The Middle

Andy and Roger
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In a world where only the extreme get their voice heard... How do we know where the middle is? Join us on our search for the middle. https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/

  1. #186 - Negatively geared

    2D AGO

    #186 - Negatively geared

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 186 – Negatively geared In this episode, Andy and Roger somehow begin with Rebecca Black and karaoke videos before spiralling into Harrison Ford, Joe Biden, ageing rock stars, and the psychological inability of powerful people to retire gracefully. It only gets more cheerful from there. The main discussion centres on the Australian federal budget and the government’s proposed changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions. Andy breaks down exactly how negative gearing works, why investors have historically been willing to run rental losses, and how the combination of tax policy and capital gains transformed Australian housing into a long-term wealth machine. Roger questions whether the changes are genuinely about housing affordability or simply another case of younger generations being told to lower their expectations. The conversation explores whether the reforms actually help first-home buyers, why rents could rise instead, and how grandfathering existing arrangements effectively locks in advantages for older asset owners while removing the same opportunities for younger Australians. They also debate Labor’s broken promises on tax reform, the growing populist right in Australian politics, and whether parties still win elections on policy at all. Later, the discussion shifts into public sector efficiency, DOGE-style government reform, bureaucracy, and why fixing government systems is far more complicated than simply hiring “smart outsiders”. Andy argues the people inside government already know where the inefficiencies are, while Roger questions whether large Western governments have lost the ability to deliver major outcomes effectively. They finish by discussing Pauline Hanson, the fractured Australian centre-right, influencer politics, social media campaigning, and why the next generation of political candidates may look more like TikTok creators than traditional party operators. Hashtags: #NegativeGearing #AustralianPolitics #FederalBudget #HousingCrisis #CapitalGainsTax #PropertyMarket #IntergenerationalWealth #HousingAffordability #LaborParty #AnthonyAlbanese #PaulineHanson #OneNation #AustralianEconomy #DOGE #GovernmentSpending #PublicService #PoliticalCommentary #AndyAndRoger #PodcastDiscussion #AustralianHousing #BoomersVsMillennials #CultureWars #SocialMediaPolitics Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    58 min
  2. #185 - Rizz

    MAY 9

    #185 - Rizz

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 185 – Rizz In this episode, Andy and Roger attempt to answer one of the most important questions facing modern civilisation: what actually is “rizz”? The conversation kicks off with the everyday chaos of Australian roads, from overly polite drivers causing near misses to the strange psychology of pedestrians, before drifting into the world of dashcam videos, auditing channels, and the oddly soothing appeal of watching strangers lose their minds online. From there, the pair unpack the rise of Gen Z slang and whether “rizz” really just means charisma, confidence, or something far more elusive. Along the way they debate which public figures genuinely have it, from Barack Obama and Donald Trump to George Clooney, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Michael Jackson, and Jay Leno. They also explore whether charisma can actually be learned, why some celebrities seem magnetic on screen but painfully awkward off it, and whether modern media rewards authenticity or just well-practised performance. There’s also discussion about podcasting, cult leaders, billionaires, nerd charisma, Italian-Americans, Sam Harris, Steve Jobs, and why real estate agents might simply be running behavioural economics scripts in human form. As usual, Andy and Roger somehow manage to move from Australian traffic etiquette to Hitler in under an hour. Hashtags: #Rizz #Charisma #GenZSlang #PodcastDiscussion #AndyAndRoger #JoeRogan #ElonMusk #GeorgeClooney #BarackObama #DonaldTrump #SamHarris #SteveJobs #ModernCulture #InternetCulture #DashcamVideos #AustralianPodcast #CulturalCommentary #MediaPersonality #YouTubeCulture #CelebrityCulture #SocialDynamics #PodcastLife Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    51 min
  3. #184 - White Australia

    MAY 2

    #184 - White Australia

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 184 – White Australia In this episode, Andy and Roger stumble across a 1962 street interview about the White Australia Policy—and things get uncomfortable, quickly. What starts as a curiosity turns into a raw comparison between past and present attitudes, as they listen to everyday Australians grapple (often clumsily) with race, immigration, and national identity. Andy takes a more sympathetic view of the interviewees, framing their perspectives in the context of post–World War II anxiety and a desire for stability, while Roger questions whether their views were actually that extreme for the time—or simply reflective of a broader “middle” sentiment. Along the way, they unpack how much Australia has changed culturally, socially, and demographically since the policy’s dismantling in the 1970s. The conversation then shifts to modern parallels: immigration today, multiculturalism, and the tension between economic necessity and cultural cohesion. From selective schools to shifting national identity, Andy and Roger explore whether the same underlying questions still exist—just dressed up in more acceptable language. It’s a delicate topic, handled in their usual style: part thoughtful, part blunt, and occasionally veering into food analogies that may or may not help the argument. Hashtags: #WhiteAustraliaPolicy #ImmigrationDebate #AustralianHistory #Multiculturalism #CulturalIdentity #ModernAustralia #SocialChange #AndyAndRoger #PodcastDiscussion #PoliticalDebate #Migration #NationalIdentity #HistoryAndPolitics #CulturalShifts #PublicOpinion #AustraliaToday Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    38 min
  4. #183 - Michael Jackson

