Cancer and Comedy: Helping Cancer Impacted People to Cope with Hope and Humor

Dr. Brad Miller

The Cancer and Comedy Podcast is for Cancer Impacted People Who are Not Done Living and Are Passionate About Facing the Grim with a Grin. My name is Dr. Brad Miller and The Cancer and Comedy Podcast became my Passion Project At Christmas time 2022 when I was diagnosed with prostate cancer just after retiring from a 43 year career as a pastor. My response was to laugh to keep from crying. I decided after a Christmas visit with my pre-school granddaughters that God wasn't done with me yet and I was going to fully live my life in such a way as to see those granddaughters grow up. I decided to combine my experience as a pastor with my Doctoral Degree in Transformational Leadership with my love of comedy to create the Cancer and Comedy Podcast as place for Cancer Impacted People to Cope with Hope and Humor. I like to say the Cancer and Comedy Podcast is a Place to Turn the Grim into a Grin. Along with my co-host Deb Krier from TryingNotToDie.Live, who is a cancer warrior in her own right, we are dedicated to produce a weekly podcast which brings education, inspiration and entertainment to our audience with practical stories, interviews, funny stories and bad jokes which are designed to help cancer impacted people cope with hope. We will also have faith-based segments in the episodes. Moreover, we love to feature uplifting stories of how people kicked cancer in the butt and won at life. So if you are a cancer impacted person please join me right here on the Cancer and Comedy Podcast where we are all set to lift you up. Dr. Brad Miller, January 2025

  1. Jul 24

    Encore: From the Front Lines to the Punch Lines How Robin Phoenix Johnson Heals Through Humor

    In this episode of Cancer and Comedy, Dr. Brad Miller sits down with Robin Phoenix Johnson, a retired Army lieutenant colonel turned stand-up comedian and certified humor professional. Robin shares her powerful journey from military leadership to therapeutic humor, driven by personal experiences with caregiving and loss. Together, they explore the science and soul behind therapeutic humor—how laughter can provide mental, emotional, and even physical relief during times of adversity. Robin discusses her roots in military culture, where humor often served as a necessary coping tool amid chaos and combat, and how that shaped her current work helping others—especially veterans—reframe their pain through comedy. Robin introduces the H.E.A.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. process, a humor-for-health initiative she developed to apply cognitive behavioral therapy techniques through laughter and joke writing. From working with veterans dealing with PTSD to caregivers and healthcare professionals facing burnout, she demonstrates how humor can disrupt negative thought patterns, build empathy, and create connection. She also delves into the academic and clinical aspects of her work, sharing how she has collaborated with institutions such as Stanford’s Hoover Institution and the United States Military Academy at West Point to deepen research into the effects of laughter on the brain and emotional resilience. In the episode, Robin explains the difference between humor used as a weapon and humor as a healing agent, encourages business leaders to embrace humor as a leadership and creative tool, and offers personal stories—including one where laughter helped a veteran who had attempted suicide—to highlight the power of humor to heal. They conclude with a reflection on Desmond Tutu’s quote about upstream prevention, emphasizing the role of humor not just in responding to pain, but also in preventing it. Robin also shares how the name "Phoenix" symbolizes her post-military rebirth into a purpose-driven life of joy, service, and storytelling. Robin Phoenix Johnson’s Links: Website: https://robinphoenixjohnson.com/ H.E.A.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. Initiative: https://healarius.org/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinphoenixjohnson/ Humor Camp Info: [Hosted at the National Comedy Center, October 9–11 in Jamestown, NY] Brad Miller’s Links: Website: https://cancerandcomedy.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfP2JvmMDeBzbj3mziVGJUw LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertbradleymiller/

    Encore: From the Front Lines to the Punch Lines How Robin Phoenix Johnson Heals Through Humor
  2. Jul 17

    Encore: Recovery Activist: Love, Gratitude, and Lessons from Cancer with Dr. Achim Zinggrebe. Author of "Rise and Thrive Above Cancer

