Dakota Live! Podcast

Robert Morier

The Dakota Live! Podcast is designed for your fundraising needs. The goal of this podcast is to help you better know the people behind the investment decisions. Dakota connects investment salespeople with leading investment decision makers, ensuring you always know who to call and how to approach the markets you are targeting. Dakota Live! presents investment sales people industry and marketing expertise to make their jobs easier. 

  1. 5d ago

    The Discipline of No: Chip Caravati and Chris Dion of Brockenbrough

    What does it take to earn a place in a portfolio when the default answer is no? For Chip Caravati and Chris Dion of Brockenbrough, selectivity is not simply a feature of manager research. It shapes the way the firm allocates capital, builds portfolios, chooses partners, and thinks about its own business. In this episode of Dakota Live!, Chip, Brockenbrough’s Chief Investment Officer, and Chris, Co-Chief Investment Officer for Institutional Investments, join Robert Morier for a wide-ranging conversation about how a deliberately small investment team makes decisions across public and private markets. The discussion begins with Brockenbrough itself: an independent Richmond investment firm whose roots date to 1970 and whose business today spans private wealth management and a discretionary OCIO platform. Chip reflects on more than three decades at the firm, while Chris discusses the lessons he carried from the University of Richmond endowment into the allocator seat. From there, the conversation gets inside the investment room. Chip and Chris explain why nearly every prospective investment begins as a “no,” how a manager demonstrates a durable right to win, and why relatively few new strategies ultimately make it into the portfolio. The result is a highly curated manager roster—but one in which relationships can endure for years once conviction has been established. They also explore an increasingly important question for allocators: where should the next dollar actually go? Rather than forcing capital into predetermined asset-class buckets, Brockenbrough compares opportunities across the portfolio—including public versus private expressions of the same investment theme—and asks managers and strategies to compete for capital. The conversation moves into lower-middle-market private equity, where Chris explains why Brockenbrough has spent years developing its network and manager-selection capabilities around smaller and earlier funds, and why manager selection can become particularly consequential in that part of the market. Chip and Chris also discuss concentration, succession, independence, the role of relationships in sourcing ideas, and how a boutique investment organization can compete in an industry increasingly defined by scale. It is a conversation about investing, but also about restraint: knowing what you own, knowing what you are looking for, and being willing to wait until something is good enough to change your mind.

    The Discipline of No: Chip Caravati and Chris Dion of Brockenbrough
  2. Sep 23

    Inside Private Real Estate: How Hamilton Lane Evaluates Managers with Liz Bell

    What does it actually take for a private real estate manager to earn an institutional allocation? In this episode of the Dakota Live Podcast, host Robert Morier sits down with Liz Bell, Managing Director and Co-Head of Real Estate at Hamilton Lane, for an inside look at how institutional investors evaluate real estate managers, underwrite opportunities, manage risk, and make investment decisions. Liz takes us behind the investment committee doors and into the manager due diligence process—from the first pitch and track-record analysis to on-site meetings, RFPs, portfolio construction, and the final IC debate. And in today's private real estate market, the manager matters more than ever. Liz explains why Hamilton Lane increasingly looks for specialized operators with deep sector expertise, how humility and team dynamics can reveal what isn't in a pitch deck, and why understanding how a manager behaves when an investment goes wrong can be just as important as studying the investments that went right. The conversation also explores some of the biggest themes reshaping private real estate today, including AI data centers, multifamily, industrial real estate, Europe and Canada, real estate secondaries, semi-liquid structures, and the continued democratization of private markets. Robert and Liz discuss: • How institutional investors evaluate private real estate managers • What Hamilton Lane looks for in a first manager meeting • How track records are analyzed—and where the numbers don't tell the whole story • Why specialized real estate operators are increasingly attractive • The difference between underwriting primary funds, co-investments, secondaries, and other deals • How Hamilton Lane thinks about AI data centers and technology risk • Opportunities in European and Canadian real estate Liz also shares lessons from her career and explains how experiences in emerging markets shaped the way she thinks about partners, governance, liquidity, downside protection, and trust. For investment managers raising institutional capital, students pursuing careers in private markets, and allocators interested in how manager selection actually works. This episode offers a rare look inside the institutional underwriting process.

