Distinctive Christianity

Brendon Scoggin and Skyler Hamilton

Comparing Mormon and Creedal Christian Thought

  1. 3d ago

    238. Atria Larson on Gratian and the Decretum

    In this episode, we welcome Dr. Atria Larson to discuss her book Master of Penance: Gratian and the Development of Penitential Thought and Law in the Twelfth Century. Who was Gratian, a monk who lived in the 12th Century AD - and why does he matter? Though likely unintentionally, Gratian is often deemed the Father of Ecclesiastical Jurisprudence, even the “Father of Canon Law” and the study thereof. His major work: the Concordia Discordantium Canonum (A Concordance of Discordant Canons), or the Decretum is one of the most important works in the history of the West, and may be deemed “the first comprehensive and systematic legal treatise in the history of the West, and perhaps in the history of mankind”. Both jurist and theologian, Gratian collected authorities such as Scripture, the church fathers, church councils, Papal decretals, and even roman law, and sought to discover a comprehensive whole – for both education and pastoral purposes. Taking us into the rich complexity of the twelfth century of the medieval period – Dr. Larson explains to us the scholastic method, how Gratian weighs the various authorities, as well as why Gratian would write a theological treatise on Penance within what is often seen only as a legal text. Indeed, perhaps Gratian is a great example of one living in a century marked by a rich and rigorous culture of scholarship, often wrongly deemed a "dark age" and dismissed in too many over-simplistic distorted narratives. What is Penance, and how was it both theologically justified as well as practiced by priests and laity alike? Dr. Larson helps us think how Protestants should think through the medieval period more generally, as well as Gratian more specifically. How can Protestants affirm the need for Reform of the church, based on Scripture, while also avoiding the errors of dismissing a thousand years of church history? Perhaps Gratian can be a test case for a more mature Protestant engagement with a heritage far too often forgotten, if not ignored. Book: Master of Penance: Gratian and the Development of Penitential Thought and Law in the Twelfth Century Also, Gratian’s Tractatus De Penitentia: A New Latin Edition with English Translation Other resources by Dr. Larson: - The Fourth Lateran Council and the Development of Canon Law and the Ius Commune - Thomas Aquinas and Medieval Canon Law - A Companion to the Medieval Papacy: Growth of an Ideology and Institution - “Gratian, Original Sin, and the Sins of the Fathers: A Question of Sources and the Influence of the School of Laon” (Bulletin of Medieval Canon Law) - “From Protections for ‘Miserabiles Personae’ to Legal Privileges for International Travelers: The Historical Development of Medieval Canon Regarding Pilgrims” (Glossae: European Journal of Legal History) - “Passive Instrument and Active Intercessor: Anselm’s View of Mary’s Role in Redemption” (Cistercian Studies Quarterly) Other resources: “The Biography of Gratian, Father of Canon Law” by Kenneth Pennington Law and Revolution by Harold Berman Gratian the Theologian by John Wei (also here) Christian Political Theory and Church Politics in the Mid-Twelfth Century: The Ecclesiology of Gratian’s Decretum by Stanley Chodorow Engaging Thomas Aquinas by Leonardo De Chirico Reclaiming the “Dark Ages”: How the Gospel Light Shone from 500-1500 by Yannick Imbert and Iain Wright The Spirit of Early Christian Thought by Robert Louis Wilken The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization by Anthony Esolen Religion and the Rise of Western Culture by Christopher Dawson Medieval Foundations of the Western Intellectual Tradition, 400-1400 by Marcia L. Colish The Greek East and the Latin West by Philip Sherrard Ligonier The State of Theology Survey 95 Theses by Martin Luther (also here) Concerning the True Care of Souls by Martin Bucer John Calvin’s Letter to Sadoleto War Against the Idols by Carlos Eire