    Dr. Achim Zinggrebe is a medical doctor, author, and coach who helps people navigate the cancer journey by integrating mind, body, spirit, and energy into healing. His work empowers patients not only to endure treatment but to reclaim their identity, strength, and joy through gratitude, breathwork, mindset shifts, and spiritual practices. In this episode, Dr. Achim shares how his own cancer diagnosis became a turning point. For years, he ignored his health while focusing on others—family, career, and patients—until the disease forced him to face his own neglect. He describes the moment of chaos between diagnosis and treatment, where fear, regret, and “doctor Google” threatened to spiral him into despair. Yet, he chose a different path—transforming fear into resilience through simple, powerful steps like conscious breathing and gratitude. He explains how cancer, though a bitter diagnosis, ultimately became a gift that reconnected him to his true self, renewed his relationships, and deepened his spiritual outlook. From working with his own father through illness to coaching others, Dr. Achim shows that healing is never just about the body, but about love, energy, and living aligned with one’s values. His book, Rise and Thrive Above Cancer: Your Path to Finding Courage, Confidence, and Healing Power, along with its companion journal, provides practical tools and reflective exercises to help readers shift from fear to possibility. His coaching work extends these tools, guiding patients to rediscover their strength and reclaim the driver’s seat in their lives. Dr. Achim Zinggrebe’s story is a testament of resilience, courage, and faith—showing that even in adversity, one can find sweetness, energy, and a renewed purpose. Episode 102 of Cancer and Comedy is a must-listen for anyone facing cancer, illness, or personal crisis who seeks inspiration, hope, and a practical framework to rise above and live fully. Website: azinggrebemd.com Book: Rise and Thrive Above Cancer LinkedIn: Achim Zinggrebe

  3. Jul 10

    Ballparks and Borrowed Time: A Story About Living Fully with Your Friends and Dying Well After a Terminal Cancer Diagnosis

    How to “die well together” by investing your remaining time in relationships, joy, and shared experiences—especially in the face of cancer. Key Story – Bill and the Ballparks Bill was a retired pastor and Brad’s former supervising pastor.In his late 50s/early 60s, Bill was diagnosed with advanced liver cancer.Doctors made it clear he was unlikely to beat the disease.Instead of isolating himself, Bill:Reached out to his three closest lifelong friends (seminary buddies and fellow pastors).Spent about two years traveling with them to major league baseball parks around the U.S.They were big Cincinnati Reds fans but visited multiple cities (Chicago, Atlanta, New York, etc.).They turned “borrowed time” into intentional, joy-filled time together.Bill typically paid for all four friends on these trips:He saw it as an investment in people and memories, not just an expense.Their wives sometimes connected as well, but most trips were the four guys on “ballpark weekends.” Impact and Legacy Bill eventually passed away roughly in line with his own prognosis (~2 years).When his three friends remember him today, they don’t focus on his suffering:They talk about the ballgames, trips, dinners, and laughter.Their primary memories are joyful, not medical.The story illustrates that:Terminal illness doesn’t have to define your final chapters.Your impact and legacy can be built around connection, generosity, and joy. Links: Cancer & Comedy main follow page:https://cancerandcomedy.com/followFree HHH (Healing Through Hope and Humor) course:Spoken as: cancerandcomedy.com/free

    Ballparks and Borrowed Time: A Story About Living Fully with Your Friends and Dying Well After a Terminal Cancer Diagnosis
  4. Jul 3

    Two-Time Survivor: Cheyenne Heflin on Losing a Leg, a Lung, and Never Losing Humor.

