul & Body: Why Everything Is Connected 00:18:31 — What Is Frequency? 00:20:31 — Light, Sound & Frequency in the Human Body 00:24:36 — Getting to the Root Causes of Dysfunction 00:26:13 — Identity, Shame, Unworthiness & the Love of God 00:28:21 — Looking for Healing in the Wrong Places 00:30:43 — Bioresonance & Finding the Right Modality 00:33:11 — The Problem with Compartmentalized Medicine 00:37:59 — Alternative Medicine, Creation & the Western Mindset 00:42:23 — Thoughts, the Subconscious & Physical Health 00:44:18 — Discernment Without Fear 00:47:28 — Learning to Recognize God's Voice 00:49:17 — The Biofield, Energy & Muscle Response Testing 00:53:54 — Remote Testing, Neutrality & Quantum Entanglement 00:56:00 — How Other People's "Fields" Affect Us 00:58:28 — Ancient Spiritual Practices & Modern Science 01:00:46 — Frequency, Entrainment & the Body 01:03:06 — Properties vs. Powers: A Christian Boundary for Discernment 01:05:17 — Crystals, Metals & the Properties of Creation 01:07:15 — EMFs, Frequency & the Modern Environment 01:09:34 — Harmonizing EMFs & Looking at the Fruit 01:11:43 — Thoughts, Emotions & Your "Internal Pharmacy" 01:14:11 — The Placebo Effect & the Body's Capacity to Heal 01:16:31 — Brenda's Cancer Story & a Supernatural Encounter 01:20:15 — When Healing Tools Become Idols 01:22:37 — Making Informed Choices About Treatment 01:27:31 — Cancer Returns & Hearing God's Direction 01:31:26 — Mindset, Emotions & Healing 01:33:49 — Bringing Fear, Anger & Disappointment to God 01:36:14 — Knowing God's Voice in an Age of Deception 01:38:10 — Biblical Principles as a Plumb Line 01:40:29 — When Healing Becomes "Spiritual Archaeology" 01:42:54 — Simplicity, the Courts of Heaven & Religious Complexity 01:45:15 — When Protocols Replace Trust 01:48:26 — Fear, Emotional Frequency & the Body 01:50:48 — The Spirit of Truth vs. the Fear of Deception 01:52:45 — Grace, Identity & Living as Sons and Daughters 01:55:11 — Receiving God's Love Before Giving It Away 01:57:04 — Shalom Holistic Health & Brenda's Approach 01:59:16 — Frequency Modalities & Infopathy 02:01:42 — Walking in Shalom in a Chaotic World 02:04:01 — Why "Good Vibes" Aren't Enough 02:06:01 — Some Things May Be Fine—but Not Fine for You

    E222 Catching the Wave of Frequency
  7. Aug 17

    E221 [Rewind] What If the Real Battle Is What You Believe?

    Brandon and Lindsy welcome Vicki Joy Anderson back to continue their conversation on spiritual warfare—but once again, the discussion takes an unexpected turn. Rather than focusing on dramatic demonic encounters, they explore the quieter battlefield of confusion, spiritual fatigue, distraction, and false doctrine. The conversation moves through discernment, the dangers of chasing fringe topics for fascination, the responsibility of Christian teachers and podcasters, the gospel of the Kingdom, Gnosticism in modern Christianity, the meaning of ekklesia, and what Scripture actually presents as humanity’s ultimate hope. Throughout, they emphasize testing what we believe, keeping Jesus at the center, and recognizing that deceptive doctrine may be one of the most subtle forms of spiritual warfare. They Only Come Out At Night Book From Eden to AI Book https://www.vickijoyanderson.com/ Her mom's book! Harps Unhung-->https://amzn.to/4wqqgpt https://instagram.com/vickijoyauthor 00:03:00 – Ephesians 6 & the Armor of God 00:05:13 – Two Extremes of Spiritual Warfare 00:07:31 – The Covert Battlefield: Confusion & False Doctrine 00:09:55 – Testing the Spirits & Discernment 00:12:19 – Battle Fatigue, Thoughts & the Domino Effect 00:14:39 – Fringe Fascination, “Fluff” & Red-Pill Overdose 00:17:05 – When Exploring Darkness Serves the Gospel 00:19:21 – The Temptation of Sensationalism in Podcasting 00:21:46 – Teachers, Influencers & Greater Accountability 00:24:10 – The Unseen Impact of Faithfulness 00:28:52 – Bad Teaching & Real-World Consequences 00:31:16 – Have Christians Inherited Bad Theology? 00:33:35 – Jesus, the Road to Emmaus & Discipleship 00:35:55 – The Simplicity of the Gospel 00:38:15 – What Actually Unites the Church? 00:40:38 – The Gospel of Salvation vs. the Gospel of the Kingdom 00:43:04 – Covenant, Allegiance & What It Means to Follow Jesus 00:45:29 – Gnosticism & the Christian View of the World 00:47:46 – Ekklesia: Church, Assembly or Government? 00:50:10 – Why the New Testament Confronts Gnosticism 00:52:29 – Resurrection, the Body & Becoming Fully Human 00:54:42 – Eden, the New Earth & Humanity’s Future 00:57:08 – Rethinking Hell, Heaven & Human Destiny 00:59:32 – Are We Really Going to Spend Eternity in Heaven? 01:02:00 – The New Creation as God’s Temple 01:04:20 – Ancient Context & the Layers Added to Christianity 01:06:38 – False Doctrine as Spiritual Warfare 01:09:01 – Vicki’s Books & Where to Find Her

