Disorder

Jason Pack
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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  1. Nov 4 · Subscriber Early Access

    MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Rewriting the US Constitution — Our Fantasy Constitutional Convention

    Thank you, Mega Orderers, for making these deeper conversations possible. Jason and Beau Breslin imagine themselves as delegates at a new American constitutional convention — and set about fixing the system, one structural problem at a time. Should California have five senators while Wyoming has one? Could independent commissions end partisan gerrymandering? How long should judges and members of Congress serve? And could an American version of the British Tory Party’s 1922 Committee finally give a president’s own party a mechanism to remove an out-of-control leader? They debate a ban on lobbying, taxpayer-funded campaigns, Citizens United, and whether elections in Maine and Nebraska offer a better model for how the Electoral College might work. They also deal with a possible elephant in the room: The trouble with rewriting the Constitution, of course, is that the billionaires might show up before the delegates do. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Constitutional reform must make representation fairer, executive power more accountable and political money less decisive — while making the reforms themselves possible to enact. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these conversations possible. Send your questions to disordershow@gmail.com. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living: Imagining How Five Generations of Americans Would Rewrite the Nation’s Fundamental Law https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Constitution_for_the_Living.html?id=vxgfEAAAQBAJ Listening to America — Is a Constitutional Convention Even Possible? With Beau Breslin https://www.tapesearch.com/episode/1694-is-a-constitutional-convention-even-possible/Y6kNrtbz3uuUCaEC4TRo7w Listening to America — America at 250 with Beau Breslin https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/america-at-250-with-beau-breslin/id206783908?i=1000663744307 National Archives — Constitutional Amendment Process and Article V https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution National Archives — Article V, including equal suffrage of states in the Senate https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html Brennan Center — Redistricting reform and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Brennan Center — Citizens United and the campaign-finance debate https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united

  2. Nov 3 · Subscriber Early Access

    Ep 217. Is the US Constitution Causing America’s Disorder? The Midterms, Trump and the Case for Reform

    In honour of the 2026 midterms, Jason is joined by Beau Breslin, Skidmore College political scientist and author of ‘A Constitution for the Living’, to ask a rather awkward question: what if America’s political dysfunction isn’t just about Trump, polarization or bad politicians — but the unintended consequences of the Constitution itself? From Jefferson’s argument for rewriting the Constitution every generation to Madison’s preference for continuity, they explore how the constitutional compromises around the following issues--the Senate, the Electoral College, gerrymandering, and presidential war powers--laid the door open to our current dysfunction. Given that the constitution is not really functioning anymore we ask: Can Congress reclaim its power of the purse? Has Citizens United helped turn democracy into plutocracy? And why are politicians so reluctant to make the case for structural reform? They also consider what a new Congress might actually change — before Beau offers a surprisingly practical prescription for Ordering the American disorder: bring back the bowling league. It may be easier than impeaching a president. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Rebuilding American democracy requires enforceable checks, fairer elections and institutions that reconnect citizens — not simply changing the politicians at the top. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Jason and Beau convene their own imaginary constitutional convention. One to five senators per state based on population! Term limits, independent redistricting, a parliamentary-style way to remove presidents, public campaign funding and a redesigned Electoral College!! Join at https://disordershow.com/club to hear what they would rewrite and how. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living (Skidmore College overview) https://www.skidmore.edu/news/2022/0106-breslin-book.php Listening to America — Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a New Constitution for the United States, with Beau Breslin and Prairie Gunnels https://jeffersonhour.libsyn.com/1661-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-a-new-constitution-for-the-united-states Listening to America — The Iran War and the U.S. Constitution, with Beau Breslin https://ltamerica.org/listen-2/ Disorder Ep 172 — Graham Zellick on Britain’s unwritten constitution and legal accountability https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/ep-172-looking-beyond-the-headlines-of-the-iran/id1706818264?i=1000753646258&l=en-GB Disorder — Elie Honig on accountability and the Special Prosecutor system (linked in Ep 172 shownotes) https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/NmU0ZGIzZTQtYjhhMS0xMWYwLTk0NWQtZWZlN2MwMWI1YWJm National Archives — The US Constitution, full text https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript Brennan Center — Citizens United and money in politics https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united Brennan Center — Redistricting and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Robert D. Putnam — Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community https://robertdputnam.com/bowling-alone/

