Real Finds Podcast: Commercial Real Estate Unfiltered

Gordon Lamphere

Real estate is more than just what we can see, touch, taste, and smell. Real estate drives culture. The Real Finds Podcast connects global trends to real estate decisions across Chicago and the Midwest. Hosted by Gordon Lamphere, a fourth-generation commercial real estate broker at Van Vlissingen & Co., each weekly episode explores how macroeconomic shifts in supply chains, interest rates, automation, public policy, and culture drive commercial real estate outcomes. Moreover, Gordon and his guests take high-level insights and apply them to better understand high-transaction markets, including: Chicago (downtown office, adaptive reuse), Elk Grove and O’Hare (industrial/logistics), Kenosha (SE Wisconsin distribution), Oak Brook and Schaumburg (suburban office), Naperville and the I-88 Corridor (flex and R&D), Bolingbrook and the I-55 Corridor (warehouse/fulfillment), and the collar counties: Lake, DuPage, Will, Kane, and McHenry. Guests include developers, investors, operators, and public-sector leaders shaping the built environment across the Greater Chicagoland Area and the Globe. 🎧 New episodes every Wednesday at 3 PM CT. Learn More About The Real Finds Podcast Learn About Our Commercial Real Estate Services, Commercial Real Estate Agents, & Team Of Property Managers.

  1. Commercial Real Estate Doomers, Gurus, & Industrial Opportunity With Chad Griffiths

    1d ago

    Commercial Real Estate Doomers, Gurus, & Industrial Opportunity With Chad Griffiths

    Industrial real estate looks remarkably similar whether you are in Edmonton, Dallas, or Chicago. On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Chad Griffiths, MBA, SIOR, CCIM, a partner at NAI Commercial in Edmonton and host of The Industrial Real Estate Show, the most-watched industrial real estate podcast in the industry. Chad shares two decades of perspective on the Alberta market, the universal forces reshaping industrial demand, the power crisis facing every warehouse (not just data centers), and how to cut through the noise on real estate social media without selling your soul. We dig into the bifurcation of industrial users, the tension between last-mile delivery and community pushback, the cap rate documentary that revealed no two experts agree, and Chad's prediction for vertical, automated, ultra-high-clear warehouses over the next decade. Timestamps00:00 Cold open: nobody wants warehouses, now nobody wants data centers01:28 Welcome and introducing Chad Griffiths01:35 How Chad accidentally fell into industrial real estate03:18 Always be learning: the danger of thinking you know it all03:59 Inside the Alberta market: oil, gas, and the Texas comparison05:00 Edmonton's 160 million square feet and what makes a building universal06:32 The biggest universal trend: data centers and the power crisis08:00 Electrification of everything, from forklifts to retrieval systems09:20 Higher clear heights, more land, trailer storage09:40 Political instability, tariffs, labor, and deals that no longer pencil10:21 Warehouse and data center moratoriums: Deerfield, California, New York11:09 The last-mile tension: we want fast delivery but nobody wants the warehouse14:36 What it means for occupiers and investors: the rent-to-revenue calculus10:00 The coming bifurcation of industrial users17:40 Reading the cycle: upward pressure on rates and tightening availability18:02 Predicting unpredictability in a chaotic world20:01 Real estate meets social media: the two toxic extremes22:32 The guru-grifter problem and the doomsayer problem25:04 Telling the truth when doomerism gets the views27:23 The cap rate documentary: asking 12 experts, getting 12 answers30:18 Thirty-two ways to calculate a cap rate32:44 Real Finds Final Four: the topic we are not discussing enough34:47 What happens to data centers when we no longer need them35:53 Ten years out: distribution goes vertical37:33 Super-flat floors, power, and the engineering challenge40:08 One minute of advice: become an expert, build relationships42:53 Guest recommendation: Ron Rohde and the world of IOS44:23 Where to find Chad Connect with Chad GriffithsThe Industrial Real Estate Show: industrialize.comAvailable on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTubeX / Twitter: @ChadGriffithsNAI Commercial, Edmonton Connect with Van Vlissingen and Co.Website: https://www.vvco.comPhone: 847-846-6902 Founded in 1879, Van Vlissingen and Co. is Chicagoland's oldest independent commercial real estate brokerage. Subscribe for more conversations with the people shaping commercial real estate.#IndustrialRealEstate #CommercialRealEstate #CRE #DataCenters #Warehouse #RealFindsPodcast #Logistics

