Vitalnomics: The Church Vitality Podcast

Gary Moritz and Friends

Welcome to The Church Vitality Podcast, a digital arm of The Church Vitality Network. This podcast is hosted by Dr. Gary Moritz and today's leaders in Church Revitalization. Each podcast is designed to help you think and grow in your leadership.

  1. Sep 15

    AI and the Revitalized Church

    One in three Americans now say they'd trust AI's spiritual guidance as much as their pastor's. Among practicing Christians, that number is a third. Among Millennials, almost half. Only twelve percent of pastors feel ready to even talk about it. In this episode, Gary breaks down what's happening inside our people's minds and inside our churches as AI becomes a daily spiritual companion for millions of Christians. He walks through the MIT study that tracked brain activity in real time and found a measurable cost to letting AI think for us, what researchers call cognitive debt. He unpacks the neuroscience of the amygdala and the prefrontal cortex, the brain's alarm system and its judge, and what happens to both under heavy AI and screen use. Then he flips the script: the same research shows prayer and sustained attention build the exact brain function AI erodes. From there, Gary connects it to a mistake he's seen kill more revitalization efforts than slow decline ever has. Drawing on neuroscientist Iain McGilchrist's research and Harvard professor Arthur Brooks' teaching on it, Gary shows why declining churches keep reaching for complicated fixes, new programs, new systems, new hires, when the real problem is complex: broken trust, an unnamed identity, ungrieved loss. AI is remarkable at complicated. It cannot touch complex. And a leadership team that skips straight to action without doing the relational work first gets a fast, confident fix for the wrong problem. Gary closes with five moves any church can make by Sunday, including one built specifically for leaders carrying a turnaround on a small, exhausted team. This is not a tech episode. It's a discipleship episode, and it might be the one your congregation needs before they hear it somewhere else first. FOOTNOTES / SOURCES [1] Barna Group, in partnership with Gloo. "AI is Becoming a Spiritual Authority, Even Among Practicing Christians." 2026 State of the Church initiative. Surveys of U.S. adults (n=1,514, November 2025) and U.S. Protestant pastors (n=442, December 2025). Released May 2026. barna.com/research/christians-trust-ai-flourishing-spiritual-authority/ [2] Barna Group. "New Research: Pastors Are Using AI More Than You Think." 2026 State of the Church initiative. barna.com/research/pastors-using-ai-ministry/ [3] Barna Group. "New Barna Data: Practicing Christians are Adopting AI Rapidly." 2026 State of the Church initiative, July 2026. barna.com/research/christians-adopting-ai-rapidly/ [4] Barna Group and Gloo. "AI is Becoming a Spiritual Authority in Americans' Lives, New Research Reveals." Released at the National Religious Broadcasters International Christian Media Convention, 2026. gloo.com [5] Kosmyna, N., Hauptmann, E., Yuan, Y.T., Situ, J., Liao, X-H., Beresnitzky, A.V., Braunstein, I., and Maes, P. "Your Brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of Cognitive Debt when Using an AI Assistant for Essay Writing Task." MIT Media Lab. arXiv preprint arXiv:2506.08872, June 2025. media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt/ [6] Obuchi, M. and Huckins, J.F. "Predicting Brain Functional Connectivity Using Mobile Sensing." Proceedings of the ACM on Interactive, Mobile, Wearable and Ubiquitous Technologies, Association for Computing Machinery, 2020. doi.org/10.1145/3381001 [7] Wang, Y-L., Bi, H-Y., Ding, K-M., Zhu, J., Zhao, B., Zhang, D-W., Chang, X-L., Li, G-H., et al. "The relationship between abnormalities in amygdala functional connectivity and emotion regulation difficulties in problematic smartphone users." BMC Psychology, 14(1):240, January 23, 2026. doi.org/10.1186/s40359-026-04008-4 [8] Folk, D. and Dunn, E. "How Does Turning to AI for Companionship Predict Loneliness and Vice Versa?" Psychological Science, 37(4), 276-286, April 2026. doi.org/10.1177/09567976261427747 [9] Zhang, Y., Zhao, D., and Yang, D., et al. Study on AI companion use, self-disclosure, and loneliness among Character.AI users, conducted in the lab of Diyi Yang, Department of Computer Science, Stanford University. Published in Nature Human Behaviour, August 2026. [10] Dohnány, S., Kurth-Nelson, Z., Spens, E., Luettgau, L., Reid, A., Gabriel, I., Summerfield, C., Shanahan, M., and Nour, M.M. "Technological folie à deux: feedback loops between AI chatbots and mental health." Nature Mental Health, 4, 336-345, 2026. doi.org/10.1038/s44220-026-00595-8 (originally posted as arXiv preprint 2507.19218, July 2025) [11] Newberg, A., Pourdehnad, M., Alavi, A., and d'Aquili, E.G. "Cerebral Blood Flow during Meditative Prayer: Preliminary Findings and Methodological Issues." Perceptual and Motor Skills, 97(2), 625-630, 2003. doi.org/10.2466/pms.2003.97.2.625 [12] Gotink, R.A., Vernooij, M.W., Ikram, M.A., Niessen, W.J., Krestin, G.P., Hofman, A., Tiemeier, H., and Hunink, M.G.M. "Meditation and yoga practice are associated with smaller right amygdala volume: the Rotterdam study." Brain Imaging and Behavior, 2018. doi.org/10.1007/s11682-018-9826-z [13] McGilchrist, I. "The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World." Yale University Press, 2009 (expanded edition 2019). [14] Brooks, A.C. Remarks on happiness, meaning, and hemispheric lateralization, Global Leadership Summit session, August 7, 2026. See also Brooks, A.C. "The Meaning of Your Life." Portfolio, March 2026, which carries the same thesis.