  3. 2d ago ·  Bonus · Subscribers Only

    MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel’s Election: Netanyahu, Eisenkot, and Coalition Chaos

    With Israel heading to the polls on 27 October, Jason and Jane go deep on the electoral arithmetic and the political stakes. Can Gadi Eisenkot assemble a coalition? Would Naftali Bennett or Avigdor Lieberman cooperate with the Arab parties or religious factions? And what happens when the president asks a succession of leaders to form a government and nobody can get to 61 seats? They explore the divide over ultra-Orthodox military service, Netanyahu’s legal cases, Trump’s intervention in Israeli politics, and the consequences of political deadlock for Iran, Gaza and relations with Syria. Plus: what Israeli political cartoons reveal about prejudice — and a brief detour into what Count Binface might do with a seat in the Knesset. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Even a decisive election result cannot create order without a workable governing coalition and institutions capable of commanding trust. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these deeper conversations possible. Send your questions to disordershow@gmail.com. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
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https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Call Me Back with Dan Senor — Three Election Scenarios Nobody Is Talking About, with Gil Hoffman
https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/three_election_scenarios_nobody_is_talking_about_-_with_gil_hoffman Call Me Back — Is Israel’s Global Standing on the Israeli Ballot? With Amit Segal and Nadav Eyal
https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/is_israel_s_global_standing_on_the_israeli_ballot_-_with_amit_segal_and_nadav_eyal Associated Press — A look at the major candidates in Israel’s election
https://apnews.com/article/e83e117c86c821a4a8c3546848e9795d Reuters — Israel’s election may change its leader, but not Iran war policy
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-election-may-change-its-leader-not-iran-war-policy-2026-10-21/ The Guardian — After three disastrous years, Israel needs to rethink itself
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2026/oct/21/israel-new-government-election-opposition-victory-palestine

  4. 3d ago · Subscribers Only

    Ep 216. Listener Questions: Has Centrism Failed, Is French Disorder spreading, Can Ukraine Hold On, and Who Can Order the Disorder?

    Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube -
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Disorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bears
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side”
https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site
https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026
https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine
https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club
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  5. 3d ago

    Ep 216: Listener Questions: Has Centrism Failed, Is French Disorder spreading, Can Ukraine Hold On, and Who Can Order the Disorder?

    Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Disorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bears https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side” https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026 https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club https://disordershow.com/club Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  6. Oct 19