    Inside Private Real Estate: How Hamilton Lane Evaluates Managers with Liz Bell
  3. Sep 16

    Inside the AI Infrastructure Super Cycle with EQT Infrastructure CEO Erwin Thompson

    Erwin Thompson, CEO of EQT Infrastructure Company (EQIC) and 17-year EQT veteran, joins Robert Morier on Dakota Live! to break down the AI data center and power build-out, a capital expenditure wave that hyperscalers are expected to push past $4–5 trillion by 2030. Erwin explains why the U.S. is adding an estimated 15–20 gigawatts of data center demand a year against a fraction of that in new supply, why hyperscalers are now on pace to outspend the U.S. Department of Defense, and how EQT, the first infrastructure investor in data centers with EdgeConneX, is positioning across digital, energy, and environmental services. He also shares how to tell real, demand-resilient infrastructure from companies "dressed up" as infrastructure, why creativity is the job in private equity, and what the rise of evergreen vehicles means for private wealth investors looking to build a 5–20% infrastructure allocation. In this episode: – From Brooklyn to Bloomberg engineering to BlackRock, UBS, and EQT – How infrastructure investing evolved from privatizations to growth-focused operating companies – Core, core-plus, and value-add infrastructure explained – Infrastructure as an inflation hedge and where it fits between credit, real estate, and PE – The AI CapEx boom, grid capacity, and the data center power gap – Community pushback, water, and sustainability in AI data centers Whether you're an allocator sizing an infrastructure sleeve, a fundraiser positioning a strategy, or an advisor fielding questions about how to get real exposure to AI beyond public tech names, this conversation lands at a pivotal moment. Capital is flooding toward data centers and power; access is widening through evergreen vehicles, and the gap between essential, contracted infrastructure and momentum plays is getting harder to see. Erwin offers a grounded view from one of the firms that got there first, and a framework for separating durable cash flows from a hot trend before you commit capital.

    Inside the AI Infrastructure Super Cycle with EQT Infrastructure CEO Erwin Thompson
  4. Sep 9