    AI and the Revitalized Church
  2. Aug 4

    Disciplogy: The Art and Science of Making Disciples with Peyton Jones

    Peyton joins us to unpack his new book, The Art and Science of Making Disciples. He coins a word for what the church has lost. Discipology. The art and science of making disciples in the way of Jesus. Not a rebrand. A recovery. We dig into one distinction most of us have missed. Discipleship and disciple-making are not the same thing. Discipleship is Tuesday night at the small group. Disciple-making is a lifestyle aimed at people who do not yet follow Jesus. We need both. We confuse them constantly. Peyton traces disciple-making back to the source. He read close to 200 books on the subject and kept asking one question nobody answered. What exactly did Jesus do? So he mapped the chronological Gospels in his own quiet time and found a pattern hiding in plain sight. Resources mentioned on this show: The free Discipology audio journey (no ads, no fees) Through the Word plan page: https://app.throughtheword.org/discipology-the-art-and-science-of-making-disciples On the YouVersion Bible App: https://www.bible.com/reading-plans/70038-discipology-the-art-and-science-of-making-discip It's a 28-step journey: a seven-step intro, then three rhythms of seven steps each for Time, Teaching, and Tactics. Through the Word  The book — Discipology: The Art and Science of Making Disciples Amazon (print): https://www.amazon.com/Discipology-Science-Making-Disciples-Exponential/dp/0310180333 Amazon (audiobook, narrated by Jon Gauger): https://www.amazon.com/Discipology-Art-Science-Making-Disciples/dp/B0FLZM88CF Christianbook: https://www.christianbook.com/discipology-art-and-science-making-disciples/9780310180333/pd/180333 Exponential: https://exponential.org/product/discipology/ The companion workbook/journal — Journey to Disciple-Making: A Discipology Journal (Peyton called this "Journey to Disciplemaking" on the show) Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Disciple-Making-Discipology-Journal-Exponential/dp/0310180368 Logos: https://www.logos.com/product/401068/journey-to-disciple-making-a-discipology-journal Through the Word app (home of the 10-minute daily audio guides) Website: https://throughtheword.org/ Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.throughtheword.v2 New Breed Training (Peyton's training collective) Site: https://newbreedtraining.com/ Discipology resource page: https://newbreedtraining.com/resources/discipology/

    Disciplogy: The Art and Science of Making Disciples with Peyton Jones
  3. Feb 24

    Building Mental Health Vitality in Your Church with Dr. Bryan Loney

    PODCAST NOTES: Mental Health in Ministry with Dr. Bryan Loney THE CRISIS: Between 2015 and 2023, pastors reporting excellent mental and emotional well-being collapsed from 39% to 14%. Our leaders are carrying weight they were never meant to carry alone. This conversation addresses the mental health crisis affecting church leaders and outlines the path forward. EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: The shocking reality: Only 27% of churches have a plan to assist families affected by mental illness—73% are flying blind Why anxiety is a discipleship issue, not just a mental health problem How churches can partner with experts without becoming counseling centers The three-tier approach: Educational resources, triage care, and leader care for pastors Why we need to move from reactive mode to proactive discipleship in mental health WHO IS DR. BRYAN LOWNEY: Dr. Bryan Loney stands at the unique intersection of clinical expertise and pastoral heart. With doctoral training in clinical psychology and years in pastoral ministry, Bryan leads the Church Mental Health Partnership at Harbor Christian Counseling in Boston. His personal battle with severe anxiety fuels his mission to equip churches for proactive care. Bryan speaks both languages—clinical and pastoral—making him the bridge churches need to care for hurting people with biblical truth and professional wisdom. CONNECT WITH DR. BRYAN LONEY: Website:harborchristiancounseling.com/cmhp Email: bryan@harborcc.us Free initial consultation available for church leaders YOUR NEXT STEP: Don't carry the burden alone. Reach out. Get connected. Get help. The church should be the safest place to bring your burdens.

