Leaving Egypt Podcast Leaving Egypt

Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair talk with Harvey Kwiyani, a theologian from Malawi, now living in Liverpool and working across the UK, Europe and North America  Harvey tells the story of growing up in rural Malawi, a place evangelised by David Livingstone in 1851, where he  heard God’s call as a boy of twelve that he was to become a missionary in Europe. Through the course of their conversation, Jenny and Al learn from Harvey’s insights about the current state of Christianity in Europe and America and the challenges around mission in a context of functional atheism.  They discuss the gifts of African Christianity, for example how Ubuntu (“I am because you are”)offers a countercultural and constructive hope to both churches and economies in the West.
Harvey Kwiyani works for the Church Mission Society (CMS) in Oxford, UK, where he leads a study centre for global witness and human migration and a Masters programme in African Christianity. Harvey is also the CEO of Global Connections, a UK-based  mission network, and a director of MIssio Africanus, a think tank exploring the rise and role of the African missionary movement in world missions. Harvey has published several books and holds a Ph.D. in Missions and Leadership.

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For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3

For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
T4CG Substack: t4cg.substack.com

For Harvey Kwiyani:
LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/harvey-kwiyani-ph-d-039ab745/?originalSubdomain=uk
Global Connections: www.globalconnections.org.uk/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/missioafricanus?lang=en
Substack:
Books:
Decolonising Mission (2024)
Wash and Pray: African Theological Discourse on COVID-19 (2023)
Multicultural Kingdom: Ethnic Diversity, Mission and the Church (2020) 
Our Children Need Roots and Wings: Equipping and Empowering Young Diaspora Africans for Life and Mission (2019)
Mission-Shaped Church in a Multicultural World (2017)
Sent Forth: African Missionary Work in the West (2014)


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Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair talk with the co-hosts of The Missiology Podcast, Martin Rodriguez and Greg McKinzie to discuss mission. They discuss how the churches have been affected by modernity, and how mission needs to change. Sharing the disorientation they encounter among church leaders, they explore the tension between missiological scholarship and relationships with real people. And, drawing on their conversations with missiologists and missionaries, as well as their own missional experience - in South America, China and the United States - in prisons, with the homeless, and in their own neighbourhoods - Martin and Greg share how their grounded relationships shape what they know about justice.
Martin Rodriguez is Family Life Minister at the Hollywood Church of Christ in Hollywood, and served as a missionary in China mentoring emerging leaders and planting churches. He is also an assistant professor in the Department of Practical Theology at Azusa Pacific University in Azusa, California. Martin also holds an MDiv from Fuller Theological Seminary and a degree in Religion and International Studies from Pepperdine University, California. He is also a content editor of Missio Dei: A Journal of Missional Theology and Praxis, a member of the team at missiology.com and co-host of The Missiology Podcast.
Greg McKinzie is the Missions Minister of the Stones River Church in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, an affiliate assistant professor at Fuller Theological Seminary and the executive editor of Missio Dei: A Journal of Missional Theology and Praxis. He is the lead administrator of missiology.com and co-host of The Missiology Podcast. He holds a PhD in theology from Fuller Theological Seminary and served in Peru as a partner in holistic evangelism with Team Arequipa and The Christian Urban Development Association. Greg holds an MDiv from Harding School of Theology, Tennessee, and a BA in missions from Harding University, Arizona.
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For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3
For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
For Martin Rodriguez:  
https://www.apu.edu/faculty/cvs/mrodriguez.pdf
https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-rodriguez-6b7b521ba/
For Greg McKinzie:  
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregmckinzie/details/publications/
For Martin and Greg: 
http://www.missiology.org/podcast
http://missiodeijournal.com/


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Alan Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair talk with Sally Mann about her life in community in the East End of London in the UK, where her family has lived for six generations. Sally tells the story of Bonny Downs Baptist Church where she is one of the pastoral team of five, all of whom are co-vocational. The team shares a single stipend, a model that came out of shared living – what she describes as “lived hospitality.”  Sally describes her love for her community and the transformative work Bonny Downs is doing in a place that many consider a slum. Rather than having “a five year plan”, they find that by listening to God and their neighbours, their abandoned places are being restored for the sake of the common good. Sally says her thinking shifted when she began to take seriously that Jesus is from Nazareth, a poor hillside village, and this has opened up a way of living a life of true freedom.
Dr Sally Mann is a minister at Bonny Downs Baptist Church where she is the fourth of six generations of her family to serve in their East End London community. Also an author and community activist, Sally lectures in Sociology and has a PhD in Philosophy and Theology. She is actively involved in Red Letter Christians, and is one of the original team who launched it in the UK. She has published Looking for Lydia: encounters that shape the church, reflecting on 25 years of ministry in London through the stories of encounters in Acts. 
For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3
For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
For Sally Mann:
Bonny Downs Baptist Church:
https://www.bonnydownschurch.org/
Bonny Downs Community Association:
https://bonnydowns.org/
Staying Put - an essay for Together for the Common Good https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/leading-thinkers/staying-put
Red Letter Christians UK: https://redletterchristians.org.uk/author/dr-sally-mann/
Looking for Lydia: Encounters that shape the Church https://www.amazon.co.uk/Looking-Lydia-Encounters-shape-Church/dp/1790341183/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Gj8uvv2HoolUYiuTfCrohw.WEzPBvVvt5tpcLYWrJcJbF6pMHH3TTgwcjNHfYQioTo&qid=1712777949&sr=8-1