    On this episode of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast, Dr. Brad Miller and Cheyenne Heflin open up about a topic that rarely makes it into the discharge summary—but lives in the classroom, the family room, and the therapist’s chair: What happens to your identity, your mental health, and your sense of “who I am” when cancer takes your leg at 13…and then comes back for your lung just as you’re about to become a counselor? Speaking from her own story—first as a middle‑schooler with osteosarcoma and an above‑knee amputation, then as a grad student blindsided by a lung recurrence—Cheyenne has a candid, funny, and deeply compassionate conversation with Brad about living in a changed body, using humor as both lifeline and mask, and learning to become more than “the cancer kid.” In this honest, tender, and laugh‑out‑loud real conversation, Brad and Cheyenne share: Going from knee pain to a childhood bone cancer diagnosis and chemo in a matter of weeks Losing her leg above the knee and starting high school bald, disabled, and in a new city where she knew no one Leaning hard into humor—cracking jokes about her missing leg so other people wouldn’t feel awkward Using her prosthetic leg as a prop: hiding by the choir room door and swinging it at classmates (and her choir teacher) to “guard” the room Becoming “the funny one” in choir and activities, melting tension when rehearsal stress was sky‑high Realizing in college and during COVID that humor wasn’t just coping—it was hiding the depth of her pain Losing a close friend who saw through the jokes, insisted “you are not fine,” and stepped away when Cheyenne refused to face what she was feeling Hitting a breaking point in COVID—moving back home, clashing with her sisters, explosive arguments with her dad, and finally snapping under the weight of it all Sitting on the porch while her dad, scared for her, says, “We need to get you real help,” and pushing her to consider antidepressants Wrestling with fear that taking meds meant she’d end up like her mom, who also struggled with mental illness—and then discovering medication actually made therapy skills usable Letting go of med‑school dreams, admitting she struggled with heavy science, and pivoting toward psychology and counseling Getting all the way to her counseling internship in a pediatric practice—only to have a persistent cough lead to scans that read “highly suspicious for recurrent cancer” Facing a massive lung tumor, chemo that didn’t shrink it, and a total removal of her right lung—and what day‑to‑day life is really like with only one lung They also talk about: Choosing to show up to chemo in ridiculous hats—frogs, buckets, propellers—and inviting family, friends, and coworkers to join the bit so they could bring light instead of pity How her internship coworkers even sent a funny hat in a care package, giving them a way to participate in her healing The huge mental‑health gap in pediatric cancer care: being checked only to see if she was suicidal, then left to navigate school, disability, and trauma mostly on her own Why she’s determined to close that gap as a therapist and speaker, using her story to advocate for psychosocial care alongside medical treatment Working with a young patient diagnosed with OCD, using exposure therapy grounded in trust and warmth, and watching that child’s symptoms disappear The powerful moment when that family told her how much better life was—and Cheyenne finally believed, “I really can help people.” This episode isn’t a how‑to manual for “perfect resilience after cancer.” It’s a real‑world guide to: Talking about the hard stuff instead of hiding behind “I’m fine” and a joke Using humor as a tool for light, not a mask that keeps you from feeling Redefining yourself when your body has been cut, stitched, rearranged—and labeled “survivor” before you’re ready If cancer has changed your body, your plans, or the way you see yourself in the mirror, this conversation will help you: Feel less alone in the awkward, unspoken mix of laughter, grief, and growth Start the conversations you’ve been avoiding—about mental health, medication, and who you are beyond your diagnosis Find hope, humor, and new ways to see yourself as more than what happened to you in a “new normal” you never chose Together, we can keep turning the grim realities of cancer into the grin of a life still full of purpose, connection, and laughter that tells the truth.

    Two-Time Survivor: Cheyenne Heflin on Losing a Leg, a Lung, and Never Losing Humor.
  5. Jun 25

    What Ann Wilson of Heart Teaches Cancer Survivors About Healing, Authenticity, and Finding Your Voice