    Building Mental Health Vitality in Your Church with Dr. Bryan Loney
  4. 08/19/2025

    When You Know It's Time to Lead in Your Church

    Today, we're diving deep into the leadership crisis that's strangling 90% of American churches. Yes, you heard that right - nine out of ten churches are dying a slow death because they lack one critical ingredient. And I'm going to show you exactly how to address it. Whether you're a pastor, board member, or someone faithfully sitting in the seats thinking, 'this doesn't apply to me' - stick around. Because by the end of this episode, you'll know exactly why your church's future depends on YOU stepping up, and I'll give you a proven framework to do it. "When you step into leadership, you're not just helping with a program - you're creating a culture."Other Quotes in this episode: "Church vitality isn't about size - it's about health. And health comes when people like you step up." "The question isn't whether you're qualified - the question is whether you're available. The question isn't whether you have all the answers - the question is whether you're willing to learn." "Leadership isn't about having a title. It's about influence. And if people come to you for advice, if they trust you with their problems, if they look to you when things get tough - you're already leading."_____________________________* Since data shifts are continual and explanding, statistics and data may change or shift prior to this episode launch. Data:¹ Hartford Institute for Religion Research. (2021). Twenty Years of Congregational Change: The 2020 Faith Communities Today Overview. Faith Communities Today. Retrieved from https://faithcommunitiestoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Faith-Communities-Today-2020-Summary-Report.pdf² Thumma, S., & Bird, W. (2020). Megachurch 2020: The Changing Reality in America's Largest Churches. Hartford Institute for Religion Research. Retrieved from https://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/megachurches.html³ LifeWay Research. (2022). 7 Aspects of Healthy Church Leadership. LifeWay Christian Resources. Retrieved from https://research.lifeway.com/2022/06/06/7-aspects-of-healthy-church-leadership/Church Growth & Decline Statistics:⁴ Cooperative Congregational Studies Partnership. (2021). FACT 2020 Survey Results: 15,278 congregations across 80 denominations. Faith Communities Today. Retrieved from https://faithcommunitiestoday.org/fact-2020-survey/⁵ Barna Group. (2023). A New Chapter in Millennial Church Attendance. Barna Research. Retrieved from https://www.barna.com/research/church-attendance-2022/⁶ Barna Group. (2024). Small Churches Struggle to Grow Because Of The People They Attract. Barna Research. Retrieved from https://www.barna.com/research/small-churches-struggle-to-grow-because-of-the-people-they-attract/Evangelism & Commitment Data:⁷ LifeWay Research. (2022). 22 Vital Stats for Ministry in 2022. LifeWay Christian Resources. Retrieved from https://research.lifeway.com/2022/01/05/22-vital-stats-for-ministry-in-2022/⁸ Barna Group. (2023). Year in Review: Barna's Top 10 Releases of 2023. Barna Research. Retrieved from https://www.barna.com/research/year-in-review-2023/Leadership Development Research:⁹ LifeWay Research. (2025). Equipping Men for Spiritual Leadership at Home and in the Church. LifeWay Christian Resources. Retrieved from https://research.lifeway.com/2025/07/17/equipping-men-for-spiritual-leadership-at-home-and-in-the-church/¹⁰ Barna Group. (2023). Five Trends Defining Americans' Relationship to Churches. Barna Research. Retrieved from https://www.barna.com/research/current-perceptions/   Data Collection Periods Noted: Most statistics reflect pre-pandemic (2019-2020) or post-pandemic (2021-2025) data.

    When You Know It's Time to Lead in Your Church
  5. 08/05/2025

    Revitalizing Leadership: Discipling Leaders to Fulfill the Mission

    Gary Moritz continues his powerful conversation with Mac Lake, diving deep into the heart of leadership development. This episode reveals the game-changing shift from traditional leadership training to intentional discipleship. Mac challenges pastors to stop just filling roles and start discipling leaders who multiply other leaders. You'll discover why leading like Jesus requires a different approach than living like Jesus. What You'll Discover: Why leadership is a discipleship problem, not a training problem The difference between living like Jesus and leading like Jesus The mindset shift that multiplies leaders instead of adding them How to overcome the fear of delegation and development A practical starting point for stuck churches KEY CONVERSATION POINTS Theme: From leadership development to discipleship multiplication Key Insights: Discipling leaders vs. traditional training Apprenticing matters more than teaching Choose your pain: addition vs. multiplication Do less and get more done Resources: Free eBook: multiplygroup.org/ebook Tools and training: multiplygroup.org The Multiplication Effect Book Book: Leading Others This conversation transforms how you think about developing leaders. You'll shift from filling positions to discipling people, creating a multiplication culture that extends Kingdom impact far beyond what you can do alone. Action Step: Stop training leaders and start discipling them. Get the free resources to build a culture of multiplication in your church.

    Revitalizing Leadership: Discipling Leaders to Fulfill the Mission

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
5 Ratings

About

Welcome to The Church Vitality Podcast, a digital arm of The Church Vitality Network. This podcast is hosted by Dr. Gary Moritz and today's leaders in Church Revitalization. Each podcast is designed to help you think and grow in your leadership.