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Brandon Spain and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. 5d ago

    E217 Close Encounters of the Unrefined Kind

    Government hearings. Whistleblowers. UFO disclosure. Alien claims. Christians calling everything demonic. But what if the real answer is far more complicated? Dr. Jonathan Kendall joins Brandon to explore the growing evidence surrounding UFOs and UAPs while challenging the simplistic explanations often offered from every side of the debate. Together they discuss government evidence, consciousness, high strangeness, extradimensional realities, ancient encounters, quantum physics, biblical worldview, and why the phenomenon may force us to rethink how we understand reality itself. Rather than choosing between "aliens" or "demons," this conversation asks whether we've been asking the wrong questions all along. Amazon - New Book https://x.com/JKendallMDhttps://jonathankendallmd.com/ Timestamps:00:28 Introduction and welcome back Dr. Jonathan Kendall 02:41 Jonathan's lifelong interest in UFOs and the paranormal 03:56 His grandfather's mysterious West Virginia UFO encounter 05:27 Has Jonathan ever had a UFO experience himself? 07:20 What convinced him UFOs are a real phenomenon? 09:55 Project Blue Book and the overwhelming evidence 13:31 The strongest evidence for UAPs today 15:37 Government secrecy, disclosure, and finding the truth 17:08 Are we actually moving toward disclosure? 19:14 Extraterrestrial vs. extradimensional vs. spiritual explanations 21:02 Beyond Cartesian dualism: a new way of understanding reality 23:08 The case for the extraterrestrial hypothesis 25:04 Why Jonathan ultimately leans toward the extradimensional view 27:20 Separating genuine encounters from misidentifications 29:28 Super Psi, consciousness, and paranormal experiences 31:49 Why reality isn't simply "either/or" 32:47 Are aliens really demons? 34:37 Logic, conspiracies, and the danger of flattening reality 36:58 Jacques Vallée, Diana Pasulka, and Christian perspectives 39:14 What Jonathan hopes readers take away from his book 40:41 Jinn, fairies, folklore, and ancient parallels 44:00 Biblical examples of the physical and spiritual overlapping 45:55 Time travel, quantum physics, and the transfiguration 47:18 Where to connect with Jonathan and his work 48:04 Thoughts on the new disclosure movie 49:11 "We need to get away from the idea that UFOs are demons." 49:56 Jonathan's final encouragement to Christians

    E217 Close Encounters of the Unrefined Kind

  2. Jul 6

    E215 The Cost of Forgiveness

    Forgiveness is one of the most necessary parts of the Christian life, but it is also one of the most misunderstood. In this episode, Brandon and Sandy sit down with Dr. Everett Worthington to talk about what forgiveness actually is, what it is not, and why reconciliation is something different altogether. Dr. Worthington shares the tragic story of his mother’s murder and how that moment forced him to live out the very forgiveness he had spent years studying and teaching. The conversation explores decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, rumination, resentment, justice, boundaries, and what happens inside us when unforgiveness takes root. Dr. Worthington also walks through his REACH model and offers practical help for those who feel stuck in pain, anger, or grief. This is a powerful, honest, and hope-filled conversation for anyone wrestling with what it means to forgive without pretending the wound never happened. Ev's Book https://a.co/d/01UMgKXoEv's Website -https://www.evworthington-forgiveness.com/ Timestamps 00:08 Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing 00:28 Welcome to the Unrefined Podcast 00:51 Introducing Dr. Everett Worthington and the topic of forgiveness 03:13 Dr. Worthington’s early work studying forgiveness 05:36 The murder of Dr. Worthington’s mother 07:41 Wrestling with anger after tragedy 10:06 Realizing he had to face forgiveness personally 12:29 Forgiveness does not erase justice 14:56 Defining forgiveness through stress and coping 17:12 Understanding the injustice gap 19:37 Different biblical ways to respond to injustice 21:57 Decisional forgiveness and emotional forgiveness 24:17 Restraint, the brain, and choosing not to retaliate 26:41 The difference between forgiveness and reconciliation 29:00 Boundaries, toxic relationships, and reconciliation 30:22 What it means to love your enemy 32:50 The REACH model of forgiveness 35:12 Giving the gift of forgiveness 37:32 When hurt comes back after forgiving 39:51 Anger, fear, and the body’s protective response 42:14 Rumination and unforgiveness 44:35 Vengeance, grudge-holding, and gender differences 47:02 Decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, and well-being 49:07 Matthew 6 and “forgive to be forgiven” 51:25 Forgiveness, salvation, and God’s judgment 53:51 A word for listeners carrying deep wounds 55:36 Practicing forgiveness over time

    E215 The Cost of Forgiveness

  3. Jun 22

    E213 Can Faith Rewrite What Runs in the Family?