    47 min
  2. The Industrial Real Estate Risk Playbook With Daniel S. North

    May 27

    The Industrial Real Estate Risk Playbook With Daniel S. North

    Episode 101 of The Real Finds Podcast features Daniel North, a partner in the Chicago office of Polsinelli, whose practice has built an accidental niche in industrial real estate that took off during COVID and has not slowed since. With over a billion dollars in national property deals behind him, Daniel walks through the legal mechanics of how today's industrial, data center, and multifamily transactions actually get done in a market defined by tariffs, supply chain volatility, geopolitical risk, and a power grid straining to keep up with demand. The conversation covers the rise of small bay industrial and how risk allocation has shifted as tenants prioritize speed, location, and stock turnover over raw size. Daniel traces the evolution of the force majeure clause from boilerplate background language ten years ago to a heavily negotiated business term that now gets fought over at the LOI stage, with detailed carve-outs for pandemics, government shutdowns, tariffs, and supply chain disruption. He draws the critical distinction between timing risk and pricing risk in supply chain delays, explains why contractors are increasingly unwilling to accept true guaranteed maximum price structures, and walks through the political dimension of data center development as communities raise concerns about water usage, electricity costs, and noise. Daniel also breaks down why data center deals run on wattage rather than square footage, how phasing allows gigawatt projects to align with utility capacity over multi-year buildouts, and the asset-specific legal strategies that matter most for industrial speed-to-market, multifamily financing contingencies, and student housing's calendar-driven delivery windows. He closes with what he believes is the most underappreciated story shaping commercial real estate: the power grid and the infrastructure constraints that will dictate where and when the next decade of development actually gets built. For owners, developers, and investors operating in the Chicagoland and Wisconsin industrial corridors, the legal frameworks Daniel discusses translate directly to deals across the I-55 corridor from Romeoville and Bolingbrook through Joliet, Elwood, and Wilmington, the I-80 markets in Channahon and Minooka, and the I-88 corridor running west through Aurora, Naperville, and Sugar Grove. The O'Hare submarket in Elk Grove Village, Bensenville, Itasca, Wood Dale, and Franklin Park continues to anchor last-mile distribution across DuPage County, while the I-90 corridor through Elgin, Hoffman Estates, Schaumburg, and Huntley supports large-format and small bay product alike. North of the city, Lake County industrial demand stretches through Waukegan, Gurnee, Mundelein, Libertyville, and Vernon Hills before crossing into southeastern Wisconsin, where Kenosha, Pleasant Prairie, Racine, Mount Pleasant, Sturtevant, Oak Creek, and the Milwaukee metro are absorbing reshoring activity, data center siting, and last-mile logistics buildout. Northwest Indiana submarkets including Hammond, Gary, Portage, and Merrillville round out the broader Chicagoland industrial footprint this episode speaks to directly. 📍 Blog: https://www.vvco.com/the-real-finds-blog 🎙️ Podcast: The Real Finds Podcast 📞 847-634-2300 🌐 vvco.com Van Vlissingen and Co. has been the Midwest's oldest commercial real estate brokerage, development, and management firm since 1879.

    48 min
  3. Hydrogen, Data Centers, And The End Of Energy Poverty With Whitaker Irvin Jr.

    May 20

    Hydrogen, Data Centers, And The End Of Energy Poverty With Whitaker Irvin Jr.