    E221 [Rewind] What If the Real Battle Is What You Believe?
  8. Aug 10

    E220 When Imagination Re-Enchants the World

    Author Heather L. L. Fitzgerald joins Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen to explore the redemptive power of fantasy, storytelling, and imagination. Heather shares the inspiration behind The Tethered World Chronicles, a Christian fantasy series filled with Bigfoot, giants, hidden realms, family, faith, and adventure. The conversation examines the lingering effects of the satanic panic, the difference between discernment and fear, and whether Christians can engage fantasy without embracing the darkness sometimes associated with it. Brandon also shares how fantasy literature helped him through depression, restored his sense of wonder, and reawakened his belief in a supernatural God. From Narnia and Harry Potter to fairy lore, the Nephilim, childlike faith, creativity, and imposter syndrome, this episode considers how good stories can open our eyes to hope, beauty, courage, and the larger story God is telling. https://www.heatherllfitzgerald.com/ Amazon link to the series: http://tiny.cc/ett7101 Link to Realm Makers https://www.bookishkop.com/ blog post mentioned about fantasy  Timestamps 00:00:06 – Good Fantasy, Hope, and Seeing Beyond the Present  00:00:28 – Introducing Heather L. L. Fitzgerald  00:03:12 – The Tethered World Chronicles Explained  00:05:06 – Bigfoot, Hidden Realms, Giants, and Eden  00:06:49 – Growing Up During the Satanic Panic  00:10:03 – How Heather’s Family Inspired the Books  00:14:55 – Christian Pushback Against Fantasy  00:17:59 – Good Nephilim and David’s Mighty Men  00:20:48 – Fantasy as a Parable on Steroids  00:23:42 – Fairy Bread and Gifts from the Fae  00:25:39 – Discernment, Convictions, and Gray Areas  00:26:51 – Harry Potter, Darkness, and Redemptive Themes  00:31:54 – Spell Books, Superheroes, and Christian Hypocrisy  00:35:37 – How Fantasy Helped Brandon Survive Depression  00:38:00 – Rediscovering the Supernatural Through Stories  00:40:09 – How Fantasy Made the Bible Feel Real Again  00:42:18 – Fantasy, Childlike Faith, and C. S. Lewis  00:44:07 – Joy, Nostalgia, and Eating the Meat  00:45:11 – Stories as a Framework for Wonder  00:46:46 – Phones, Doomscrolling, and the Loss of Imagination  00:47:34 – Jesus as the Ultimate Storyteller  00:48:58 – Writing, Creativity, and Imposter Syndrome  00:52:27 – Spiritual Themes Heather Discovered After Writing  00:53:02 – Writing the Third Book with God  00:56:35 – Heather’s Favorite Book in the Series  01:01:27 – Advice for Aspiring Fantasy Writers  01:03:03 – Realm Makers and Christian Speculative Fiction  01:04:23 – Becoming Who God Says You Are  01:06:31 – What Heather Is Writing Next  01:08:38 – The C. S. Lewis Writers Conference  01:10:35 – Where to Find Heather and Her Books  01:11:05 – A Future Narnia-Inspired Story

    E220 When Imagination Re-Enchants the World
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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