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com What if your family patterns, addictions, fears, and trauma are not the final word? In this episode, Brandon and team talk with Dr. Luman Wing about epigenetics, transgenerational sin, addiction, sanctification, and how the gospel may reach even deeper into our embodied lives than most Christians have imagined. https://amzn.to/3QR8z3H- Dr. Lu's bookhttps://lumanwing.org/ Timestamps:01:00 Introducing Dr. Luman Wing and Genes of Eden 03:00 Lu’s encounter with the Jesus Movement and Lonnie Frisbee 05:00 Science, design, and Dean Kenyon’s classroom moment 07:00 Blood, biochemistry, biotechnology, and gene therapy 08:00 How theology and epigenetics came together 09:00 Epigenetics explained in plain English 12:00 Stress, fear, habits, prayer, and gene expression 13:00 Augustine, Pelagianism, and inherited sin 15:00 Adam, shame, fear, and the transgenerational imprint 17:00 Transformation, neuroplasticity, and becoming new creatures 19:00 Addiction, dopamine, anticipation, and “holy wanting” 21:00 Why Leviticus may be more scientific than we think 23:00 The peace offering, adrenal glands, stress, and surrender 25:00 Heart, mind, soul, brain, and the emotional response 27:00 The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex 31:00 Traducianism, the soul, and inherited human brokenness 34:00 Junk DNA, non-coding RNA, and the mystery of the soul 36:00 Being born again and the mystery of redemption 39:00 Does salvation change us epigenetically? 41:00 Romans 7, Romans 8, and progressive sanctification 44:00 The worm, the butterfly, and imaginal cells 46:00 Trauma, PTSD, the amygdala, and getting stuck in loops 48:00 Reason, revelation, Scripture, and renewing the mind 50:00 Stillness with God as a real mental workout 53:00 Exercise, swimming, bilateral movement, and healing patterns 54:00 Generational curses, inherited patterns, and epigenetics 55:00 Holocaust trauma and transgenerational imprinting 58:00 Forgiveness as a powerful interruptor of inherited trauma 01:00:00 Addiction, family patterns, and why DNA is not destiny 01:03:00 Trauma in family history and what may carry forward 01:05:00 Why there is no single “alcoholism gene” 01:07:00 Practically learning stillness, peace, and emotional regulation 01:09:00 Why Christian fellowship matters biologically and spiritually 01:10:00 Identity, becoming, and Dr. Wing’s next book 01:12:00 Potential, formation, consolidation, and identity 01:16:00 Leviticus, burnt offerings, and absolute surrender 01:18:00 Why science “screams” the glory of God 01:19:00 Lu’s personal testimony of trauma and God’s intervention 01:21:00 Hope for believers stuck in family patterns

    E213 Can Faith Rewrite What Runs in the Family?

  4. Jun 15

    E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?

    Every once in a while, we revisit an older conversation and realize that it may be even more relevant today than when we first recorded it. That is exactly how I feel about this episode with Nathan Zieber, a pastor, former private investigator, and former investigator with MUFON Canada. Nathan has been called the “Paranormal Pastor” because of his willingness to enter communities that many Christians either fear, dismiss, or simply do not understand. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Rewinding a Conversation That Still Matters02:00 How MUFON Investigates UFO Reports05:00 From Bible School to Paranormal Investigation08:00 Christians in Supernatural and Justice Communities10:00 Why the Church Avoids Paranormal Conversations11:00 Are Aliens Extraterrestrial or Interdimensional?14:00 Developing a Heart for People on the Fringe16:00 When UFO Culture Becomes a Religion17:00 UFO Disclosure, UAPs, and Possible Smokescreens21:00 Using UFO Conversations to Open Gospel Doors24:00 Salvations Within the Paranormal Community26:00 Why Spiritually Curious People Need Compassion29:00 Discipleship, Patience, and Messy Transformation31:00 UFOs, Eschatology, and the Last Days33:00 CE5, Summoning UFOs, and False Saviors36:00 Transhumanism, DNA, and the Mark of the Beast39:00 Investigating a Mysterious Cattle Mutilation43:00 Nathan’s Terrifying Shadow Encounter45:00 The Name of Jesus and Alien Encounters47:00 How Christians Can Minister on the Fringe50:00 Jesus Was a Friend of Sinners52:00 What It Means to Be Naturally Supernatural53:00 Becoming a Church Made of Small Communities

    E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?