    APR 25

    #183 - Michael Jackson

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 183 – Michael Jackson In this episode, Andy and Roger wander into the minefield that is Michael Jackson—prompted by a new biopic that disappoints critics and sugarcoats the real MJ. What starts as a chat about movie reviews quickly turns into a broader discussion about legacy, fame, and whether it’s even possible to tell the truth about someone that famous. They unpack the film’s biggest criticism—that it sanitises Jackson’s life—and ask whether that was inevitable given the family’s involvement. From there, the conversation turns to the strange duality of Michael Jackson himself: a once-in-a-generation entertainer with an undeniable cultural impact, and a deeply complicated figure surrounded by controversy, allegations, and behaviour that doesn’t sit comfortably in hindsight. Andy and Roger debate whether it’s possible to separate the art from the artist, touching on Jackson’s upbringing, the pressures of fame from childhood, and the idea of arrested development. They explore the role of enablers, the cult-like loyalty of fanbases, and how figures like Donald Trump draw similar dynamics in public perception—albeit in very different arenas. The episode also branches out into a wider conversation about musical biopics: why they rarely land, why they tend to gloss over the uncomfortable bits, and whether some stories are simply too messy to retell. Along the way, they revisit films like Bohemian Rhapsody and Rocketman, and debate which artists—if any—actually deserve the biopic treatment. It’s part nostalgia, part cultural critique, and part uncomfortable reality check on what happens when fame, talent, and human frailty collide. Hashtags: #MichaelJackson #Biopic #MusicHistory #PopCulture #CelebrityLegacy #ArtVsArtist #AndyAndRoger #PodcastDiscussion #FilmCriticism #FameAndPower #CulturalDebate #MusicIndustry #TrueStory #EntertainmentNews #MediaAnalysis Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    37 min
  5. #182 - Getting changed

    APR 18

    #182 - Getting changed

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 182 – Getting changed In this episode, Andy and Roger kick things off with a truly unfortunate airport toilet incident—featuring an automatic door, questionable timing, and a poor woman caught in a situation no one wants to imagine, let alone witness. It’s chaotic, it’s awkward, and it sets the tone for a surprisingly reflective conversation. From there, the discussion drifts (as it often does) into the strange quirks of modern life—starting with the baffling evolution of public toilet technology and why something as simple as a lock didn’t need reinventing. This spirals into memories of school change rooms, questionable hygiene standards, and the kind of shared trauma that may or may not have “built character.” Andy and Roger then explore the subtle (and not-so-subtle) moments that signal ageing—when cultural references stop landing, when younger colleagues haven’t even heard of The Matrix, and when Seinfeld jokes fall flat. They compare generational shifts in fashion, particularly the rise of activewear as everyday clothing, and question whether some trends are destined to age poorly. The conversation broadens into a nostalgic deep dive on how the internet, shopping, and entertainment have changed. From the wild west days of early websites and chat platforms to today’s algorithm-driven, sanitised experience, they reflect on what’s been lost—spontaneity, discovery, and a sense of ownership. Music stores, physical media, and even boredom itself all come under scrutiny as relics of a different time. By the end, Andy and Roger land on a slightly uncomfortable question: are we actually growing as we age, or just getting older? And if modern life removes discomfort, challenge, and even boredom—what does that mean for the next generation? Hashtags: #GettingOld #MillennialLife #Nostalgia #InternetCulture #TheMatrix #Seinfeld #ActivewearTrend #ModernLife #DigitalAge #GrowingUp #GenerationalShift #AndyAndRoger #PodcastDiscussion #CulturalChange #SchoolDays #TechEvolution #RetailExperience #MusicCulture #Boredom #SocialCommentary Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    1h 5m
  6. #181 - Ceasefail