    Welcome to episode 100 of the Real Finds Podcast. To mark the milestone, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Whitaker Irvin Jr., CEO of Q Hydrogen, the company commercializing a breakthrough hydrogen production technology and preparing to open one of the world's first economically viable renewable hydrogen power plants in Groveton, New Hampshire. The most common refrain across 100 episodes has been simple: we don't talk about energy and energy access enough. This conversation answers that directly. Whit walks through how hydrogen factors into the data center power crisis, why five-to-seven-year grid interconnect queues are reshaping site selection, and what plentiful behind-the-meter clean energy could mean for industrial development, co-located users, and the global economy. If you're in energy, data centers, industrial site selection, or capital markets touching infrastructure, this is a must-listen. Timestamps 00:00 — Intro: 100 episodes and the energy access problem 01:33 — Whit's path from aerospace and finance into the family business 02:23 — Why hydrogen, and the accidental 2008 discovery behind Q Hydrogen 04:17 — What makes hydrogen valuable: mobility, chemicals, and power 06:21 — Hydrogen and the data center boom 08:29 — Infrastructure needed to run hydrogen as a power source 10:30 — Behind-the-meter power in Groveton, NH 12:48 — Storage and volatility: why conventional hydrogen is expensive 15:26 — Grid interconnect queues and how hydrogen reshapes site selection 18:21 — Repurposing idle assets, including old coal plants 20:23 — How Wall Street and London see hydrogen 22:00 — Green, blue, and the financial math of incentives 24:38 — What we're not talking about enough 27:22 — AI, the trades, and the human aspect of the next economy 27:56 — What a positive energy future looks like in 10 years 30:02 — Career advice: don't be so quick to judge 32:38 — Next guest: Gabe Tishman 33:07 — How to reach Whit Connect with Whitaker Irvin Jr. Email: WIRVIN2@QuasarWave.com Company: Q Hydrogen — https://qhydrogen.com About the Real Finds Podcast The Real Finds Podcast features real conversations with the entrepreneurs, activists, and researchers shaping the real estate industry and the world around it. Hosted by Gordon Lamphere of Van Vlissingen and Co., Chicagoland's oldest private commercial real estate brokerage. Subscribe, like, and review — your feedback helps us bring on more guests of this caliber. Learn more about Van Vlissingen and Co.: https://vvco.com Have a site selection, industrial, or investment question? Call us at 847-846-6902. #RealFindsPodcast #Hydrogen #QHydrogen #CleanEnergy #DataCenters #EnergyTransition #IndustrialRealEstate #SiteSelection #BehindTheMeter #GridInterconnect #RenewableEnergy #CommercialRealEstate #VanVlissingen

    34 min
  4. How Regional Brokers Beat The National Flags With Kurt & Stewart Jensen