    238. Atria Larson on Gratian and the Decretum
  2. Aug 3

    236. Stephen Wellum on God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ

    In this episode, we welcome Dr. Stephen Wellum to discuss his book God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ. Jesus himself asked Peter: “Who do you say that I am?” in Matthew 16:15. Ever since, some of the most key and important debates have been about how to best understand and communicate all of what Scripture teaches regarding the Eternal Son, the Word become Flesh. What is Christology, and what is at stake in the subject? Does Scripture teach that Jesus is God? What is the “communicatio idiomatum” and what should we understand by the use of the terms: “Nature” and “Person”. With Leo’s Tome and the Definition of Chalcedon articulating the Person of Christ as “two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation” – why does it matter whether Christ had two wills, or one? Moreover, does the development in our understanding of Christology help or hurt the reading of the Bible in passages such as Mark 13:32 and John 14:28? What is Kenotic Christology, and what is the proper reading of Philippians 2: 5-11? Listen in as Dr. Wellum takes us through this and more, as we also ask about how an understanding or misunderstanding of Christology impacts the understanding and practice of the sacraments, as well as an understanding of the church. Book: God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ Other resources by Dr. Wellum: - Check out: Christ Over All - The Person of Christ: An Introduction - Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants - Christ Alone: The Uniqueness of Jesus as Savior - Systematic Theology, Volume One: From Canon to Concept Other resources cited: - Book of Mormon: Mosiah15, Ether 3, 3 Nephi 11:36; Notice also Joseph Smith Translation Luke 10:22: “No man knoweth the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it.” - “To Know God is Eternal Life – God the Father of Our Spirits and Bodies – Things Created Spiritually First – Atonement by the Shedding of Blood” by President Brigham Young (Feb. 8, 1857) - A Rational Theology by Elder John Widtsoe (also here) - Q15 Statement: “The Father and the Son” (August 1916) - Jesus the Christ by Elder James Talmage -“The Living Christ” by Elder Bernard P. Brockbank - “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom Thou Hast Sent” by Elder Jeffrey Holland Gospel Topics Essay: “Are ‘Mormons’ Christian?”; “Becoming Like God”; “Mother in Heaven” Wrestling the Angel by Terryl Givens Also recommended: The Mormon Jesus by John Turner The Unseen Realm; “You’ve Seen One Elohim, You’ve Seen Them All? A Critique of Mormonism’s Use of Psalm 82” by Michael Heiser The City of God by Augustine Dialogue on the Two Natures of Christ by Peter Martyr Vermigli The Flesh of the Word by K. J. Drake Amidst Us Our Beloved Stands: Recovering Sacrament in the Baptist Tradition by Michael Haykin Scourby: Matthew, Mark, John, Philippians

    236. Stephen Wellum on God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ
  3. Jul 27

    235. Peter Barnes on Athanasius of Alexandria

    In this episode, we welcome Dr. Peter Barnes to discuss his book Athanasius of Alexandria: His Life and Impact. Who was Athanasius of Alexandria (AD 289/299-373), and why does he matter? What was and is Arianism, and why does it matter for the faithfulness of the church? From an attendee at the Council of Nicaea with Bishop Alexander of Alexandria to becoming Bishop of Alexandria himself, listen in as Dr. Barnes helps us understand one of the most pivotal figures in all of Christian history. Born into a transitional world from persecution into power, we hear about Athanasius navigating the complexities of the Roman world – while facing the spread of an Arian heresy that denied the full deity of Christ, as well as those who sought peace at the expense of the truth of Scripture. Indeed, contrary to the common misconception that the Council of Nicaea settled the issue (via the use of political power) – Nicaea in its time was overturned in the space of two years, and there were many church councils ruling in favor of a more Arian position (or even agnosticism on the issue). Though it may seem to outsiders as merely a quibble over letters and words - “to view Christ as God is one thing, to view Him as the highest of the angels is quite another.” To Athanasius, confessing anything less than a substantive commitment to the full deity of the Son was not Biblical and not Christian, at all. Dr. Barnes writes, “Essential to Athanasius’s thought is the premise that only God can redeem what He has created. Therefore, the Word must be truly God, for a creature cannot join other creatures to God.” Indeed, if Christ is not fully God (and by God, mean God) – then we are still dead in our sins. The irony is that though his life has been so important, we actually have little we know with certainty about his life. Yet, Athanasius’ book On the Incarnation of the Word has been one of the most important texts in the history of Christian theology – and is part of a batch of texts that give us insight into Athanasius’ thought, as well as glimpses into his pastoral priorities and ministry. In addition to this, we also ask Dr. Barnes his thoughts about Athanasius oft-quoted line that “God became man so that man might become God”, and hear his thoughts about “deification” in the thought of Athanasius. In conclusion, we ask Dr. Barnes about the legacy of Athanasius of Alexandria and why people should care today. Book: Athanasius of Alexandria: His Life and Impact Other resources by Dr. Barnes: - Living in a Halfway House: The Rise of Liberal Evangelicalism in the Presbyterian Church of New South Wales, 1865-1915 - The Gospel: Did Paul and Jesus Agree? - Galatians (EP) - Philippians (EP) - Handful of Pebbles: Theological Liberalism and the Church - Pain of a Particular Kind: The Loss of a Child Other resources: On the Incarnation of the Word by Athanasius “‘The Brilliance of the Rainbow’: Athanasius of Alexandria, the Cappodocian Fathers, and the Defense of the Doctrine of the Trinity” by Michael Haykin (hear interview here) The Spirit of Truth: Johannine Pneumatology in the Letters of Athanasius to Serapion by Haitham A. Issak Early Arianism: A View of Salvation by Robert Gregg and Dennis Groh “A Critical Examination of the Roman Catholic Definitions of Dulia and Latria” by Lauren Montenegro Resurrection and Redemption: A Study in Paul’s Soteriology by Richard Gaffin, Jr. Union with the Resurrected Christ by G. K. Beale God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ by Stephen Wellum The Lord Jesus Christ: The Biblical Doctrine of the Person and Work of Christ by Brandon Crowe The Incarnate Christ and His Critics: A Biblical Defense by Robert Bowman and J. Ed Komoszewski