    Ep 215. Who is the real Nigel Farage? John Sweeney

    As right-wing populist and far-right parties see a major rise across Europe, Nigel Farage is one of the most consequential politicians of our time.   He may be the UK’s next Prime Minister.  Investigative journalist, and best-selling author, John Sweeney is a thorn in Nigel Farage’s side. He is the Reform UK correspondent of the Nerve. He has covered wars, revolutions and disorder in a hundred countries, including going undercover in Chechnya, North Korea and Zimbabwe. He’s written 17 books including the Sunday Times bestseller ‘Killer in the Kremlin’ about Vladimir Putin.   In this lively interview, which includes explicit language, about his new, explosive book ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ Sweeney does not hold back, citing well-sourced allegations, suggesting the charismatic and popular Reform UK leader is cruel, chaotic and akin to a leader of a cult.  It's a packed hour full of startling allegations, such as Farage not liking working class people and academics, his sympathies towards Vladimir Putin and his narcissistic tendencies.   Nigel Farage, as Sweeney himself makes clear throughout the interview, denies any wrongdoing and has said of Sweeney that he has caused him more misery than anyone else in 25 years of politics. Sweeney says Farage has not yet sued about any of the allegations in his book.   Also in this interview, Sweeney reveals what really happened that caused his infamous shouting match against Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis, which has been seen by millions of people around the world.   Sweeney also tells Out of Order with Mark Lobel why he thinks child serial killer Lucy Letby is innocent. Sweeney has reported on women wrongly jailed for murder before and revealed flaws in the case against Sally Clarke. Her verdict was subsequently overturned in 2003.  LINKS:  Buy John’s book, ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ here: https://amzn.eu/d/07m4laz3   Crowdfunders for Ukraine: https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/XWJOKwDn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink   https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/VlDvrKKn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink   John’s podcast on Lucy Letby https://open.spotify.com/show/0rwlMXKNQK0a7ug2p4oX1D   John Sweeney losing his temper – Panorama, BBC One https://youtu.be/mjlo4u_8g60?is=15o0HQfnzdU5gC2f  Contact Mark Lobel here: https://www.mark-lobel.com/getintouch   HOST: Mark Lobel @marklobeltv GUEST: John Sweeney @johnsweeneyroar PRODUCER: George McDonagh Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

    Ep 215. Who is the real Nigel Farage? John Sweeney

  7. Oct 14 · Subscribers Only

    MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Trump Tariff His Way to a Bolsonaro Victory?

    Brazil’s election is on a knife edge. Jason and Jane discuss Flávio Bolsonaro’s challenge to Lula, voters’ anger over crime and inequality, the rise of evangelical politics and the enthusiasm of financial markets for the right. Could Trump’s tariffs and political pressure help swing an election? What would a Bolsonaro victory mean for the Amazon, climate diplomacy and Brazil’s global role? And why does neo-populism sound increasingly similar from Brasília to Britain? As Jason puts it: “If at first you don’t succeed, rig, rig again.” ORDERING THE DISORDER: The left must confront its failures on crime and inequality, but foreign economic coercion threatens democratic sovereignty everywhere. Thanks to our Mega Orderers for supporting these deeper discussions. Tell your friends and help us grow the club! Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
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  8. Oct 13 · Subscribers Only

    Ep 214. France Burns, Britain Borrows, and AI Takes Over

    From tear gassing student protestors in France to Britain’s chaotic party conferences with their controversial motions, Jason and Jane ask whether Western democracies can still deliver anything positive for the next generation. They take on Labour’s spending promises, the Tory’s bizzarre tax cut pledges, the Greens’ Zionism is Racism controversy and the growing power of bond markets over elected governments. Then: are AI and its creators taking over? Jane reports from the UN General Assembly on the push for global AI rules. After the break, we turn to the US midterms and Iranian-linked security threats in Britain. Plus, Jason finally learns what “squeaky bum time” means. And apparently it is not only about clearing the midpoint. Then in the MEGA ORDERERS BONUS just for our subscribers: Can Trump Tariff His Way to a Bolsonaro Victory? Brazil’s election, the Bolsonaro comeback, Lula’s failures, crime, evangelical politics and whether economic pressure is becoming a new form of foreign election interference. Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/club And in the ORDERING THE DISORDER: Democracies need room to invest in the next generation and international cooperation to ensure AI serves people rather than addiction, polarisation and dominance. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Have the Greens just voted for a de facto ban on Jews? https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000793267697 More on this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/02/green-party-anti-zionism-motion-attempt-tell-jews-how-to-think 'Everyone hates the police' – what France's school protests reveal about a divided nation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nlqnn184o George McDonagh produced Black Box about AI https://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2026/sep/03/black-box-the-chatbots-spirals-ai-psychosis-podcast And then an On the Media about US polarization and ice. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RUp1IfoSX2CXl0s1eVi3h?si=1IlVr9j2SZqt9evXmucpaQ&utm_source=copy-link&t=2045

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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  • Creator
    Jason Pack
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    240
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 766979 868329
  • Show Website
    Disorder
  • Provider
    George McDonagh

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