    APR 11

    #181 - Ceasefail

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 181 – Ceasefail In this episode, Andy and Roger kick things off with a bewildering (and unintentionally comedic) deep dive into ever-expanding acronyms, sparked by a viral clip featuring a truly heroic attempt at inclusivity. From there, they spiral into a broader conversation about activism, cultural momentum, and whether some movements have simply run out of road. The discussion shifts to a chaotic week of posting from Donald Trump, with Andy and Roger trying—often unsuccessfully—to separate satire from reality. They unpack the blurred line between authenticity and instability, debate whether Trump’s behaviour reflects strategy or strain, and question what it means for leadership when the tone is… unfiltered, to put it mildly. Things then turn more serious as they analyse the recent US-Iran conflict and ceasefire. Andy frames the outcome as a textbook example of a suboptimal exit—recovering lost ground rather than achieving meaningful gains—while Roger pushes back, arguing there are still strategic wins depending on how negotiations unfold. They work through key issues including the Strait of Hormuz, nuclear capability, regime stability, and military degradation, ultimately landing on a shared (if uneasy) view: the outcome may be less “catastrophe” and more “missed opportunity.” They wrap up by debating whether Trump’s conduct is genuinely deteriorating or simply an extension of what’s always been there—raising bigger questions about leadership, public trust, and whether the real story is less about one man and more about the system that put him there. Hashtags: #Trump #USPolitics #MiddleEast #IranConflict #Geopolitics #Ceasefire #StraitOfHormuz #PoliticalCommentary #CultureWars #WokeCulture #Activism #AndyAndRoger #PodcastDiscussion #GlobalPolitics #Leadership #ModernPolitics #MediaAnalysis #TrueSocial #WorldEvents Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    59 min
  7. #180 - Oil and water

    APR 4

    #180 - Oil and water

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 180 – Oil and water In this episode, Andy and Roger attempt to make sense of the unfolding conflict involving the US and Iran—before promptly disagreeing about almost every aspect of it. Starting with petrol prices (because of course), the conversation quickly escalates into a broader debate about whether the war has been a strategic success or a complete miscalculation. Andy argues that whatever tactical wins may exist are overshadowed by economic fallout, instability, and a lack of clear objectives—particularly from Donald Trump. Roger, meanwhile, lays out the case for military success, pointing to degraded capabilities and minimal casualties, before conceding that the broader strategic picture is far murkier. The discussion expands into questions of regime change, global alliances, media framing, and whether public perception is being shaped more by ideology than facts. Along the way, Andy questions whether Trump fundamentally misunderstood the complexity of the situation, while Roger suggests that critics may be overlooking deeper geopolitical dynamics—including Iran’s role in regional proxy conflicts. They also tackle whether this war should be viewed as part of the same narrative as Israel-Palestine, or as an entirely separate conflict—revealing a key divide in how each of them interprets global events. It’s part foreign policy analysis, part pub argument, and part existential crisis about the price of fuel. Hashtags: #USPolitics #IranConflict #Geopolitics #MiddleEast #Trump #GlobalEconomy #OilPrices #WarDebate #AndyAndRoger #PoliticalCommentary #ForeignPolicy #MediaBias #StrategicFailure #MilitaryStrategy #PodcastDiscussion Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    1h 12m
  8. #179 - Manosphere

    MAR 28

    #179 - Manosphere

    🎧 NEW PODCAST EPISODE Episode 179 – Manosphere In this episode, Andy and Roger return to a familiar theme: what happens when the internet decides to raise young men. Kicking off with an update on Australia’s unexpected “porn drought,” the pair reflect on how regulation, workarounds like VPNs, and human behaviour collide in predictably unpredictable ways. From there, the conversation shifts to the Louis Theroux documentary on the manosphere, unpacking the characters, contradictions, and cultural forces at play. Andy and Roger debate whether figures like Justin Waller represent genuine success stories or carefully packaged versions of it, and whether audiences are buying aspiration—or just entertainment. They explore the idea of “low status” versus “cultural elite,” the role of luck in success, and whether the so-called alpha male blueprint is guidance or snake oil. The discussion also touches on relationships, including the eyebrow-raising concept of one-sided monogamy, and whether modern values really support it—or just tolerate it. Zooming out, the episode questions whether the manosphere is a coherent movement or just a loose collection of personalities, ranging from motivational voices to outright trolls. Andy and Roger also consider whether platforms and algorithms are amplifying the worst parts of this ecosystem, and who ultimately bears responsibility—the creators, the platforms, or the audience. It’s a conversation about influence, identity, and the blurry line between entertainment and ideology—plus a reminder that sometimes the internet says more about us than the people we’re watching. Hashtags: #Manosphere #LouisTheroux #AndrewTate #JordanPeterson #JoeRogan #OnlineInfluence #MasculinityDebate #CulturalTrends #DigitalCulture #SocialMediaAlgorithms #ModernMen #PodcastDiscussion #AndyAndRoger #InternetCulture #MediaCritique #AlphaMale #RelationshipDynamics #VPN #ContentCreators #MoralPanic Engage with us on social media: Website: http://themiddle.site/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_middle_podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themiddlepodcastandyroger Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Middle-Podcast/100089236832534/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheMiddlePC Email: the.middle.podcast.au@gmail.com Sign up to our subscriber email list: Visit our website: http://themiddle.site/ Or click: https://forms.gle/4qATmU2yiHgjZrej8

    46 min
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  • Creator
    Andy and Roger
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    193
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Andy and Roger
  • Show Website
    The Middle