The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

  1. Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.

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    Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.

    Butch Walker has spent decades at the summit of the music industry, producing multi-platinum records for icons like Pink, Katy Perry, and Green Day while fronting his own high-energy solo tours. Yet, despite reaching that peak, he found himself "climbing the hill" so intently that he had forgotten to look at the view, leading to burnout and a desire to step back. In this conversation, we explore the courage required to dismantle an ego-driven path in favor of a soul-driven one, and finding unbridled joy in the simple act of being a "sponge" for new inspiration. In This Episode: Butch WalkerJohn Legend'The Real Frank Zappa Book'TrainTaylor SwiftBad BunnyKendrick LamarDesmond Child Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron's work.More about Michaela Anne's work. Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    45 min

  2. 12/31/2025

    Kathleen Edwards on losing perspective, winning the lottery, and 'Quitters'.

    Kathleen Edwards has been releasing records for over 20 years on labels such as Rounder and Dualtone, she is critically acclaimed by NPR, The New York Times, The New Yorker, and Rolling Stone, and has worked with Jason Isbell, Bon Iver, John Doe, Marren Morris. We talk to Kathleen about winning the lottery, quitting as an ego reset, why musicians are the bottom of the food chain, finishing on a positive, and a whole lot more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Kathleen EdwardsKen YatesAllison RussellStephen Wilson JrEp 126 - Yancey StricklerKahlil GibranClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    43 min

  3. 12/29/2025

    How UMAW is leading the labor movement to save the music industry.

    UMAW (the United Musicians and Allied Workers) is a labor organization that 'Aims to organize music workers to fight for a more just music industry and to join with other workers in the struggle for a better society.' Their campaigns include Fair Pay at SXSW, #MyMerch (raising awareness of venues taking an unfair cut), Justice at Spotify, and probably most prominently, The Living Wage For Musicians Act sponsored by Rep Rashida Tlaib in the US Congress currently. We talk with a representative from UMAW - Damon Krukowski (a working musician, and a founder of late 80's indie rocker band Galaxie 500) about who UMAW is, what they are fighting for, and how we can all join the fight. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: UMAWGalaxie 500‘Why Sound Matters’Ep 126 - Yancey StricklerAFMSAG-AFTRALiving Wage for Musicians ActClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    52 min

  4. 12/24/2025

    Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.

    Chely Wright has sold over 1.5 million records with 90s country anthems like "Single White Female" and "Shut Up and Drive," she released her landmark autobiography, "Like Me" in 2010, becoming the first mainstream country star to come out, and forcing open conversations about LGBTQ identity, after a 10 year absence she returned to The Opry in 2019, released another book 'My Moment' in 2022, and has since pivoted to the corporate world where she is now an SVP. We talk with Chely about this pivot and giving ourselves permission to innovate, consulting your 90 year old self, Ellen's brutally honest advice on losing it all when Chely first came out, manifesting vs reality and a whole lot more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Chely Wright'Like Me: Confessions of a Heartland Country Singer''My Moment'Mountain StageISSEllenEp 16 - Rodney CrowellJean SmartMare of EasttownWayne KirkpatrickEp 100 - Rosanne CashPeter GomesClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    48 min

  5. 12/17/2025

    Jim Keller on the crash and burn, ego death, and the magic of jam sessions.

    Jim Keller started in the music industry as part of Tommy Tutone, writing the hit '867-5309/Jenny', then the bands career sank and he left performing, landing as an assistant and then manager for Phillip Glass, Nico Muhly, Ravi Shankar, and others, before 'retiring' and returning to making music by hosting jam sessions with members of The Black Crowes, Levon Helm's band, The Beach Boys, The Wallflowers, The Lumineers, and more. We talk to Jim about the realities of 'crashing and burning', the business and creative divide, the power of honesty, knowing your role, showing up, and a whole lot more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Jim KellerTommy TuToneAdam MinkoffTony LeoneNonesuch RecordsEp 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterEp 16 - Rodney CrowellPhilip GlassByron IsaacsChris MastersonNico MuhlyRachel PortmanAudley FreedLilly WinwoodClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    52 min

  6. 12/10/2025

    Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.

    Max Wanger is an LA-based photographer who has shot the likes of Taylor Swift, Mandy Moore, Blake Mills, Glen Hansard, Madison Cunningham and past guests of ours Lucius, The Watson Twins, and The Milk Carton Kids, as well as Conde Nast Traveler, Virgin Records, Vans, Nike and many many more. We talk to Max about listening to the lull, doing jobs that pay the bills while protecting play and soul in the work, imposter syndrome, admitting what you don’t know, and how vulnerability deepens community, the long arc of following what makes you happy, and so much more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Max Wanger24x2425x25Ep 124 - AJRClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    43 min

  7. 12/03/2025

    Raye Zaragoza on healing the hustle wound, decentralizing, and patreon.

    Raye Zaragoza has released 4+ records all independently, toured as Tigerlily in the Broadway touring version of Peter Pan (updated for indigenous representation by Native American playwright Larissa FastHorse), wrote the music for the Netflix series 'Spirit Rangers', and has placed songs in a substantial number of TV shows from Greys Anatomy to Station 19. We talk to Raye about the toxic hustle narrative in music and how to unlearn it, listening to your intuition vs. listening to the industry, decentralizing how you identify as an artist, running a successful and supportive Patreon community, and so much more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Raye ZaragozaRomán ZaragozaSpirit RangersPeter Pan broadwayBrandi CarlisleJulia MichaelsPatreonEp 111 - J Edward KeyesClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    53 min

  8. 11/26/2025

    Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.

    Kris Delmhorst has released 12+ records independently and via Signature Sounds, has written/performed and recorded with Mary Gauthier, Lori McKenna, Grant Lee Phillips, Peter Wolf (lead singer of J. Geils Band), and more, is critically acclaimed by The Boston Globe, LA Times, Pop Matters, and all your favorite songwriters, and has written for tv & film, as well as countless festivals all over the world. We talk with Kris about creative cycles, retreating, and the necessity of disappearing to make real art, trusting your career through slow seasons, motherhood versus touring, sustaining a two-songwriter household, reframing art as a service rather than ego, and so much more. Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here. Links: Kris DelmhorstEp 14 - Mark ErelliEp 60 - Lori McKennaEp 26 - Katie PruittJeffrey FoucaultGreg BrownEp 123 - Dave HausNowhere Else FestivalClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube. Social Media: The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

    46 min
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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  • Creator
    Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    140
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2023-26 The 0ther 22 Hours Podcast
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