Fight For Your City

Jonah Carpenter

This is a podcast about practical ministry in the local church—helping pastors, leaders, and church members find real ways to impact their communities with the gospel.

  1. 4d ago

    Bigger Fixes Nothing: Rethinking Church Growth, Small Churches & Bivocational Ministry with Karl Vaters

    For decades, pastors have been taught that healthy churches grow—and that successful ministry eventually means bigger attendance, bigger budgets, bigger buildings, and more full-time staff. Karl Vaters believes it's time to rethink that model. Karl joins Pastor Jonah Carpenter to talk about what 40 years of church growth culture has done to the way pastors measure success and why leading a small church should never be viewed as failure. Karl explains his principle that “bigger fixes nothing” and why strategies developed for megachurches often don't translate to the churches where most pastors actually serve. They also dig into one of the biggest shifts facing ministry today: the return of bivocational and covocational pastors. Karl explains why churches shouldn't rush to hire full-time pastors, why bivocational ministry can encourage greater participation from the congregation, and why working outside the church can actually strengthen a pastor's connection to the community. The conversation goes deeper into pastoral salaries, church staffing, burnout, discipleship, toxic church environments, the pressure to constantly grow, and the unique strengths of smaller congregations. Karl also explains how American church culture moved from emphasizing revival, to management and numbers, to today's increasingly activist language—and makes the case for replacing all of it with a renewed focus on discipleship. What if the future of healthy ministry isn't bigger churches with larger staffs, but healthy local churches where pastors and congregations share the work of ministry? Karl Vaters is an author, pastor, and leading voice on small-church health and ministry.

  2. Sep 22

    Modern Worship Has a Problem: Theology, Generic Worship Music & Who Belongs on the Worship Team with Colton Potter

    Modern worship is everywhere—but why do so many churches seem to sing the same songs, use the same sounds, follow the same trends, and even dress the same? In this episode of Fight For Your City, Pastor Jonah Carpenter sits down with Colton Potter, worship leader at Family Bible Church and frontman of A Band With No Name, for a wide-ranging conversation about modern worship culture and the practical realities of leading worship in the local church. Jonah and Colton discuss the growing influence of a small number of major worship movements, including Elevation, Hillsong, Passion, and Bethel, and what happens when churches across the country begin drawing their music, production styles, gear, and inspiration from the same places. They ask whether modern worship has become too generic—and whether originality even matters if the songs are helping people worship. But the conversation goes much deeper than musical style. What makes a song appropriate for congregational worship instead of simply being a good Christian song? Colton explains why singability, biblical content, perspective, and the purpose behind a song matter when deciding what belongs in a Sunday service. The two also discuss whether churches should alter lyrics when they disagree with the theology behind a particular line. They also step into one of the most controversial debates surrounding modern worship music: Should your church sing a song from an artist or ministry whose theology you disagree with? Bethel becomes a case study as Jonah and Colton discuss the difference between evaluating an individual song and rejecting everything associated with the church or artist who created it. Then the conversation turns toward the people standing on the platform. What happens when your most talented musician has a serious character problem? What if they're the only person in your church capable of playing the instrument? What if they aren't even a Christian? Colton discusses relationships, accountability, confrontation, and why the person with the title of “worship leader” isn't necessarily always the right person to handle the situation. Jonah and Colton also talk about communication between pastors and worship leaders, choosing songs that actually complement the message, knowing when a worship set needs to end, dealing with mistakes on stage, preparing musicians well, and creating a culture where worship-team members are actually being discipled instead of simply being used because they're talented. Along the way, they get into Reckless Love, controversial worship lyrics, Lauren Daigle, secular songs in church, Creed, expensive worship gear, smoke machines, Helix pedalboards, church production culture, and the strange reality that churches can spend thousands of dollars copying another ministry without ever stopping to ask why that ministry does things that way in the first place. This isn't a conversation arguing that modern worship is good or bad. It's a practical conversation about theology, music, leadership, discipleship, creativity, and the decisions local churches make every Sunday morning. Has modern worship become too generic? And more importantly, how can local churches build worship ministries that actually serve their own congregations instead of simply copying everyone else?

  3. Sep 15

    Internet Mob Culture, Lindsay Clancy, Phillip Anthony Mitchell & Deconstruction: Is the Church Been Over Run With Out Rage? | Will Hess (The Church Split)

    Will Hess is the lead pastor of Creekside Baptist Church in Evansville, Indiana, and the host of The Church Split, a podcast built around theology, apologetics, and some of the most controversial conversations happening inside Christianity today. In this episode, Will joins Pastor Jonah Carpenter for a wide-ranging conversation about what happens when those debates collide with internet outrage, politics, deconstruction, and the modern Church. They begin with the growing Christian internet mob and the controversy surrounding Phillip Anthony Mitchell and charging for ministry events. From there, Jonah and Will discuss the Lindsay Clancy case, online pile-ons, and how social-media algorithms increasingly shape what Christians believe, who they listen to, and who they see as the enemy. The conversation turns to deconstruction and the Church’s role in creating it. How much has bad theology, church scandal, hypocrisy, and political polarization contributed to people walking away from Christianity? Jonah and Will discuss Calvinism, original sin, suffering, apologetics, Christian nationalism, Donald Trump, Israel, abortion, and the danger of reducing complicated issues to internet talking points. They also examine the supposed Gen Z Christian revival, why young men appear increasingly interested in Christianity while many young women are moving in the opposite direction, and what churches need to understand about reaching a generation that is skeptical of institutions but still searching for something spiritually real. Finally, they tackle LGBTQ issues, love versus tolerance, giving, church hypocrisy, compassion, and what it actually looks like to reach someone who has deconstructed their faith without compromising Christian truth. Can Christians defend the Church without becoming the internet mob themselves? And can a generation that has torn its faith apart find a way to rebuild it? Fight For Your City is a podcast about the real challenges facing pastors, churches, and ministry leaders—and what it takes to faithfully serve the communities God has called us to reach.

