In this milestone Episode 60, Ro and J confront the modern misuse of the word “love.” They draw a hard distinction between conditional, possessive love (“I love you because you make me feel x”) and what they call true love: the substratum of existence itself. Love here is not a transaction, not leverage, not a mood to withhold or reward. It is the continuous ground of being - the same field traditions point to as Sat-Chit-Ananda (being–consciousness–bliss), the Heart, the Tao, the uncaused intelligence behind all life. They explain that most of what we call “love” is actually fear, bargaining, or avoidance of loneliness. Real love is not intermittent. It doesn’t come and go. Only our ability to remain as it is intermittent. When there is no separation, no “me” and “you,” love is simply obvious. From there, the conversation moves into practice. They ask the listener to notice how identity (“I am this body, this history, this opinion set”) feeds separation, insecurity, and even conflict at scale. War, they argue, is what happens when the illusion of separation becomes animated; love is the recognition that nothing was ever separate. Presence - choiceless awareness, unresisting attention to what is - is presented as the lived form of love. They point out that unprocessed emotion, coping patterns, and constant mental negotiation are what keep us from resting in that presence. The invitation is direct: stop trying to “get love” and see that you are the thing you’re chasing. The episode closes with an open door into their Dharma Talks and 1:1 mentorship, both offered as containers to sit in that recognition rather than keep performing the idea of it. Timestamps 00 : 00 – 05 : 00 | The Great Question: What Is Love?Ro and J open with Meher Baba’s reminder that “Love is the only reality.” They begin clearing away the conditional, sentimental versions of love that depend on getting something in return. 05 : 00 – 12 : 00 | Love as the Substratum of ExistenceThey place “love,” “existence,” and “intelligence” side by side - revealing them as one continuous field rather than separate ideas. 12 : 00 – 18 : 00 | True Love vs. Conceptual LoveA breakdown of how “love” became a tradable object - negotiated through possession, memory, or need - and how genuine love begins when all conditions fall away. 18 : 00 – 26 : 00 | The Eternal and the IntermittentThey introduce the core contrast: the eternal (substratum, love) versus the intermittent (time, forms). Anything that comes and goes cannot be love. 26 : 00 – 33 : 00 | The Illusion of TwoWhen two become one, separation collapses. The conversation dives into union, duality, and the misconception of love as possession or exchange. 33 : 00 – 40 : 00 | Resistance, Fear, and the War WithinWar is described as the extreme form of separation - love’s temporary amnesia. Fear and resistance feed the illusion of division. 40 : 00 – 47 : 00 | The Heart of Hearts Ramana Maharshi and the Cosmic HeartEntering the heart means remaining without distraction. Love is not felt in emotion but recognized as the unchanging reality that pervades all. 47 : 00 – End | Realization as Love ItselfThey conclude that awakening is not learning to love but realizing you are love. Presence ends the search; only resistance keeps the illusion alive. The episode closes with an invitation to the Dharma Talks and mentorship for those ready to live from that truth. SPECIAL THANKS to the SACRED CREW: Karen Stewart, Marina Aleman, Ilana Bielak, Jaime Fidel, Gibran Fitch and Aaron Cruz. Please send us an email (info@sacredynamics.com) should you want to sign up for the following Dharma Talk. LINKS: Website: https://www.sacredynamics.com/ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/sacredynamics/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