    235. Peter Barnes on Athanasius of Alexandria
  4. Jul 20

    234. Matthew Emadi on Romans 1-3

    In this episode, we welcome by Dr. Matthew Emadi to discuss Romans 1-3. Listen in as Dr. Emadi takes us on a tour of one of the most important and insightful texts of Scripture, as the apostle Paul proclaims “the Gospel of God” for all who will hear. Please read (and even listen) to Romans (ESV, KJV). Check out Crossroads Church Utah Other resources by Dr. Emadi: The Royal Priest: Psalm 110 in Biblical Theology “The Fulfillment of the Land Promise In the Epistle to the Hebrews: A Critique of Dispensationalism” What Is a Church?; How Can I Serve My Church? “The Leper’s Cleansing and Our Salvation” (TGC) “What Do Mormons Believe About God” (TGC) Check out past episodes with Dr. Emadi: “Melchizedek and his Priesthood” “The Church” “John 14:28: ‘for the Father is Greater than I’” “The Temple” Other resources: “Cleansing the Inner Vessel” by Elder Boyd K. Packer Check out The Blessed Hope podcast with Dr. Kim Riddlebarger The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross by Leon Morris Uncovering the Theme of Revelation in Romans 1:16-3:26 by Marcus Mininger Thanksgiving: An Investigation of a Pauline Theme by David Pao Who Shall Ascend the Mountain of the Lord?; Numbers 1-19; Numbers 20-36 by L. Michael Morales The Pauline Eschatology; Biblical Theology by Geerhardus Vos Father, Son, and Spirit in Romans 8: The Roman Reception of Paul’s Trinitarian Theology by Ron C. Fay Cracking the Foundation of the New Perspective on Paul by Robert Cara Perspectives Old and New on Paul; Justification Reconsidered; Understanding Paul; Romans: Text, Readers, and the History of Interpretation by Stephen Westerholm Paul: Apostle of the Heart Set Free by F. F. Bruce By Faith, Not By Sight by Richard Gaffin Paul: An Outline of His Theology by Herman Ridderbos Original Sin: Illuminating the Riddle by Henri Blocher American Awakening by Joshua Mitchell (also, here) Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior by Helmut Schoeck Alexander at the End of the World by Rachel Kousser Augustine of Hippo: His Life and Impact by Bradley Green Sermon Series by Charlie Dennison

    234. Matthew Emadi on Romans 1-3
  5. Jul 17

    233. Stanley Payne on The Spanish Civil War, The Soviet Union, and Communism

    In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Stanley Payne to discuss his book The Spanish Civil War, The Soviet Union, and Communism. The Spanish Civil War is “the most mythified civil war of the twentieth century.” Commonly misunderstood and distorted into a conflict of “Democracy” versus “Fascism”, the truth involves a revolutionary-counter-revolutionary struggle, more akin to a post-WWI political crisis than a prelude to WWII. Yet, the “grand camouflage” representing propaganda rather than history persists. How do we get at the truth of what actually happened and sift fact from fiction? How do we know the Spanish revolution actually happened – and what led to it? Indeed, what would likely have occurred (or kept occurring) had not General Francisco Franco began the military insurrection on July 18, 1936? Moreover, Communist involvement in Spain, and Soviet policy regarding the Spanish Civil War has been “the major mystery” of the conflict. What were the “real goals” of Soviet policy in the Spanish war, and what light has been shed by the documents available after the fall of the Soviet Union? Listen in as Dr. Payne takes us through the grand chessboard of Soviet goals and politics – and how Spain fit into those goals and plans. Though the primary goal is to get the history of the period right – it turns out there are lessons to be learned, even for today. Book: The Spanish Civil War, The Soviet Union, and Communism Other resources by Dr. Payne: The Spanish Civil War - hear our previous interview here The Collapse of the Republic, 1933-1936: Origins of the Civil War Franco: A Personal and Political Biography Franco and Hitler: Spain, Germany and WWII A History of Fascism, 1914-1945 Spain: A Unique History “The Road to Revolution” “Antifascism without Fascism” Other resources: Fascism: Career of a Concept; Antifascism: The Course of a Crusade by Paul Gottfried Lenin: The Man, the Dictator, and the Master of Terror by Victor Sebestyan Stalin, Volume I: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928; Stalin, Volume II: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941 by Stephen Kotkin (also here, here, here and here)