    May 13

    How Regional Brokers Beat The National Flags With Kurt & Stewart Jensen

    On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Kurt and Stewart Jensen, SIORs and industrial brokers at Kessinger Hunter & Company in Kansas City. Two thirds of the legendary Jensen team, Kurt and Stewart bring a practitioner's view of the Midwest industrial market and the case for regional expertise in a globalized brokerage world. We dig into what's actually happening on the ground in Kansas City industrial: where demand is strongest in the 20,000 to 100,000 square foot bracket, why tenant improvement allowances have ballooned from a buck or two per foot to as much as ten, and how manufacturing, fabrication, and data center adjacent occupiers are driving real space needs. The Jensens also walk through Kansas City's unique cold storage dynamic with its subgrade limestone cave inventory, why power is the new sexy utility, and how IOS plays out differently in KC than in Chicagoland. We close on liquidity, lender optimism, the geopolitical drag on deal pace, and the question every broker is asking: what does the next ten years look like with AI in the mix. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Cold open 00:41 Intro 01:42 The Jensen family business and getting into industrial 02:55 Regional brokers vs national flags and the SIOR network 08:27 Kansas City industrial market overview 11:47 Tenant optionality and lease term dynamics 15:27 Who is leasing right now: manufacturers, fabricators, data center adjacent 18:52 Power demand and the new value of heavy power buildings 24:11 Cold storage and Kansas City's limestone cave inventory 31:32 IOS in Kansas City vs Chicagoland 36:00 Capital, liquidity, and lender sentiment 42:12 Concessions, free rent, and the optionality premium 48:06 Ten years out: AI, relationships, and the future of brokerage 53:22 Advice for brokers under 30 58:21 Who Gordon should have on next 1:00:31 How to reach Kurt and Stewart CONNECT WITH KURT AND STEWART JENSEN Kessinger Hunter & Company, Kansas City Kurt Jensen: KJensen@kessingerhunter.com Stewart Jensen: SJensen@kessingerhunter.com Their podcast: On Air with Kessinger Hunter CONNECT WITH GORDON LAMPHERE AND VAN VLISSINGEN AND CO. Van Vlissingen and Co. is Chicagoland's oldest private commercial real estate brokerage, serving the Greater Chicago and Midwest industrial and commercial markets. Website: https://vvco.com Phone: 847-846-6902 If you enjoyed this episode, please like, follow, and leave a five star review. Your comments, interactions, and subscriptions help us continue to bring on quality guests. Find the Real Finds Podcast on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. #RealFindsPodcast #CommercialRealEstate #IndustrialRealEstate #KansasCity #CRE #SIOR #MidwestIndustrial #IndustrialBrokerage #ColdStorage #DataCenters #IOS #VanVlissingen #Chicagoland #RealEstateInvesting

    1h 3m
  5. Brownfields to Billions: The Hidden CRE Opportunity With Sam Haydock

    May 6

    Brownfields to Billions: The Hidden CRE Opportunity With Sam Haydock

    Brownfields, abandoned industrial and commercial properties sitting idle across America's cities and suburbs represent some of the most undervalued opportunities in commercial real estate. But unlocking that value requires navigating a maze of environmental due diligence, contamination risk, and government incentive programs that most investors don't fully understand. On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Sam Haydock, Principal and Director of Business Development at BL Companies, to break down how developers and investors can turn contaminated, overlooked properties into productive, tax-generating assets. With over 35 years of experience in environmental and land-use consulting, Sam walks us through what actually qualifies as a brownfield, how to structure due diligence on a contaminated site, the hidden costs of PCBs and asbestos in older buildings, and why public grant programs in Connecticut and across the U.S. have generated $23 in private investment for every $1 spent. They also dig into the emerging debate over whether brownfields should be converted to residential use or preserved for the industrial and manufacturing jobs that communities still need. Topics Covered: - What qualifies as a brownfield vs. a grayfield - Environmental due diligence: soil, groundwater, asbestos, lead, and PCBs - Industrial-to-multifamily and office-to-residential conversions - Federal and state funding sources - Why some brownfields sit idle for decades (and how to fix that) - The future of brownfield redevelopment and AI's role in CRE Connect with Sam Haydock: Email: shadock@blcompanies.com Cell: 203-314-7369 Connect with Van Vlissingen and Co.: Website: https://www.vvco.com Phone: 847-846-6902 If you found this episode valuable, please leave us a five-star rating and review it helps us keep bringing on guests like Sam. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Looking for your next redevelopment opportunity? Van Vlissingen and Co.'s is a Chicago Metro Area leader in identifying and sourcing industrial and commercial sites across Chicagoland and the Midwest including brownfield and value-add properties with redevelopment potential. Reach out at vvco.com or call 847-846-6902. #BrownfieldDevelopment #CommercialRealEstate #RealEstate #RealFindsRealEstate #CRE #RealEstateInvesting #EnvironmentalConsulting #RealFindsPodcast

