Life After Ministry

Matt & Marilee Davis
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Many of us have experienced the sting of losing a job. But there’s something uniquely challenging about leaving a position in full-time vocational ministry. Whether you’re stepping down from a church or leaving a kingdom nonprofit, it’s not as simple as just changing jobs. Suddenly, everything changes. You’re left navigating not just a career transition, but also a profound shift in identity, community, and daily routines. It feels like stepping into an unknown, filled with questions like, ”What’s next? How do I redefine myself outside the ministry? How do I maintain my faith amidst this transition?” Welcome to the Life After Ministry Podcast. We’ve been there, navigating the complex journey from vocational ministry to a new chapter in our lives. We’ll explore stories of transformation, hear from those who’ve walked this path before, and provide practical strategies to turn your transition into transformation.

  1. 1d ago

    Healthy Pastors Plan Healthy Exits (featuring Keith Spurgin)

    Founder transitions are some of the most difficult moments in ministry leadership, but they don't have to end poorly. After leading the church he planted for 27 years, Keith Spurgin shares the lessons he learned about succession, feedback, sabbaticals, and letting go with confidence.  He also reflects on the leadership mistakes he nearly made during COVID and how stepping away for a year ultimately prepared both him and his church for a healthy transition. Key Takeaways Healthy succession planning begins years before the transition. Founder transitions often succeed when leadership is shared rather than concentrated in one successor. Sabbaticals create space for leaders to rediscover who they are apart from their role. Feedback reveals blind spots that leaders cannot see on their own. Legacy is built by preparing others to succeed after you're gone. Chapter Markers 00:00 Introduction and Keith's ministry journey 00:45 Nearly derailing a succession plan during COVID 01:45 Why handing leadership to a team changed everything 06:45 Building trust before succession 07:45 Why Keith stayed away for six months after stepping down 09:00 Lessons from an unexpected year-long sabbatical 15:20 Why every leader needs honest feedback 18:15 Processing life after ministry 24:00 The Growth Resourcing Group 26:00 Unknown: Finding Connection in a Disconnected World 27:30 Why Keith's next book is about finishing well Preparing for a leadership transition? Start a conversation with a specialist at Ministry Transitions. Learn more about Keith's leadership resources at Keith Spurgin.

    33 min

  2. Jun 23

    Finding Ministry at Home Depot (featuring Steve Cummings)

    Many leaders secretly believe their value comes from what they do. But what happens when the title disappears, the ministry ends, or life takes a turn you never expected? In this deeply personal conversation, Steve Cummings shares his journey through ministry leadership, addiction recovery, job loss, financial uncertainty, and ultimately discovering a deeper identity as a beloved son of God.  From sitting in rehab at age 55 to working at Home Depot and eventually launching Bringing Kingdom, Steve offers hope for anyone learning to trust God in a season they never planned for. Key Takeaways Your identity is not determined by your title, income, or position. Hidden struggles become more dangerous when they remain isolated. Recovery begins when honesty replaces shame. God often uses seasons of transition to reveal deeper truths about who we are. Ministry is not confined to a church building or nonprofit organization. Chapter Markers 00:00 Friendship, ministry history, and Steve's background 01:30 Seminary, missed opportunities, and unexpected career turns 03:45 Building a career in nonprofit ministry 06:00 Hidden struggles, addiction, and personal collapse 08:00 Rehab, recovery, and discovering the deeper issues 11:00 Losing a ministry position and starting over 12:30 Working at Home Depot and confronting identity 16:00 Launching Bringing Kingdom 21:30 The Father Eclipse and understanding father wounds 28:00 Helping men discover their identity 31:30 Financial uncertainty, faith, and trusting God's provision 40:30 Is there life after ministry? If you're navigating a leadership transition or difficult season, start a conversation with a specialist at Ministry Transitions. Learn more about Steve's ministry at Bringing Kingdom.