    233. Stanley Payne on The Spanish Civil War, The Soviet Union, and Communism
  6. Jul 13

    232. D. G. Hart on Protestants and Patriots: Presbyterians in the Age of Revolution

    In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Darryl Hart to discuss his book Protestants and Patriots: Presbyterians in the Age of Revolution. What is Presbyterianism, and “why did Prebyterianism so often emerge as an irritant in British and American Politics between 1630 and 1800?” How did John Calvin, and his Ecclesiastical Ordinances of 1541 come to influence (and be influenced by) a British context – in which debates over Biblical ecclesiology so often involved challenges to both the Crown and bishops. What were the political implications of Presbyterianism? In “the first English installment of the case for Presbyterianism” - who was Thomas Cartwright and what was the nature of some of the debate with future archbishop of Canterbury, John Whitgift? Taking us into the unity and diversity of Presbyterian emphases and development across the Anglo-American world, we see how the emphasis on the spiritual independence of the church stayed consistent even as support for religious establishment in the Old World gradually shifted in the New World toward a support of “the emerging structures of liberal society”. Moreover, there was an irony in the fight for requiring confessional subscription in American Presbyterianism – as the issue of church authority was a real struggle in the church as a church, even apart from the shifting political ideals. Listen in, as Dr. Hart takes us through the place of Presbyterian Minister John Witherspoon (the only active minister to sign the Declaration of Independence) in the general story of Presbyterianism – as well as how the Presbyterian story was such a “necessary stimulant for the orthodoxy of liberal democracy” in the broader society. Book: Protestants and Patriots: Presbyterians in the Age of Revolution Other resources by Dr. Hart: Defending the Faith: J. Gresham Machen and the Crisis of Conservative Protestantism in Modern America Also: Hear our interview on this book here Check out his course for Reformed Forum here Calvinism: A History Seeking a Better Country: 300 Years of American Presbyteriansim The Lost Soul of American Protestantism Benjamin Franklin: Cultural Protestant From Billy Graham to Sarah Palin: Evangelicals and the Betrayal of American Conservatism Other resources: The Institutes of the Christian Religion; Ecclesiastical Ordinances of 1541 by John Calvin The Westminster Confession of Faith The Church of Christ by James Bannerman The Doctrine of the Spirituality of the Church in the Ecclesiology of Charles Hodge by Alan Strange “No Faith Worth Defending” by Carl Trueman The Puritans by David Hall The Reformation of Rights by John Witte Jr. Hot Protestants by Michael Winship How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman American Heretics: Religious Adversaries of the Liberal Order by Jerome Copulsky John Witherspoon and the Founding of the American Republic by Jeffry Morrison Roger Sherman and the Creation of the American Republic by Mark David Hall The Declaration of Independence in Historical Context by Barry Alan Shain