    On this episode of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast, Dr. Brad Miller and Deb Krier use the story of rock legend Ann Wilson of Heart—and her new documentary “Ann Wilson: In My Voice”—to explore what it really means to find your voice after cancer changes everything. From Brad’s days as a 1970s radio DJ spinning “Magic Man” and “Barracuda,” to Deb’s own journey as a professional vocalist who lost her singing voice after thyroid surgery, this is a conversation about music, identity, illness, and the courage to be seen as you really are. With honesty, humor, and lived experience as survivors, Brad and Deb dive into: The moment in 2024 when Ann’s cancer diagnosis forced her to hit pause on her career That first shock of hearing “you have cancer”—the “insane period” where nothing makes sense How Ann used music as a lifeline, not just a job, to pull her forward through treatment Her “wig moment”: choosing to perform without a wig, even in a wheelchair if needed—no more “performing wellness” Deb’s parallel choice to ditch her wig, rock hats and beanies, and show up bald and unapologetic Why you are not your cancer—and how Ann insists on being seen as a full human, not just a diagnosis or an icon Sisterhood and long-term relationships: how Ann’s decades‑long bond (and battles) with her sister Nancy mirror the way families fight, fracture, and come together when cancer hits Redefining success after illness: from sold‑out tours to small victories like getting out of bed, making a show seated, or simply getting through the day This episode isn’t a Behind the Music recap. It’s a real‑life playbook for anyone facing cancer, chronic illness, or any life‑event that blows up your old identity: See how even a rock superstar had to stop pretending to be fine and embrace radical authenticity. Learn why having something that pulls you forward—music, work, art, grandkids, hobbies—can change how you heal. Discover how to take back control of your story: hair, body, pace, appearance, and all. Get language for claiming, “Cancer is part of me, but it’s not all of me”—and mean it. You’ll walk away with hope, humor, and a fresh vision for what it looks like to live fully, show up honestly, and keep singing—in whatever voice you have now—all the way through your own healing journey.

    What Ann Wilson of Heart Teaches Cancer Survivors About Healing, Authenticity, and Finding Your Voice
  6. Jun 19

    Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova: Rivalry, Friendship, and Facing Cancer Together

    On this episode of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast, Dr. Brad Miller and Deb Krier use the upcoming Netflix documentary on tennis legends Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova to explore what really happens when lifelong rivalries, deep friendships, and life‑threatening cancer collide. From nostalgic memories of 1970s and 80s women’s tennis, where Chrissy and Martina dominated headlines and opened the door for women athletes, to the moment when both of them were diagnosed with serious cancers and had to face their own mortality, Brad and Deb unpack how adversity reshapes identity, control, competition, and connection. In this candid, hopeful, and often laugh‑through‑the‑pain conversation, Brad and Deb dive into: Growing up with icons: How watching Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova as teens helped a whole generation finally pay attention to women athletes and see women’s sports as “must‑watch.” Media‑made rivals, real‑life friends: Why the supposed “animosity” between Evert and Navratilova was largely manufactured by the media, and what their actual friendship looked like behind the headlines. Cancer as the great equalizer: How ovarian cancer (Evert) and breast cancer (Navratilova) reminded them—and us—that cancer doesn’t check your trophy case or care if you’re number one in the world. Long‑term relationships under pressure: The way cancer reveals and reshapes relationships: old friends who disappear, others who unexpectedly return, and the surprising strength of childhood and teen bonds. Control freaks and surrender. What happens when elite athletes and high achievers who schedule every minute of their lives suddenly cannot control their own bodies, and why Deb pushes back on the word “surrender.” From rivalry to “cancer twin” support: How Evert and Navratilova’s decades‑long competitive mindset evolved into mutual support, “cancer sisters,” and a shared determination to battle a new common foe. Gamifying the grind of treatment: Martina’s approach of “keeping score” through 36 chemo treatments, turning a terrifying unknown into incremental wins and small, daily victories. Bodies that feel like they’ve betrayed you. The heartbreak and humility of realizing the body that once powered Grand Slam titles, big careers, or public personas now needs porta potties, pads, meds, and help—and talking about it anyway. Redefining what it means to win: How both tennis legends—and Brad and Deb themselves—have reprioritized life after cancer, shifting from trophies and career milestones to friendship, presence, purpose, and joy. This episode isn’t a nostalgic sports recap or a polished TED Talk about “staying positive.” It’s a real‑world roadmap for: Seeing your heroes—and yourself—as human helps you understand that even the most decorated champions must face loss of control, fear, and vulnerability, just like the rest of us. Reframing rivalry and competition: Learn how a competitive streak can shift from “beat the opponent” to “beat the cancer”—and how that mindset can fuel resilience in your own journey. Navigating friendships through a diagnosis: Get language and perspective for when old friends drift back, others disappear, and you’re not sure how to interpret it—or what to expect. Finding small wins in scary seasons: Discover practical ideas for gamifying treatment, celebrating tiny steps, and reclaiming a sense of agency when almost everything feels out of your hands. Redefining your version of victory. Walk away with a gentler, deeper picture of “winning”: less about achievements, more about connection, meaning, and living fully—however much time you have. Together, we can keep turning the grim reality of cancer and changing relationships into the grin of a life reset with clarity, compassion, and a dash of comedy.

    Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova: Rivalry, Friendship, and Facing Cancer Together
  7. Jun 12

    Finding Light in the Shadows: Rock Bands and Resilience Through Cancer with Author John W. Pattison

    On this episode of the Cancer and Comedy Podcast, Dr. Brad Miller sits down with author, retired senior cancer nurse, and lifelong “rock-and-roll kid” John W. Pattison to explore what it means to live a rich, meaningful life over 51 years of stage IV Hodgkin lymphoma, multiple relapses, and deep emotional and spiritual struggle. Diagnosed at 18 with a rare, advanced Hodgkin lymphoma in northeast England—and told more than once he wouldn’t survive—John has gone on to become a senior cancer nurse specialist, award‑winning memoirist, children’s author, and honorary member of the Lakota Sioux Nation. In this conversation, he shares how cancer has undeniably shaped him, but never defined him. This episode walks through John’s remarkable story, including: A lifetime of cancer and relapse – Diagnosed with stage 4 Hodgkin lymphoma as a teenager, told his chances were slim, and has lived for decades with the physical and psychological impact. Music as medicine – Found escape and strength in the space‑rock band Hawkwind, eventually joining their road crew and performing “Ten Seconds of Forever,” his spoken‑word piece about hearing “you have cancer.” Storytelling and children’s books – Became the playful “elasticated grandpa,” turning wild adventure tales into children’s books that use humor and imagination as emotional chemotherapy. Lakota Sioux connection – Drew deep spiritual inspiration from the Lakota story, visited Wounded Knee, spent time on Pine Ridge Reservation, and was named an honorary member of the tribal council. Finding humor in hard places – Even in hospital, he could laugh—like the time he lost control of his wheelchair on a hill and crashed into his own car. When cancer hit his daughter – His adopted daughter Donna also faced a rare, life‑threatening cancer as a child, then went on to become a world‑class swimmer and double silver medalist for Team GB, transforming pain into strength. From John’s story, Brad and John draw out practical, heart‑level lessons for anyone impacted by cancer or serious illness (including caregivers and loved ones): Cancer can shape you without defining you Vulnerability can be a strength, not a weakness Everyone’s cancer journey is unique You need anchors of meaning and hope Humor and creativity are powerful medicine Legacy matters—even if you’re still here This episode isn’t just a tribute to John’s extraordinary resilience. It’s an invitation—for anyone walking through cancer, caring for someone who is, or facing any deep adversity—to: Let your hardship shape you without defining you Find your own sources of inspiration—music, story, culture, faith, or play Embrace vulnerability as a pathway to strength, not a sign of failure Hold on to humor, imagination, and connection, even in hospital corridors and treatment rooms If you or someone you love is facing cancer, John’s story will help you see that: Your life still has meaning, value, and possibility—even in long, complicated journeys. You don’t need to fit anyone else’s script for how to “fight” or “cope” with cancer. You really can, in John’s words, be shaped by cancer but never defined by it—and continue to live with hope, purpose, and even laughter, right through every chapter of the story windofchange@sky.com https://johnwpattison.co.uk/ https://x.com/walker_pat2712 https://www.instagram.com/patj0402/?hl=en https://www.facebook.com/john.w.pattison

    Finding Light in the Shadows: Rock Bands and Resilience Through Cancer with Author John W. Pattison
  8. Jun 5

    Encore: Making Comedy from Adversity: Mallori DeSalle’s Real Talk on Cancer, Family, and Fleas