    46 min

  3. Jun 16

    Hope Is Within Reach (featuring Gary Blackard)

    Most leaders know succession planning matters. Far fewer know how to start the conversation. In this episode, Gary Blackard, President and CEO of Adult & Teen Challenge USA, shares lessons from leading a national ministry, navigating leadership transitions, and helping people find hope in the midst of life's most difficult challenges. From succession planning and organizational stewardship to addiction recovery and spiritual formation, Gary offers practical wisdom for leaders who want their influence to outlast their tenure. Key Takeaways Succession planning is an act of stewardship, not a signal that leadership is ending. Leaders often avoid succession conversations because of fear, identity, or lack of self-awareness. Hope is a critical ingredient in personal transformation and lasting change. Healthy leadership begins with a strong private relationship with God. Legacy is protected when leaders intentionally prepare others to carry the mission forward. Chapter Markers 00:00 Introduction and Gary's leadership journey 01:30 Transitioning into Adult & Teen Challenge leadership 04:20 The history and mission of Adult & Teen Challenge 09:40 Ministry leaders, addiction, and the importance of the private altar 12:00 Spiritual disciplines that sustain healthy leadership 15:20 Why hope matters during seasons of change 18:30 Facing the succession elephant 21:30 Why leaders avoid succession planning 27:00 Building a lasting leadership legacy 33:40 The Hope Within Reach podcast and helping families navigate addiction 37:00 Final thoughts and encouragement Navigating a leadership transition or preparing for succession? Start a conversation with a specialist at Ministry Transitions. Listen to Hope Within Reach and learn more about Adult & Teen Challenge at Adult & Teen Challenge USA

    41 min

  4. Jun 9

    No Elevator to Everest (featuring Will Acuff)

    Success in ministry can hide struggles that few people ever see.  While Will Acuff was helping build a nonprofit that would eventually launch thousands of entrepreneurs and transform communities, his family was walking through years of exhaustion, medical challenges, and uncertainty.  The contrast forced him to confront a difficult question: what happens when the strategies that helped you succeed no longer work? In this conversation, Will shares the lessons he learned through leadership succession, personal suffering, and the unexpected journey that led him to write No Elevator to Everest.  For leaders facing transition, burnout, or uncertainty, this episode offers a hopeful vision for finding joy that is not dependent on circumstances. Key Takeaways Succession works best when leadership development starts long before the transition. Healthy transitions require trust, coaching, and ongoing support after the handoff. High-capacity leaders often struggle to acknowledge their own pain and limitations. Joy is cultivated through intentional practices, not favorable circumstances. Faithful leadership requires both knowledge of God and honest knowledge of ourselves. Chapter Markers 00:00 Welcome and Will's ministry background 03:45 Launching Corner to Corner and helping entrepreneurs escape poverty 07:50 Why the Church should lead community transformation 11:10 Succession planning and transitioning leadership as a founder 19:55 Parenting through complex disabilities and chronic hardship 24:00 Creating a "joy lab" in the middle of suffering 29:00 The story behind No Elevator to Everest 31:00 Advice for burned-out ministry leaders 35:00 Finding joy in the middle of hard 35:40 Resources, book, and final encouragement If you're navigating a ministry transition or leadership challenge, start a conversation with a specialist at Ministry Transitions. Learn more about Will's work at Corner to Corner and his book at No Elevator to Everest.

    40 min

  5. Jun 2

    A Wealth of Ministry Outside of Ministry (featuring Shawn Gwaltney)