    38 min
  6. Mastering the Art and Science of Persuasion With Josh Bandoch

    Apr 29

    Mastering the Art and Science of Persuasion With Josh Bandoch

    What separates top dealmakers from everyone else? The answer isn't market knowledge or leverage...it's persuasion. Josh Bandoch, persuasion expert, TEDx speaker, policy advocate, and author of How to Get What You Want: Mastering the Art and Science of Persuasion, joins Gordon Lamphere to break down the neuroscience behind every negotiation, landlord-tenant dispute, and community approval process in commercial real estate. Josh spent a decade developing an applied neuroscience-based persuasion framework across high-stakes policy environments. In this episode, he translates that framework directly into the language of deals, leases, zoning boards, and long-term client relationships. What we cover: - Why persuasion is shared action, not winning, convincing, or conquering - The "persuader's mindset" and why putting the other side first closes more deals - How to identify barriers before pushing forward on any negotiation - Why the human brain feels before it reasons and what that means for every pitch you make - The single question that unlocks honest, useful answers from any counterpart - How to handle defensive prospects, problem tenants, and heated community meetings - Why your long-term reputation in a market is your most valuable negotiating asset Timestamps: 00:00 — What persuasion actually is (and what it isn't) 03:32 — Persuasion vs. manipulation 07:27 — The persuader's mindset 11:40 — Listening as a power move 13:51 — Three techniques to reduce defensiveness 16:16 — Why the brain feels before it reasons 30:35 — Working with community boards and overcoming fear 37:00 — Landlord-tenant negotiations and emotional intelligence 42:25 — The #1 practical takeaway for getting more out of negotiations Connect with Josh Bandoch: Website: joshuabandoch.com LinkedIn: Josh Bandoch Book: How to Get What You Want — available on Amazon and wherever books are sold Connect with Van Vlissingen and Co.: Website: vvco.com Email: info@vvco.com Phone: (847) 846-6902 If you found value in this episode, please leave us a five-star rating and review. It helps us keep bringing on guests like Josh. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Looking to buy, sell, or lease commercial real estate in Chicagoland? Van Vlissingen and Co. is the Midwest's oldest private commercial real estate brokerage — reach us at vvco.com or call (847) 846-6902. #CommercialRealEstate #Persuasion #Negotiation #RealEstatePodcast #RealFindsPodcast #CRE #Mindset #Dealmaking #ChicagoRealEstate #JoshBandoch

    46 min
  7. State Of The Chicagoland Commercial Real Estate Market 2026 - Q2

    Apr 29

    State Of The Chicagoland Commercial Real Estate Market 2026 - Q2

    Chicagoland Commercial Real Estate Q1 2026: The Market Stopped Waiting Eighteen months ago, this market was in a holding pattern. That phase is over. Not because the uncertainty resolved — it didn't. But the deals that are getting done right now are being priced for a world that is permanently more expensive to build in, permanently more selective about where institutional capital goes, and permanently more bifurcated between the assets that matter and the ones that don't. Four asset classes. Four different markets. The cap rate spread alone tells the story. In this Q1 2026 Chicagoland market update, Gordon Lamphere walks through what the aggregated data from the RFP Chicagoland Commercial Real Estate Index (rfp.vvco.com) is actually showing — and what it means for investors, occupiers, and developers making real decisions right now. What's covered: 00:00 — The frame: why the market stopped waiting 01:45 — How the RFP Index aggregates Chicagoland CRE data across every major source 05:00 — Capital markets: debt availability, tariffs, immigration, and the permanent shift in construction economics 08:30 — Office: the CBD supply squeeze, the 2026 lease expiry wave, and what AI tenancy actually looks like 16:00 — Industrial: Class A vs. commodity, reshoring demand, and power as the dividing line 22:30 — Multifamily: the tightest new-delivery pipeline since 2012 and why institutional capital is returning 28:30 — Retail: tested by tariffs, still standing 32:30 — Data centers: the 343-acre signal and the MEP labor constraint affecting every other project 36:30 — Land and redevelopment: what Lincoln Yards taught us about calibration vs. ambition 43:00 — Five things worth knowing for the next 12–18 months Key data points referenced: - Chicago CBD office vacancy ~26.5%, cap rates near 8% - O'Hare/Elk Grove industrial vacancy under 2% - Chicagoland multifamily vacancy 4.7%, only ~9,300 units under construction - Retail vacancy under 5% with stable rent growth - CBD office leasing volume up 7% YoY to ~6.3M SF — strongest since 2019 Access the data: The RFP Chicagoland Commercial Real Estate Index is free and public at rfp.vvco.com. Updated live. Pulls from every major Chicagoland CRE report so you can see the market in aggregate rather than through any single firm's lens. About Van Vlissingen & Co. Van Vlissingen & Co. is a fourth-generation commercial real estate brokerage and property management firm founded in 1879, serving Northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin across industrial, office, retail, and investment property segments. vvco.com | 847-634-2300 If something in this episode is directly relevant to a deal or decision you're working through, reach out. We're happy to help.

