The upEND Podcast

upEND Movement

We can build a society where children and families are strengthened and supported, not surveilled and separated. The upEND Podcast illustrates that the “child welfare” system is beyond reform and needs to be abolished. The only solution to ending the harm of what we name the family policing system is a fundamental reimagining of the way society cares for children and families.

  1. What About Disabled Parents? (with Dr. Robyn Powell)

    FEB 11

    What About Disabled Parents? (with Dr. Robyn Powell)

    The family policing system considers parents with mental health issues and other disabilities to be an inherent threat to their children. We reject that premise.  Because of ableism, the legacy of eugenics, and the violence of poverty, disabled parents face a high risk of separation by the family policing system.  In this episode, Dr. Robyn Powell discusses how the child welfare system weaponizes the idea of “predictive neglect” to discriminate against parents with disabilities and further enshrine stigma around mental health.  How can we build a future where disabled families are supported through care, community, and trust—not surveillance and punishment?  Reclaiming Safety is upEND’s exploration of frequently asked questions about family policing abolition. This discussion about disability justice is an accompaniment to the essay Reclaiming Safety for Children of Parents with Disabilities by Charisa Smith.  About Our Guest:  Dr. Robyn Powell is an Assistant Professor of Law at Stetson University College of Law and a Senior Research Associate at the Lurie Institute for Disability Policy at Brandeis University. Her work focuses on disability law, reproductive justice, family regulation, and constitutional law, with a special emphasis on the rights of disabled parents and the abolition of the family policing system. She is the principal author of the National Council on Disability’s landmark report Rocking the Cradle, Ensuring the Rights of Parents with Disabilities and Their Children, and her scholarship—featured in leading law reviews and interdisciplinary journals—examines how law and policy continue to reinforce ableism and the legacy of eugenics. Episode Notes:  Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate Episode Transcript: upendmovement.org/podcast/episode301/  Read Reclaiming Safety: upendmovement.org/safety  Dr. Powell recommends people learn more about disability justice through Sins Invalid and the Disability Visibility Project. Connect with Dr. Powell at Stetson Law. Credits:  Hosted by Josie Pickens and Jaison Oliver Produced by Sydnie Mares Mixed by Imani Crosby

    47 min
  2. Reclaiming Safety (with Angela Burton)

    JAN 30

    Reclaiming Safety (with Angela Burton)

    Welcome to Season 3 of The upEND Podcast where we’ll be answering all of your burning questions about family policing abolition! If we get rid of the child welfare system, what will happen when children are harmed? Are abolitionists saying that child abuse is okay?  Reclaiming Safety is upEND’s new anthology series answering important, frequently asked questions and proposing effective, humane responses to crises that occur in our communities. To introduce the series, we talk to the editor of Reclaiming Safety, Angela Burton.  About Our Guest:  Angela Burton is a renowned community lawyer, scholar, and public servant with over thirty years of experience advocating for the rights of parents and children in the family policing system, commonly known as the child welfare system. Her commitment to social justice is driven by a deep understanding of the systemic inequities faced by vulnerable families. Angela has consistently fought to protect the human, constitutional, and civil rights of marginalized individuals, ensuring their voices are heard, their experiences valued, and their expertise centered in catalyzing and implementing change. Episode Notes:  Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate Episode Transcript: upendmovement.org/podcast/episode301/  Read Reclaiming Safety: upendmovement.org/safety  Angela mentions the Repeal CAPTA campaign. Angela co-wrote an article with Angeline Montauban called “Toward Community Control of Child Welfare Funding: Repeal the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act and Delink Child Protection from Family Well-Being.” Angela cites the work of MJ Maleeka Jihad, Narrowing the Front Door, JMAC for Families, and Parents Supporting Parents. Connect with Angela on LinkedIn and Instagram.  Credits:  Hosted by Josie Pickens and Jaison Oliver Produced by Sydnie Mares Mixed by Imani Crosby

    1h 1m
  3. Adult Preschool (with Nalo Zidan)

    03/27/2025

    Adult Preschool (with Nalo Zidan)

    The foster system has more than double the representation of LGBTQ youth than the general population. And LGBTQ youth of color have significantly greater odds of being in the foster system compared to white LGBTQ youth. When marginalized identities intersect across race, gender, and sexuality, we see the harms of the family policing system become compounded.  As a young person, our guest experienced the these systems of oppression and has valuable insights that can help us understand beyond the statistics.  Content Warning:  This episode features conversations around child sexual abuse.  About Our Guest: Nalo Zidan is a philosopher, accountability strategist and masculinity scholar who seeks to challenge the landscapes of how we engage gender, community and justice. From intentional, thought-provoking content to training community organizations, Nalo continues to invite us all to consider implementing community concepts above policing and disposal. Nalo’s next project,  The Adult Preschool, seeks to imagine necessary lessons to connect adult experiences with how to practice community together. This virtual project will offer lessons we deserved to learn as young people; lessons that can change how we see the world and each other. Episode Notes:  Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate Episode Transcript Follow @nalodarling on Instagram.  On the Bad People Podcast, Nalo shares lessons on the complexities of being, the magic of community praxis, and the transformative power of accountability.