    Leaving ministry is rarely a simple decision.  For many pastors, it comes after years of carrying responsibility, managing expectations, and trying to care for everyone around them while quietly neglecting themselves and their families.  In this episode, Shawn Gwaltney shares the story of how ministry slowly became unsustainable, what pushed him toward transition, and how he eventually rediscovered purpose through business, mentorship, and helping others find clarity.  This conversation offers hope for leaders wrestling with burnout, identity loss, and the fear of what comes next after ministry. Key Takeaways Ministry burnout often grows slowly through constant emotional pressure and unclear boundaries Many pastors already possess leadership and relational skills that transfer well into the marketplace Identity can become deeply tied to the title of “pastor,” making transition emotionally difficult Healthy leadership in business still requires empathy, discipleship, and genuine care for people Clarity is often the first step toward healing and rebuilding after ministry transition Chapter Markers 00:00 – Shawn’s return to church and entry into ministry 03:20 – The pressures that pushed ministry toward burnout 07:20 – Choosing family over vocational ministry 10:20 – Systems pastors wish they had built sooner 11:20 – Transferable leadership skills pastors already have 16:00 – Wrestling with identity after leaving ministry 18:30 – Faith, wealth, and business ownership 23:00 – Helping pastors find clarity after transition 26:00 – Meaning, purpose, and life after success 28:20 – Shawn’s mission to help others grow If you’re navigating a ministry transition, start a conversation with the team at Ministry Transitions. And to connect with Shawn Gwaltney and learn more about his mentorship and business resources, visit Shawn Gwaltney.

    33 min

  6. May 26

    Mending the Fracturing Church (featuring Dr. Andrew Hale)

    The Church is carrying more tension than many leaders know how to navigate. Political polarization, fractured trust, rising anxiety, and unrealistic expectations on pastors are reshaping congregations across the country.  In this conversation, Dr. Andrew Hale shares why he believes the Church is not collapsing but entering a moment of reformation.  Together, we explore how ministry leaders can stop treating non-essential issues as ultimate ones, rebuild authentic community, and lead congregations toward healthier relationships rooted in Christ instead of cultural division. Key Takeaways Conflict in the Church is not new, but today’s divisions are being amplified by politics and cultural anxiety. Many churches have elevated non-essential issues above the central mission of Jesus. Ministry leaders are carrying unrealistic expectations while trust in institutions continues to decline. Healthy churches create space for diverse perspectives and authentic relationships. This cultural moment may be less about the collapse of the Church and more about a needed reformation. Chapter Markers 00:00 — Andrew Hale’s ministry background and love for the Church 03:00 — Why churches are becoming more divided 07:42 — Organizational psychology and understanding conflict 09:16 — Essential vs. non-essential issues in the Church 16:18 — Declining trust in institutions and ministry burnout 19:12 — Have we placed too much pressure on pastors? 23:19 — Why this moment may be reformation, not collapse 27:24 — Political idolatry and the future of the Church 30:57 — Where to find Dr. Andrew Hale and his book If this conversation resonated with you, we’d encourage you to take the next step. Whether you’re navigating conflict, leadership transition, succession planning, or simply trying to lead your church through a complicated season with wisdom and clarity, the team at Ministry Transitions is here to help.  You can also learn more from Dr. Andrew Hale’s work on church health, division, and renewal at AndrewRHale.com and explore his book Mending the Fracturing Church wherever books are sold.

    34 min

  7. May 19

    The Imperfect CEO (featuring Jim Brown)