    232. D. G. Hart on Protestants and Patriots: Presbyterians in the Age of Revolution
  7. Jul 6

    231. Paul Gottfried on Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America

    In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Paul Gottfried to discuss his book Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America: A Critical Appraisal. Who was Leo Strauss, and why does he matter? Deeply influencing the conservative movement in America - what was Strauss’ distinctive interpretive approach to texts, including his understanding of “Jerusalem and Athens” as well as his distinction between exoteric and esoteric readings? Leo Strauss was a veteran of WWI for Germany who will eventually be an academic exile at the University of Chicago very much shaped and motivated by the trauma of WWII and the threat of the Cold War. Both connecting and distinguishing Strauss from many of his later students and varying schools of his thought – how should conservatives view the strengths and weaknesses of his/their work? Although often framed as an exercise in retrieving wisdom from the ancients, Gottfried questions how truly committed the Straussian method is to true historical awareness regarding ancient texts, rather than simply an exercise in quirky appropriation for modern concerns - or the selective use of ancient texts for a predictable story leading invariably to the assumed goodness of the modern democratic state. Though Straussians are often critiquing the “triple scourge” of relativism, historicism and postivism against the Left, what are some fundamental concerns that conservatives should have with Strauss, coming from the Right? Is a deep commitment and concern for historical context to be guilty of “historicism”? Indeed, why should Protestant Christians care about this debate, especially how Strauss’ approach can impact both the approach to ancient texts, such as Plato’s Phaedrus (and by implication, the Bible), as well as how those ancient texts may speak to the world today? Though sometimes only seen in a debate over the American founding, it is a symptom of a much larger conflict over the value of history, and even how that should or shouldn’t connect to modern concerns. Book: Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America: A Critical Appraisal Also check-out Chronicles Magazine (especially the print magazine): - “Three Conceptions of Conservatism” - “The ‘Creedal Nation’ Myth Just Won’t Die” - “Further Thoughts on a Creedal Nation” Also: “Getting Rights Wrong” Check out our previous interviews: here, and here Other books by Dr. Gottfried: The Search for Historical Meaning: Hegel and the Postwar American Right Multiculturalism and the Politics of Guilt: Toward a Secular Theocracy After Liberalism: Mass Democracy in the Managerial State Fascism: The Career of a Concept Antifascism: The Course of a Crusade Other resources: Check out Bibliography of Leo Strauss - Liberalism Ancient and Modern - The City and Man - Natural Right and History Plato: Phaedrus, Republic, Timaeus, Phaedo (also here, here and here and here) Aristotle: Politics, Nicomachean Ethics Leo Strauss and Anglo-American Democracy by Grant Havers “Harry Jaffa and the Demise of the Old Republic” by Barry Shain “The Heresy of Equality” by M.E. Bradford The Morals of History by Tzvetan Todorov

    231. Paul Gottfried on Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America
  8. Jun 29

    230. Grant Havers on Leo Strauss: A Conservative Critique

    In this episode, we welcome Dr. Grant Havers to discuss his book Leo Strauss and Anglo-American Democracy: A Conservative Critique. Who is Leo Strauss, and why does he matter? One of the most important and influential philosophers of the twentieth century – Strauss is often seen as unquestionably conservative, committed to the reading of ancient philosophy and the retrieval of ancient wisdom. Strauss even opposes “the triple scourge” of relativism, historicism, and positivism – based on human reason. But is there more to the story? Listen in as Dr. Havers takes us through how Straussians often downplay the role of Christianity in the development of Western Civilization – as well as assume and project secularism into the convictions of the philosophers they read and analyze. Indeed, what Dr. Havers identifies as “the lacuna in Strauss’s hermeneutic” is the pivotal and essential role that Christianity played in shaping “the Anglo-American Tradition” – and this is paired with a tendency to reinvent (and even misrepresent) Plato and Aristotle into something akin to the modern post-WWII Liberal order that actually was the project to which Strauss was dedicated. Do the Straussians truly understand the Greeks accurately? And why are Plato and Aristotle seen as more universal and timeless than Biblical religion? Indeed, can Strauss truly defend the West without a clear and robust commitment to what the Bible has contributed to its uniquely blessed heritage and tradition? We end with Dr. Havers fascinating analysis of what Protestant Christians can both learn and avoid when it comes to even Strauss’ own analysis of the divide between Jerusalem and Athens. Perhaps Strauss’ dualism between the two both honors how uniquely valuable Jerusalem has been to our culture and institutions – but also downplays how great Christian thinkers, such as John Calvin, have not simply reduced the revealed religion of the Bible into fideism and blind obedience. We end with Dr. Havers thoughts about how dependent upon Revelation (that is, the Bible) is Western Civilization, and how is this recognition necessary for any attempt to revitalize it going forward. Book: Leo Strauss and Anglo-American Democracy: A Conservative Critique Other resources by Dr. Havers: - The Medium is Still the Message: Marshall McLuhan for Our Time - Lincoln and the Politics of Christian Love Some resources by Leo Strauss: Bibliography of Leo Strauss Liberalism: Ancient and ModernNatural Right and HistoryStudies in Platonic Political PhilosophyThe City and Man- “Progress or Return?” - “Jerusalem and Athens” (also here, and here – and here) - “On the Interpretation of Genesis” (also here) - “Persecution and the Art of Writing”  - Thoughts on Machiavelli Other resources: Leo Strauss and the Conservative Movement in America: A Critical Appraisal by Paul Gottfried The Ancient Economy by M.I. Finley Karl Marx by William Dennison In the Beginning: The Opening Chapters of Genesis by Henri Blocher The Bible Among the Myths by John Oswalt The New Science by Giambattista Vico The Anxiety of Influence; The American Religion by Harold Bloom Between Philosophy and Religion, Spinoza, The Bible, and Modernity (2 vol.’s) by Brayton Polka The Origin of Sin by David Konstan

    230. Grant Havers on Leo Strauss: A Conservative Critique
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