    Mallori DeSalle is a licensed mental health counselor, certified humor professional, professor at Indiana University’s School of Public Health, and a trainer of motivational interviewing. She is also an Oreo connoisseur who has tasted more than 150 flavors from around the world — and a recent breast cancer patient who uses humor as her most powerful coping tool. In this episode, Mallori shares how she faced the fears, uncertainty, and emotional strain of her cancer diagnosis with authenticity, honesty, and laughter. She talks openly about going from a routine mammogram to a callback, to a biopsy, and then to the life-changing news of ductal carcinoma. Even through surgery, reconstruction decisions, and difficult conversations with doctors, Mallori found ways to stay grounded through human connection and humor — including joking with nurses, bonding with strangers in hospital gowns, and even turning awkward family moments into healing laughter. Mallori also dives into more profound adversity she was navigating during the same season, including the pain of a divorce and the challenge of being believed when dealing with something as simple — and stressful — as a flea infestation. Yet each experience reinforced her belief that humor is a lifeline, not a distraction. But in Mallori’s case, you could say: “Cancer messed with the wrong girl.” Because Mallori declares that humor is not just her coping mechanism — it is her strength, her identity, and her way of reclaiming control in moments that feel overwhelming. Mallori speaks with Dr. Brad and Deb about how her story shaped her work as a therapist, speaker, educator, and advocate, and how both her book-in-progress and her creative work (including her hilarious Oreo taste-test videos) grew out of her mission to help people navigate the most complex parts of life with more connection and compassion. Beyond her personal journey, Mallori shares wisdom from her counseling background about what humor does emotionally and neurologically, when it’s helpful, when it’s harmful, and how the right kind of laughter can soften fear, build trust, and transform the cancer experience. All of this led Mallori to embrace a life centered on empathy, authenticity, and purposeful humor — a life where adversity becomes a teacher, connection becomes medicine, and laughter becomes holy ground. Mallori DeSalle’s story is moving, vulnerable, and deeply human — a powerful testament of someone who confronted her diagnosis, her personal storms, and the people who doubted or dismissed her, and still emerged as a woman marked by courage, clarity, and joy. This episode of The Cancer and Comedy Podcast is a must-listen for anyone coping with illness, supporting a loved one through treatment, or seeking an uplifting, hope-filled story of resilience shaped by humor and heart. The Cancer and Comedy Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller and Deb Krier is published to inspire, encourage, and help people cope with hope, humor, and healing as they navigate life’s toughest challenges. Connect with Mallori DeSalle: Website: MalloriDeSalle.com Email: MalloriDeSalle@gmail.com LinkedIn: Mallori DeSalle Facebook: Mallori DeSalle

    Encore: Making Comedy from Adversity: Mallori DeSalle’s Real Talk on Cancer, Family, and Fleas

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The Cancer and Comedy Podcast is for Cancer Impacted People Who are Not Done Living and Are Passionate About Facing the Grim with a Grin. My name is Dr. Brad Miller and The Cancer and Comedy Podcast became my Passion Project At Christmas time 2022 when I was diagnosed with prostate cancer just after retiring from a 43 year career as a pastor. My response was to laugh to keep from crying. I decided after a Christmas visit with my pre-school granddaughters that God wasn't done with me yet and I was going to fully live my life in such a way as to see those granddaughters grow up. I decided to combine my experience as a pastor with my Doctoral Degree in Transformational Leadership with my love of comedy to create the Cancer and Comedy Podcast as place for Cancer Impacted People to Cope with Hope and Humor. I like to say the Cancer and Comedy Podcast is a Place to Turn the Grim into a Grin. Along with my co-host Deb Krier from TryingNotToDie.Live, who is a cancer warrior in her own right, we are dedicated to produce a weekly podcast which brings education, inspiration and entertainment to our audience with practical stories, interviews, funny stories and bad jokes which are designed to help cancer impacted people cope with hope. We will also have faith-based segments in the episodes. Moreover, we love to feature uplifting stories of how people kicked cancer in the butt and won at life. So if you are a cancer impacted person please join me right here on the Cancer and Comedy Podcast where we are all set to lift you up. Dr. Brad Miller, January 2025