    Leadership transitions often expose something many leaders spend years trying to hide: the fear that they are not enough for the role they carry.  Whether it is a pastor navigating succession, a nonprofit executive facing organizational change, or a CEO realizing old leadership methods no longer work, the pressure to appear confident and certain can quietly isolate leaders from the people they serve.  In this conversation, Jim Brown shares why healthy leadership begins when leaders stop trying to be the hero of the organization and start building collaborative cultures where people feel valued, empowered, and trusted. Together, we explore the emotional realities underneath leadership transitions, difficult staffing decisions, and organizational change.  They discuss why so many leaders stay too long, how fear often disguises itself as faithfulness, and why humility and vulnerability are becoming essential leadership qualities in today’s world.  The conversation offers practical wisdom for ministry leaders who want to navigate transition seasons with greater clarity, courage, and care. Key Takeaways Healthy leadership creates space for others to contribute instead of positioning the leader as the hero. Vulnerability from leaders gives teams permission to be honest, collaborative, and engaged. Most organizational problems are people and culture problems before they become strategy problems. Transition conversations are rarely perfect, but avoiding them often causes greater harm. Fear keeps many leaders in roles long after their season has changed. Chapter Markers 00:00 Welcome and introducing Jim Brown 01:40 Why leadership perfection is impossible 04:00 How leadership expectations have changed 06:50 Why today’s leaders need humility and flexibility 08:30 Building collaborative cultures that empower people 12:30 Vulnerability, mistakes, and healthier leadership 13:40 The framework behind The Imperfect CEO 19:30 Helping leaders overcome imposter syndrome 20:50 Why transitions are never perfectly executed 24:00 Difficult staffing conversations and leadership courage 26:40 Why some ministry leaders stay too long 28:00 Resources for churches and healthy leadership Resources & Links Start a conversation with the Ministry Transitions team: https://ministrytransitions.com Explore free leadership transition resources: https://ministrytransitions.com/resources The Imperfect CEO – Jim Brown’s upcoming book releasing May 19: Order your copy immediately at https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/1637749023 For the best deals, order bulk at https://imperfectceobook.com/ Connect with Jim Brown: LinkedIn: @authorjimbrown Instagram: @orghealthteam Facebook: OrgHealth

    31 min

  8. May 12

    How to Hand Off a Church Without Losing It (featuring Wayne Hoag)

    Church transitions often expose what has been neglected for years.  In this conversation, longtime pastor Wayne Hoag reflects on the painful lessons he learned after leaving one church unprepared for his departure and how that experience shaped a completely different approach to succession later in ministry.  Together, we explore what healthy pastoral transitions require: humility, long-term preparation, deep love for the church, and the willingness to release control before crisis forces the issue. The conversation also digs into the spiritual side of leadership transition. Wayne shares how unity and love inside the body of Christ become especially important during seasons of change and why churches that avoid difficult conversations often create deeper wounds later. Key Takeaways Healthy pastoral succession starts years before the actual transition. Churches often avoid transition conversations until crisis forces them. A pastor must gradually release responsibility if the next leader is going to succeed. Unity in the church is built around Christ, not personalities or preferences. Ministry purpose does not end when a pastor steps away from the pulpit. Chapter Markers 00:00 - Wayne’s painful lesson from leaving a church unprepared  03:34 - Building a long-term succession plan  05:45 - Identifying and mentoring the next pastor  07:53 - The temptation to hold onto control  09:52 - How the church stayed unified during transition  15:13 - The heart behind The One Another Project  17:43 - Why churches struggle with unity and love  19:49 - Why pastoral transitions create vulnerability  23:48 - What healthy transitions require from leaders  25:33 - Discovering purpose after pastoral ministry  30:36 - Why churches cannot afford to ignore succession planning Start a conversation with the team at Ministry Transitions to learn more about healthy pastoral succession, church leadership transition planning, and life after ministry at ministrytransitions.com.  You can also connect with Wayne Hoag and explore The One Another Project, his book, blog, and ministry resources at oneanotheronline.org.  Whether you are preparing proactively for a transition or navigating one right now, both ministries exist to help churches pursue healthy leadership handoffs rooted in unity, wisdom, and care for the body of Christ.

    34 min
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Many of us have experienced the sting of losing a job. But there’s something uniquely challenging about leaving a position in full-time vocational ministry. Whether you’re stepping down from a church or leaving a kingdom nonprofit, it’s not as simple as just changing jobs. Suddenly, everything changes. You’re left navigating not just a career transition, but also a profound shift in identity, community, and daily routines. It feels like stepping into an unknown, filled with questions like, ”What’s next? How do I redefine myself outside the ministry? How do I maintain my faith amidst this transition?” Welcome to the Life After Ministry Podcast. We’ve been there, navigating the complex journey from vocational ministry to a new chapter in our lives. We’ll explore stories of transformation, hear from those who’ve walked this path before, and provide practical strategies to turn your transition into transformation.

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  • Creator
    Matt & Marilee Davis
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    94
  • Rating
    Clean
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    Life After Ministry

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