    Trevor Graham on Becoming Co-CIO at TIFF

    Most CIO conversations happen years after a transition is finished, or years before one starts. This one happens in the middle of it. Trevor Graham was named Co-Chief Investment Officer of TIFF Investment Management in 2026 as part of a planned leadership transition alongside longtime CIO Jay Willoughby. In this episode, he walks Robert Morier through a succession plan as it unfolds in real time: why a lengthy handoff is a gift rather than a formality, what he's borrowed from watching GP succession plans succeed and fail across 15+ years of manager selection, why the goal is to keep the first principles and not "run the playbook robotically," and how the transition is creating growth opportunities for the next layer of the team, including Brad Calder, his direct report of more than a decade. TIFF was founded in 1991 by leaders at the MacArthur and Rockefeller Foundations to give nonprofits below the scale of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton a fighting chance at endowment-style investing. Today the employee-owned OCIO is organized as a public benefit company and certified B Corp, and is guided by an advisory board made up largely of sitting CIOs from major endowments and foundations. Trevor explains how that board works as a sourcing network, a self-sourced reference check, and a strategic sounding board, including on the succession itself. From there, the conversation gets into how TIFF actually does the work: The three-part screen that eliminates 99% of inbound managers: a persistent competitive advantage in the investment engine, real alignment of interests, and strategic value to the portfolio (a true diversifier or an upgrade), and why Trevor refuses to be a "collector of managers"Why "no such thing as too early": TIFF has no minimum AUM or three-year track record rule and will invest with managers on day one, and how it gets paid for that business riskWhy "too big" is the more common problem, and the three reasons TIFF terminates a managerEvaluating people by what they do, not what they say: fund terms, fees relative to realistic gross excess return, and liquidity provisions as character evidenceThe two numbers that matter most in portfolio construction (equity exposure and illiquidity percentage), and why stated preferences differ from revealed preferences when markets fallWhy Trevor, once the investment committee's biggest hedge fund skeptic, changed his mind, and how TIFF caps the hedge fund book's equity beta at roughly 0.25 to 0.30Where TIFF sits on GP stakes and seeding, and why third-party ownership complicates alignmentThe AI capex boom through the lens of the dot-com era: who captures the margin, the Coke-vs-Pepsi problem with large language models, and a project that would have taken 1,000 human hours done in fiveGeneralists vs. specialists on an investment team, and why low turnover changes how people disagree with the bossWhether you're an allocator thinking about your own succession plan, an asset manager wondering what an OCIO's diligence process really looks like, or a student trying to understand the endowment model from the inside, this episode is a rare look behind the curtain. Disclaimer: Trevor Graham is the Co-Chief Investment Officer at TIFF Investment Management. All views expressed by him on this podcast are solely his opinions and do not reflect the opinions of TIFF. You should not treat any opinions expressed by Trevor as a specific endorsement to make a particular investment. References to any securities are for informational purposes only and do not constitute an investment recommendation or offer to provide investment advisory services. Any past performance discussed is not indicative of future results. Please keep in mind that investment in a fund entails a high degree of risk, including the risk of loss. Please note that the ads featured in this podcast are not endorsed by TIFF, and TIFF is not a sponsor of these ads. TIFF assets under management (AUM) is as of 4/1/26 and includes discretionary and non-discretionary client assets for which TIFF affiliates provide investment management or advisory services. The private markets portion of TIFF AUM is calculated based upon fund net asset value plus unfunded commitments. Calculation of TIFF AUM differs from the calculation of regulatory assets under management in TIFF’s Form ADV filings with the SEC and may differ from the AUM calculation methodologies used by other investment managers. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal, business, tax, or investment advice, nor should it be used to evaluate any investment or security. It is not directed at, or intended for, any current or prospective investor in any investment vehicle sponsored by TIFF. Investing involves risk, including the potential loss of capital. The views and opinions expressed herein are those of TIFF as of the date hereof and are subject to change based on prevailing market and economic conditions. References to specific companies are for illustrative and educational purposes only and do not represent an endorsement or investment recommendation.

    Trevor Graham on Becoming Co-CIO at TIFF
  5. Sep 2

    GP Seeding Explained: How Taproot Capital Backs First-Time PE Funds | Eric Zoller

    GP seeding is one of the least understood corners of private equity — and one of the fastest growing. In this episode of Dakota Live, Robert Morier sits down with Eric Zoller, Co-Founder and CEO of Taproot Capital, to break down how first-time funds and spin-out managers actually get launched, capitalized, and raised. Eric founded SixPoint Partners in 2007, built it into one of the largest independent fund placement advisors in the middle market, sold it to PNC in 2019, and led private capital advisory at Harris Williams before launching Taproot in 2025. He explains the difference between GP seeding, GP stakes, and anchoring, why emerging managers are becoming their own asset class, and what LPs are really underwriting when they back a first-time fund. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: GP seeding vs. GP stakes vs. anchoring — and why LPs confuse themWhy emerging managers and first-time funds outperform, and how LPs get exposureHow to diligence a spin-out manager's track record and deal attributionWhy DPI is holding back otherwise fundable managers right nowThe four-stage fundraise: foundational close, first close, follow-on, final closeWhat's driving spin-out activity: continuation vehicles, consolidation, and stalled carryBuilding the front, middle, and back office of a new PE firm in 60 days ABOUT ERIC ZOLLER: Eric Zoller is Co-Founder and CEO of Taproot Capital, an alternative asset manager launched in 2025 to seed first-time funds and partner with emerging private equity firms. He previously founded SixPoint Partners and served as Managing Director and Head of Private Capital Advisory at Harris Williams. He began his career as an attorney at White & Case and as an investment banker at Merrill Lynch. He holds a BA in History and a JD from the University of Pennsylvania. Learn more about Taproot Capital: https://www.taprootcap.com ABOUT DAKOTA: Dakota Live introduces you to the people behind investment decisions — chief investment officers, manager research professionals, and industry leaders — to help you sell in between the lines and better understand the investment sales ecosystem.