  5. Jun 8

    E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink

    Most people don’t realize how much of life is driven by what the heart has come to believe. Fear, anxiety, bitterness, peace, hope, and faith are not just passing emotions — they are often connected to deep stories we have accepted as reality. In this episode, Brandon welcomes back Jennifer Johnson for a deeply honest and practical conversation about trading fear for faith. Jennifer shares the story of a devastating church situation that left her family with financial debt, relational loss, disappointment, and a future that looked nothing like what she had planned. Website: JJohnsoncoach.com  Timestamps:03:12 — Fear, Faith, and Responding from Love05:32 — The Church Crisis That Changed Everything07:52 — Debt, Betrayal, and Hard Decisions10:17 — Losing a Father Figure and a Church Family12:36 — Forgiveness, Integrity, and Being Left Behind14:57 — When Life Becomes Something You Didn’t Choose17:19 — Why Spiritual Bypassing Can Hurt19:41 — The Beliefs Beneath the Thoughts21:59 — How Beliefs Begin Directing Behavior24:20 — How to Stop the Pain and Heart Transformation26:43 — Is Fear the Opposite of Faith?29:11 — If You Can Fear, You Can Faith31:22 — Trusting the Promise, Surrendering the Process33:34 — The Cycle of Thought, Evidence, Emotion, and Belief35:56 — Looking for Evidence of God’s Goodness38:21 — Walking Through the Valley Without Fear40:30 — God’s Discipline as Loving Course Correction42:58 — Hope, Faith, and Choosing Where to Look45:21 — Learning to Trust the One Who Catches You47:47 — Faith Is Substance, Not Denial50:09 — Practical Heart Meditation Begins52:22 — Letting Jesus Lead the Heart54:50 — Chosen Before the Foundation of the World56:56 — Receiving a New Name58:55 — Remembering You Are on His Team01:00:56 — Choosing a New Inner Reality01:03:07 — Faith Instead of Fear01:04:27 — Simple, But Not Easy01:05:10 — Jennifer’s Coaching and Meditation Mondays

    E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink

  6. May 25

    E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

    Somewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart. In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place. Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters. Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen. https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comhttps://youtube.com/@christcenteredtribe?si=PVPbOe2Zh-NdH3V6 Timestamps00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework 00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life 00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God 00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity 00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition 00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central 00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick 00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters 00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm 00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us 00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present 00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led 00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness 00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time 00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God 00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God 00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship 00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination 00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart 00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation 00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying 00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit 00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in 00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies 00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God 00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices 00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading 00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club 01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination 01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart 01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study 01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself 01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch 01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements 01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement

    E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God

  7. May 18

    E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories? In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite. The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double. The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations. This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.” https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans 00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode 00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles 00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker 00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural 00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions 00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities 00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity 00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double 00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid 00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery 00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family 00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle 00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition 00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles 00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation 00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box 00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself 00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap 00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger 00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation 00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters 00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne 00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit 00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe 00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions 00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double 00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

    E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human

  8. May 11

    E207 Why Giants Matter

    In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ. Timestamps:00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically 00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts 00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation 00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation 00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected 00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization 00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift 00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter 00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption 00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation 00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text 00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics 00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture 00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation 00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods 00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus 00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah 00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements 00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah 00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation 00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history 00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation 00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship 00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern 00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations 00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods 00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28 01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers 01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism 01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son 01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology 01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology 01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers 01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education 01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

    E207 Why Giants Matter
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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  • Creator
    Brandon Spain and The Unrefined Crew
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    183
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © Unrefined LLC
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    Unrefined Podcast .com

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