International Enneagram Association Podcast

International Enneagram Association
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Our mission is to foster a global and inclusive Enneagram community through Engagement, Education, and Excellence. We envision a world in which the Enneagram is widely used for positive change.

  1. 7h ago

    Julia Twomey-Davie: Enneagram Types & Jungian Archetypes, 1994

    Julia Twomey-Davie presents her dissertation linking the Wagner Enneagram Inventory to Carol Pearson's 12 Heroic Archetypes—the first empirical study to test both systems together. Testing 185 subjects with five psychological instruments, she found that anxiety predictably triggers disintegration pathways: anxious Ones, for example, shifted toward Four traits and away from Seven. Recorded live at Stanford's First International Enneagram Conference in August 1994. Julia Twomey-Davie describes her dissertation research connecting Enneagram types to Jungian archetypes. After learning the Enneagram from Dr. Jerry Wagner at Loyola University, she worked with patients at Northwestern Memorial Hospital and saw how the system clarified psychological patterns. Wagner suggested she test whether Pearson's 12 archetypes correlated with Enneagram types, and whether ego strength and anxiety shifted those correlations. She administered five instruments to 185 adults: Wagner's Enneagram Inventory, Pearson's Heroic Myth Index, the Barron Scale (MMPI), Spielberger State-Trait Anxiety Inventory, and the Crown Marlowe Social Desirability Scale. Her hypothesis—that the 12 archetypes function like a periodic table of psychological elements—held up: specific types consistently matched specific archetypes. Most striking: high anxiety reliably produced disintegration movement. Ones under stress showed Four traits and lower Seven scores. She walks through her data tables, predictions versus results, and acknowledges her sample's limitations: 83% women, 62% with graduate degrees, 95% Caucasian. Chapters00:00 First International Enneagram Conference 00:34 Dr. Wagner, Northwestern Hospital, Dissertation 02:21 185 Adults, Five Inventories 04:29 Archetypes & the Collective Unconscious 07:00 Innocent, Orphan, Warrior, Caregiver 11:49 Results: Ego Strength, Anxiety & Disintegration Resources mentioned in this episodeAwakening the Heroes Within: 12 Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform the World — Carol Pearson — The primary text Twomey-Davie's research is based on; Pearson's three-stage model of archetypes structures the entire study.Six Archetypes We Live By — Carol Pearson — A companion volume by Pearson that Twomey-Davie recommends alongside *Awakening the Heroes Within*.The Heroic Myth Index — Carol Pearson — The measurement instrument Pearson designed to assess archetype patterns; used as one of five inventories in Twomey-Davie's study to test 185 subjects.Wagner Enneagram Inventory — Dr. Jerry Wagner — The Enneagram assessment tool designed by Dr. Wagner; one of the five core instruments used in the research to generate total, positive, and negative Enneagram scores.Minnesota Multiphase Personality Inventory (Barron Scale) — University of Minnesota — One of the most widely used psychological instruments; Twomey-Davie used it to measure ego strength in correlation with Enneagram patterns.Spielberger State-Trait Anxiety Inventory (STAI) — A mainline psychological measure used to assess anxiety levels and their effect on Enneagram disintegration pathways in the study.

  2. Sep 17

    Story Booth: Melissa Davis, Carmel Buckley & Caryn Berley from the 2025 IEA Experience

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to conversations with Melissa Davis, Carmel Buckley and Caryn Berly. They talk about how they found their type, what changed in their relationships, and what they want from the IEA community going forward. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  3. Sep 3

    Maria Beesing on 47 Years of Teaching the Enneagram: Why Self-Knowledge Comes First

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Leslie Hershberger speaks with Maria Beesing, co-founder of the IEA and co-author of “The Enneagram: A Journey of Self-Discovery,” which was published in 1984. Maria reflects on four decades teaching the Enneagram and its main purpose to know one’s own type. She talks about the evolution of her own understanding of this tool, which continues to broaden and deepen, and the shift she has noticed for more inclusivity in the last 35 years. She also discusses what she hopes for the next generation, which is to know themselves and trust their creator. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Leslie Hershberger: Web: lesliehershberger.com Facebook: Leslie Hershberger LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lesliehershberger Maria Beesing: Book: The Enneagram: A Journey of Self Discovery by Maria Beesing, Robert J.Nogosel and Patrick H. O'Leary Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  4. Aug 20

    Story Booth: Karen & Sarah Carlsen, Jakob Florentz Horn and Mettstine Hattesen, & Caryn Berley

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to brief conversations with Karen & Sarah Carlsen, Jakob Florentz Horn and Mettstine Hattesen, and Caryn Berley. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  5. Aug 6

    Measuring Enneagram Change: The Enneagram Prison Project & Research Design

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Laura Baker: Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788 Enneagram Prison Project: Web: enneagramprisonproject.org Jack Killen: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b Dan Siegel: Web: drdansiegel.com Web: mindsightinstitute.com Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel Denise Daniels: Web: drdaviddaniels.com David Daniels: Web: drdaviddaniels.com Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  6. Jul 23

    Story Booth: Julius Rainey & Nicole Rainey, Elmarie Roberts, & Wendy Miller

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to short conversations with Julius Rainey & Nicole Rainey, Elmarie Roberts and Wendy Miller. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  7. Jul 9

    The Brain Group: Enneagram Meets Neuroscience with Jack Killen, David Daniels & Laura Baker

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the first part of a discussion with Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels as they talk about The Brain Group – a collaboration with Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel – and the model they’ve developed called Patterns of Developmental Processing. The human brain and the mind operate in the world by looking and seeing for patterns, making assumptions based on those patterns, and then motivating actions on that basis. These five researchers bring their own perspective to discuss how the Enneagram might develop over someone’s lifespan and the connections between the nine early temperaments that align perfectly with the nine Enneagram types. They also explore some of the challenges they saw in the development of their model. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Laura Baker: Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788 Jack Killen: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b/ Dan Siegel: Web: drdansiegel.com Web: mindsightinstitute.com Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel Denise Daniels: Web: drdaviddaniels.com David Daniels: Web: drdaviddaniels.com Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

  8. Jun 25

    Story Booth: Ginger Lapid Bogda & Sharon K. Ball, Lucille Greeff & Andisiwe Mketo, Valarie Tih

    In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to storybooth interviews with Ginger Lapid Bogda, Sharon K. Ball, Lucille Greeff, Andisiwe Mketo and Valerie Tih. Sharon and Ginger talk about the evolution of their relationship from mentor-mentee to friends and what they have learned from each other. Lucille Greeff and Andisiwe Mketo interview each other about the future of the Enneagram, sharing the importance of learning from people with different cultures and perspectives to ensure that the Enneagram community is fully global. And lastly, Valerie Tih discusses why the Enneagram is valuable for parents to become more responsive and less reactive as they raise a generation of problem solvers. Connect with us: Web: internationalenneagram.org IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com Join the email list: administration@internationalenneagram.org Ginger Lapid Bogda: Web: theenneagraminbusiness.com Web: enneagramlearningportal.com IG: @theenneagraminbusiness LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/gingerl Sharon K. Ball: Substack: sharonkball.substack.com IG: @sharonkball Book: Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience Lucille Greeff: Web: gentlespirit.co.za Web: aephoriagroup.com Andisiwe Mketo: Web: aephoriagroup.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/andisiwe-mketo Valerie Tih: Web: joyfullcoaching.ca IG: @joyfullcoaching Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Lindsey Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Flemming Christensen: Web: flemmingchristensen.com Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters” IG: @flemmingchristensencom FB: Flemming Christensen LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

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