    1h 6m
  4. Cops in Cardigans (with Erica Meiners)

    03/05/2025

    Cops in Cardigans (with Erica Meiners)

    Schools have become sites of policing and surveillance that mirror the criminal legal system. To address this, we need to understand what our guest calls the “school-to-prison nexus,” the intersecting web of racist, carceral systems that criminalize our youth. We discuss the history of organizing against the school-to-prison pipeline and how the call for “Counselors Not Cops” needs an abolitionist framework to succeed. We also highlight important wins from decades-long fights like the recent vote to end the school resource office (SRO) program in Chicago Public Schools. Episode Guest: Erica Meiners is a writer, educator and organizer. Their recent books include For the Children? Protecting Innocence in a Carceral State, a co-edited anthology The Long Term: Resisting Life Sentences, Working Towards Freedom, and the co-authored *Feminist and the Sex Offender: Confronting Sexual Harm, Ending State Violence* as well as 2022’s Abolition. Feminism. Now. Most importantly, Erica has collaboratively started and works alongside others in a range of ongoing mobilizations for liberation, particularly movements that involve access to free public education for all, including people during and after incarceration, and other queer abolitionist struggles. They are a member of Critical Resistance, the Illinois Death in Custody Project, the Prison+Neighborhood Arts and Education Project, and the Education for Liberation Network. Erica is also a sci-fi fan, an avid runner, and a lover of bees and cats. Episode Notes: Transcript: upendmovement.org/podcast/episode-205/Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donateTo understand the difference between reforms and abolitionist steps to end family policing, explore our framework tool at upendmovement.org/frameworkWe mention the Repeal CAPTA episode of The upEND Podcast. Learn more about the efforts to repeal the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act at repealcapta.orgErica encourages people to check out the work of organizations like Critical Resistance, Dream Defenders, Movement for Family Power, and the blog Black on Both Sides.

    1h 12m
  5. In Solidarity - upEND Convening Live Recording

    11/13/2024 · BONUS

    In Solidarity - upEND Convening Live Recording

    Welcome to the upEND 2024 Convening! This episode was recorded live in Houston, TX on October 10, 2024.  Our liberation movements are intertwined. What are our strengths and opportunities in working together to achieve our collective goals? Guest host Corey Best moderates a conversation with activists working against prisons, immigrant detention, family policing, and more. Episode Guests:   Corey B. Best is a Black father, community organizer, activist, and leader. Originally from Washington, DC, Corey now resides in Florida. Corey has attached himself to “justice doing” — a movement and never-ending journey of being guided by the principled struggle to advance racial justice within this nation’s child welfare and human service delivery systems.  This work puts Corey in front of more than 10,000 professionals annually and has afforded him with the fundamental knowledge about the importance of connecting to something bigger than himself–allowing perspective, pain, truth, joy, and vulnerability to surface in search of meaningful, collective impact.  In all his endeavors, Corey brings a deepened historical and contemporary analysis of the invention of race, racism, systems of oppression and how those systems interconnect to produce white advantage gaps.   Tanisha Long (she/her) is the Allegheny County community organizer for ALC. She holds a BA in English writing and a minor in legal studies from the University of Pittsburgh. Before her work with ALC, Tanisha organized the Black Lives Matter Pittsburgh and Southwest PA organization working to fight systemic racial injustice. Since 2008, Tanisha has organized rallies and direct actions centered around climate change, voting rights, and mass incarceration. She is also the founder of RE Visions, a nonprofit committed to creating a more equitable learning environment for students of color. Tanisha believes there is a power at the intersection of art & activism; she hopes to use her passion for storytelling to both center and better the lives of those impacted by our inequitable justice systems.   Tarek Ismail is Associate Professor at CUNY Law School, where co-directs the Family Law Practice Clinic and Family Defense Practicum, and is counsel to CUNY Law’s Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility (CLEAR) project.   Jennefer Canales-Pelaez joined the ILRC in 2022. Jennefer has advocated for immigrant rights from the age of 11 when she advocated for her father’s immigration status to the President at the time, George W. Bush. Although her father was ultimately deported, Jennefer dedicated her life and career to ensuring that no one else experiences the trauma she felt at the age of 11. She graduated from Occidental College with a B.A. in Sociology in 2012 and earned her Juris Doctor from Southwestern Law School in 2016. Jennefer is a member of the State Bar of Texas and California. She is also admitted in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Jennefer has been involved with ICE out of LA, Southwestern Immigration Law Clinic, National Immigration Law Center (NILC), Esperanza Immigrant Rights Project, Immigrant Defenders Law Center (IMMDEF), Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights (CHIRLA) and worked with the Los Angeles Immigration Court. Jennefer is a former board member and co-president of the National Lawyers Guild-LA Chapter, and former Apen Ideas Scholar. After moving back to her hometown, Houston, Texas in 2019, she represented survivors of gender-based violence at Tahirih Justice Center prior to joining the ILRC. Jennefer was nominated as one of Houston’s Unsung Heros in 2020.  Episode Notes:  Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate Watch the full video of this session: https://upendmovement.org/event/live-upend-podcast-recording/  Read the episode transcript: upendmovement.org/podcast/2024-convening

    54 min

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We can build a society where children and families are strengthened and supported, not surveilled and separated. The upEND Podcast illustrates that the “child welfare” system is beyond reform and needs to be abolished. The only solution to ending the harm of what we name the family policing system is a fundamental reimagining of the way society cares for children and families.

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