    59 min
  8. The Battery Real Estate Play & Return Of Main Street With Aaron Shavel

    Apr 22

    The Battery Real Estate Play & Return Of Main Street With Aaron Shavel

    Aaron Shavel is a professional engineer who built his career in heavy civil construction, including years on MTA subway projects in New York, and now advises on battery energy storage facilities being deployed across the Northeast. He writes on construction, infrastructure policy, and urbanism on Substack and has become one of the sharper voices connecting how things actually get built to how communities actually function. In this episode, Aaron breaks down the battery energy storage boom and why the developer arbitrage window may be shorter than people think, what New York is getting right with the Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 and the Interborough Express, and why sidewalks and pedestrian-scaled infrastructure are the most underrated investment any community can make. He and Gordon then look ahead at autonomous vehicles, the return of the downtown Main Street, and why small-format retail may win out over big-box footprints in walkable corridors. What we cover: - Front-of-meter vs. behind-the-meter battery storage and how developers play the price-arbitrage game - Why the battery arbitrage window has a negative network effect built into it - What makes a great battery storage site (hint: it's not just cheap land) - How public-private partnerships are actually structured on energy projects in New York - Why the "war on cars" framing kills transit investment before it starts - The pragmatism gap on megaprojects and how the MTA cut millions off Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 - Why sidewalks, crosswalks, and bus stops are the highest-ROI infrastructure most communities ignore - Storefront sizing, small-format retail, and the return of the downtown Main Street - How autonomous vehicles will reshape parking mandates and the built environment - Career advice for young professionals entering real estate, construction, and design About The Real Finds Podcast Hosted by Gordon Lamphere, The Real Finds Podcast features conversations with operators, investors, developers, policy thinkers, and business leaders shaping commercial real estate and the built world. The show focuses on practical insights, market trends, and the ideas changing how people invest, build, and use space. 🔔 Subscribe to Real Finds Podcast for weekly conversations with operators, investors, and developers at the frontier of commercial real estate. 🔗 Connect with Aaron Shavel on LinkedIn and Substack LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronshavel/ Substack: https://aaronshavel.substack.com/about

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Real estate is more than just what we can see, touch, taste, and smell. Real estate drives culture. The Real Finds Podcast connects global trends to real estate decisions across Chicago and the Midwest. Hosted by Gordon Lamphere, a fourth-generation commercial real estate broker at Van Vlissingen & Co., each weekly episode explores how macroeconomic shifts in supply chains, interest rates, automation, public policy, and culture drive commercial real estate outcomes. Moreover, Gordon and his guests take high-level insights and apply them to better understand high-transaction markets, including: Chicago (downtown office, adaptive reuse), Elk Grove and O’Hare (industrial/logistics), Kenosha (SE Wisconsin distribution), Oak Brook and Schaumburg (suburban office), Naperville and the I-88 Corridor (flex and R&D), Bolingbrook and the I-55 Corridor (warehouse/fulfillment), and the collar counties: Lake, DuPage, Will, Kane, and McHenry. Guests include developers, investors, operators, and public-sector leaders shaping the built environment across the Greater Chicagoland Area and the Globe. 🎧 New episodes every Wednesday at 3 PM CT. Learn More About The Real Finds Podcast Learn About Our Commercial Real Estate Services, Commercial Real Estate Agents, & Team Of Property Managers.