    GP Seeding Explained: How Taproot Capital Backs First-Time PE Funds | Eric Zoller
  6. Aug 19

    On the Road in Waco, Texas | Inside Baylor University with CIOs, Allocators & Students

    In this special On the Road episode, we travel to Baylor University in Waco, Texas, to record a live, on-campus conversation with some of the most thoughtful allocators and investment leaders in the institutional investment world. Hosted from Baylor’s campus, this episode brings together endowment leadership, OCIOs, asset managers, and students for a wide-ranging discussion on long-term investing, manager research, risk, character, and relationship-driven decision-making—the things that actually matter when capital is on the line. Joining the conversation: • Dave Morehead, Chief Investment Officer, Baylor University • Renee Hanna, Managing Director of Investments, Baylor University • Chris Dion, Co-Chief Investment Officer, Brockenbrough • Michael Holmberg, Senior Portfolio Manager, Neuberger Berman Together, they explore how real investment decisions are made—not in theory, but in practice. What this episode covers • How institutional investors think about risk, conviction, and portfolio construction • Why relationships and trust are competitive advantages in manager selection • The role of character in underwriting GPs, OCIOs, and long-term partners • Emerging managers vs. scale managers: where alpha really comes from • Why Baylor has avoided private credit—and what that says about discipline • How allocators collaborate with one another while still competing • What “wearing risk” actually means inside an investment office • Advice for students entering asset management, investing, and finance careers The episode opens with personal travel stories—missed flights, first road trips, international misadventures—that set the tone for a broader theme: learning happens on the road, through experience, mistakes, and shared perspective. From there, the conversation moves deep into the realities of endowment management, OCIO partnerships, and strategic alignment between LPs and GPs. This recording is also part of an experiential learning initiative that brought Drexel University students to Baylor through a competitive writing contest, giving them firsthand exposure to institutional investing, allocator thinking, and professional dialogue in action. If you’re interested in: • Institutional investing • Endowments and foundations • Manager research and due diligence • OCIO models • Private markets and portfolio construction • Teaching finance through real-world experience …this episode offers a rare, candid look inside how thoughtful investors think, collaborate, and lead. Recorded live at Baylor University | Waco, Texas. Part of the On the Road series.

    On the Road in Waco, Texas | Inside Baylor University with CIOs, Allocators & Students
  7. Aug 12

    Client Service as Strategy: Verger Capital’s OCIO Approach

    In this special episode of the Dakota Live! Podcast, host Robert Morier takes the show back on the road to Winston-Salem, North Carolina, where he sits down with Jim Dunn, Chief Executive Officer of Verger Capital Management. From his beginnings as a first-generation college graduate and collegiate soccer goalie to leading one of the most respected OCIO firms in the country, Jim shares how formative experiences in athletics, lifeguarding, and family life shaped his views on risk, leadership, and client service. Jim offers candid insights into: • How Verger’s client-first service model differentiates it in a crowded OCIO marketplace. • The evolution of the OCIO landscape, from investment performance to operational excellence and governance. • The risks of private credit: “When we look at these private credit portfolios, a lot of them have high PIK rates… when there’s distress, that becomes equity. Your correlations go to one. And then what are you going to do?” Actionable takeaway: stress test exposures, as today’s yield can quickly morph into equity-like risk in downturns. • Why the move of private equity into 401(k) portfolios will likely lower return expectations and reshape how the asset class is accessed. • How allocators evaluate venture capital and emerging managers, not just on investment edge but on the durability of their business model across Fund I, II, and III. • Why saying “yes” to uncomfortable opportunities can open the door to leadership. Recorded in Verger’s Winston-Salem offices with Wake Forest University as our backdrop, this episode feels like a “back-to-school” conversation, reminding us that leadership and stewardship are learned through discipline, service, and the willingness to listen.

    Client Service as Strategy: Verger Capital’s OCIO Approach

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The Dakota Live! Podcast is designed for your fundraising needs. The goal of this podcast is to help you better know the people behind the investment decisions. Dakota connects investment salespeople with leading investment decision makers, ensuring you always know who to call and how to approach the markets you are targeting. Dakota Live! presents investment sales people industry and marketing expertise to make their jobs easier. 

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