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Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair talk with John van Sloten about his experience of God’s “common grace” after more than twenty-five years as a pastor in Calgary, Canada.  John shares how the dyslexia he was born with has been used by the Spirit to help him recognize and engage God’s presence and agency in creation and nature.  He talks about stepping away from a more traditional pastoral ministry and how he is now leaning into a theology of encounter and “church without walls'', discovering God at work in unexpected places, like city hall and a multinational corporation.
John Van Sloten is a community theologian and writer who lives in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. His passion is to know God more. For the past 20 years he’s been exploring a worldview that seeks to discern God's voice in all things: the Bible and creation (i.e. the arts, sport, science, film, music, literature, history, mathematics, nature and human nature). His first book, The Day Metallica Came to Church: Seeing the Everywhere God in Everything (2010), listens for God's whispers in pop culture. His second book, Every Job a Parable; What Walmart Greeters, Nurses and Astronauts tell us about God (2017), listens for God's words at work. His latest book is God Speaks Science (2023). John is a regular columnist with the Calgary Herald.
For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3
For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
For John van Sloten:
https://nationalpost.com/author/john-van-sloten/
https://www.johnvansloten.com/blog-1
The Day Metallica Came to Church: Seeing the Everywhere God in Everything (2010)
Every Job a Parable; What Walmart Greeters, Nurses and Astronauts tell us about God (2017)
God Speaks Science: What Neurons, Giant Squid, and Supernovae Reveal About Our Creator (2023)


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Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair talk with Phillip Ullmann about his insights into how our economic systems need to be reordered for the common good. Phillip shares his own personal journey as a business entrepreneur and how “the Bible has opened up to me in the last three years in a way that has blown my mind.”  Invited to riff on the “Leaving Egypt” theme, Phillip talks about Egypt by starting with Joseph in the closing chapters of Genesis, recognising parallels to our contemporary unravelling.  He continues into the book of Exodus, noting that in “the manna story” and other parts of the narrative, God is saying there is another way to structure our economic system to look after people and the planet.
Phillip Ullmann is a devout Orthodox Jew inspired by the Torah, and a leading social business entrepreneur with a track record of building disruptive business models. His deep knowledge of Scripture fuels his passion for economic reform to serve the interests of people, communities and the natural world. He is Chief Energiser of Cordant Group, the UK’s second largest recruitment and services firm. In 2017, he redefined Cordant as a social business, and in 2020, it was sold to Twenty20 Investors. He then set up Covenant Advisory, an independent consultancy helping businesses on their journey to social purpose. Phillip has an Engineering degree from Cambridge University, an MBA from Brunel and is a qualified Chartered Accountant. 
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For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3
For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
For Phillip Ullmann:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillipullmann/?originalSubdomain=uk
Website:
https://www.phillipullmann.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@phillipullmann/videos
LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/phillipullmann
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/p/pf-pj/phillip-ullmann/
https://www.pioneerspost.com/news-views/20170913/cordant-chief-why-my-800m-company-becoming-social-enterprise


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Al Roxburgh and Jenny Sinclair begin their conversation with Xenia Chan by talking about her experience of growing up in an “ethnoburb” of Toronto, Canada. Speaking both Cantonese and English, Xenia then reflects on the unravelling taking place across our societies from the perspective of a Chinese-Canadian doing doctoral studies in Jeremiah and Lamentations. Her PhD is addressing a kind of pastoral angst alongside Jeremiah as she explores the upheaval happening in the Canadian churches. Xenia talks about her experience as a pastor, her personal prayer life, and how she is trying to “restitch” her neighbourhood.
Xenia Chan is the daughter of diaspora settlers from Hong Kong. Having been raised in a Chinese Canadian Protestant church, she has also ministered in different, multi-ethnic contexts in five urban areas. A doctoral student at Wycliffe College, University of Toronto, she is studying the Old Testament. The church plant she is part of, Selah Community Church, brings her much joy and hope. Along with Shu, Bernard, and Jon, Xenia also co-hosts the Canadian Asian Missional Podcast (C.A.M.P.) and some of her writing can be found at her blog, The Space Between (see links below).
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For Alan J Roxburgh:
http://alanroxburgh.com/about
https://www.themissionalnetwork.com/author/alan-roxburgh/
https://journalofmissionalpractice.com/alan-roxburgh
Twitter: https://twitter.com/alanjroxburgh?lang=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.roxburgh.127/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecommonsnetwork
Joining God in the Great Unraveling https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-God-Great-Unraveling-Learned/dp/1725288508/ref=sr_1_
Leadership, God’s Agency and Disruptions https://www.amazon.ca/Leadership-Gods-Agency-Disruptions-Confronting/dp/1725271745/ref
Joining God, Remaking Church, Changing the World: The New Shape of the Church in Our Time https://www.amazon.ca/Joining-Remaking-Church-Changing-World/dp/0819232114/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2NHGW8KB7L0SQ&keywords=Alan+J+Roxburgh&qid=1687098960&s=books&sprefix=alan+j+roxburgh%2Cstripbooks%2C130&sr=1-3
For Jenny Sinclair:
Website: https://togetherforthecommongood.co.uk/from-jenny-sinclair
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenny-sinclair-0589783b/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/T4CG
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TogetherForTheCommonGoodUK
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t4cg_insta/
For Xenia Chan:
https://campodcast.podbean.com/
https://www.xeniachan.com/


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