  4. Sep 1

    Why Most Pastor Transitions Fail (And How to Avoid It) | Ray Brown & Todd Morgan

    Pastoral transitions can tear churches apart. Ego gets involved, members choose sides, longtime pastors struggle to let go, and incoming leaders often feel pressure to immediately change everything. But Pastor Ray Brown and Pastor Todd Morgan experienced something different at The Gathering Church in Evansville, Indiana. In this episode of Fight For Your City, Ray and Todd break down how they successfully transitioned leadership while the church was still thriving—and why Ray remained part of the church even after Todd became lead pastor. They discuss the role humility, trust, church culture, identity, and healthy leadership played in making a transition work that many pastors told them shouldn’t work at all. Todd even recalls how other ministry leaders repeatedly asked him, “Ray’s still there?” because the arrangement was so unusual. We also talk about one of the hardest realities of pastoral succession: knowing when it’s time to step aside. Ray shares a powerful story about realizing that sometimes another person really is better suited for the next leg of the race—and that ultimately, “it’s really about the race.” If you’re a pastor, church planter, elder, ministry leader, or part of a church preparing for a leadership transition, this conversation offers a practical look at how to pass the baton without destroying what God has already built. Subscribe to Fight For Your City for conversations about church leadership, ministry, evangelism, church growth, and reaching your community.

  5. Aug 25

    Should the Church Be Run Like a Business? | April Brown Harris from The Gathering Church | Fight For Your City Podcast

    What happens when a church stops asking, “What will we get out of this?” and starts asking, “What does our community need?” In this episode of Fight for Your City, Jonah sits down with April from The Gathering Church to talk about a radically different approach to ministry—one built around relationships, recovery, discipleship, and serving people whether or not they ever become members of the church. April shares how a Celebrate Recovery group eventually helped lay the foundation for an entire church, and how that ministry expanded into feeding programs, school-supply outreach, counseling partnerships, work-release ministry, transitional support, Christmas assistance, and opportunities for people who once needed help to become the ones serving others. The conversation also tackles a difficult question for church leaders: Should ministry be evaluated by attendance, giving, and return on investment? April argues that the return belongs to God's Kingdom—and that when churches focus on people instead of numbers, God often provides resources in unexpected ways. Jonah and April also discuss volunteer recruitment, breaking cycles of poverty, helping people move from dependency toward stability, discipling people outside traditional church environments, and why many people in our churches may simply be waiting for someone to tell them, “We need you.” If the church is truly called to be the hands and feet of Jesus, this conversation challenges us to rethink what successful ministry actually looks like.

  6. Aug 21

    The Abortion Industry Lied to Women — And the Church Stayed Silent | Julie Wells | Right to Life

    The Abortion Industry Lied to Women — And the Church Stayed Silent | Julie Wells | Right to LifeIn this episode of the Fight for Your City Podcast, Jonah Carpenter sits down with Julie Wells, Executive Director of Right to Life of Southwest Indiana, for a difficult but necessary conversation about abortion, the abortion pill, Planned Parenthood, adoption, foster care, and the responsibility of the local church.Julie shares what she has witnessed through decades of work with women, adoption, and the pro-life movement—including stories from women who took chemical abortion pills, concerns surrounding access to abortion medication, and why she believes many women are not being given the full picture before making one of the most serious decisions of their lives.Jonah and Julie also discuss one of the biggest challenges facing Christians today: How do we stand firmly for biblical truth without becoming cruel, political, or ineffective? They examine why so many churches remain silent on abortion, what practical support pregnant women actually need, the role of adoption and foster care, and why being pro-life has to mean more than simply opposing abortion.They also discuss Planned Parenthood, abortion exceptions, children with disabilities, women experiencing unplanned pregnancies, the cultural decline in how children are valued, and what pastors can practically do to create churches that defend life while offering genuine compassion and support.

  7. Aug 5

    The Tithing Myth: How to Fix the Tithing Problem in the Modern Church (Austin Maxheimer)

    Why does tithing create so much anger, distrust, and disagreement inside the church?In this episode of the Fight For Your City Podcast, Pastor Jonah Carpenter sits down with pastor, author, and community mobilizer Austin Knackshiemer to discuss his newest book, In the Beginning, God Created the Tithe, and It Was Good.Rather than treating tithing as an uncomfortable obligation or a necessary evil, Austin argues that biblical giving was intended to be something good—both for the person giving and for the community receiving it.The conversation examines why money has become such a powerful idol in Western culture, why many Christians no longer trust churches with their finances, and how church scandals, manipulative fundraising, and a lack of transparency have damaged the practice of giving.Jonah and Austin also discuss whether ten percent is still a realistic expectation for Christians facing student loans, housing costs, inflation, and financial uncertainty. Austin explains why he views ten percent as a starting point rather than the ultimate goal, while emphasizing that giving should never become a legalistic barrier to the grace and freedom found in Christ.They also explore the way modern churches have professionalized ministry. Have Christians become spectators who pay pastors, worship leaders, children’s workers, and nonprofit organizations to practice the faith on their behalf? What would happen if congregations became active participants again?

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This is a podcast about practical ministry in the local church—helping pastors, leaders, and church members find real ways to impact their communities with the gospel.