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Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

  1. E199 Behind Humanity: Mental Health and the Unseen Realm

    2D AGO

    E199 Behind Humanity: Mental Health and the Unseen Realm

    There is a growing conversation happening around trauma, mental health, spiritual warfare, and the unseen realm and this episode steps right into it.  Brandon and the Unrefined crew sit down with Dr. Natalie Atwell to explore what happens when human struggle is treated only through a clinical lens and the spiritual dimension is ignored. Dr. Atwell shares from her work as a clinical mental health therapist, educator, and researcher, explaining why some issues that present as mental health struggles may also carry deeper spiritual roots. This conversation covers trauma, epigenetics, attachment, generational patterns, personality disorders, suicide, dissociation, Freemasonry, occult influence, deliverance, inner healing, brain science, and the divine council worldview. Rather than reducing everything to demons or dismissing the supernatural entirely, this episode presses into a more integrated biblical framework for healing and freedom. If you’ve wrestled with depression, spiritual oppression, church trauma, counseling, or the question of how the unseen realm intersects with real life, this episode gives language to a conversation many people have felt but never knew how to articulate. https://mentalwarriorconsulting.com/ Timestamps:00:00:07 There are spiritual beings out there who have influenced us negatively00:00:51 Intro to mental health spiritual formation and the unseen realm00:03:10 Dr Natalie Atwell shares her background in counseling and Liberty University00:05:30 When clinical explanations stopped being enough00:07:46 Why some mental health struggles may have spiritual roots00:09:50 The cost of ignoring the unseen realm in modern mental health00:12:01 Why spiritual darkness questions rarely get asked in therapy00:14:23 Trauma early experiences and the imprint they leave00:16:48 The Body Keeps the Score trauma and generational patterns00:19:03 Epigenetics faith and healing00:21:11 Why spirituality alone is not enough if darkness is ignored00:23:20 Suicide spiritual oppression and going to war with the lie00:25:38 How skeptical therapists respond to this framework00:27:44 A case study involving dissociation and Freemasonry00:29:48 Personal testimony of darkness depression and survival00:32:03 Layered healing trauma choices and demonic influence00:34:04 Fraternal orders sororities and hidden influence00:36:28 The gray areas and asking better questions00:38:50 The Holy Spirit and discernment in counseling00:41:14 Why the divine council worldview matters for real people00:43:24 Why children may be targeted and the value they carry00:45:48 Assessing darkness without blaming everything on demons00:47:57 Narcissism pride attachment disorder and Babel00:50:16 How to distinguish trauma from spiritual oppression00:53:03 Finished work inner healing and the long road of restoration00:57:39 Renewing the mind after deliverance and healing00:59:35 Community attachment and why the church must show up01:01:55 What Christian mental health care could look like in five years01:04:08 SRA alien abduction language and believing people’s stories01:06:33 How pastors should respond to strange or disturbing testimonies01:08:56 House of David giants and the supernatural worldview of scripture01:11:02 Preparing the church for stranger days ahead01:12:35 Final encouragement greater is He who is in you

    1h 16m
  2. E198 ORP: The Rest of the Story

    MAR 9

    E198 ORP: The Rest of the Story

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com What happens when you keep pulling on the thread and realize the system goes deeper than you thought? In part two with Jason Spears and Christopher Dean of Operation Red Pill, Brandon picks the conversation right back up where it left off and pushes into one of the biggest tensions in the fringe space: how do you stay open to what’s real without drifting into nonsense? What follows is a sharp, honest, and surprisingly grounded conversation about discernment, patience, the limits of logic, the role of the Holy Spirit, and why the Bible is more than a reference book. It is a lens, a framework, and a fixed point in a world designed to keep people disoriented. They get into Mandela Effect claims, pareidolia, current events, spiritual manipulation, the church as counterforce, and the satanic control matrix as a reaction to what Christ has already accomplished. Add in stories about divine protection, coffee paid for by God, truck fires, Mercury years, and a prayer to close it all out, and you’ve got an episode that goes from heady to deeply personal in a hurry. https://orppodcast.com/ Timestamps:00:03:15 Discernment conspiracy facts and avoiding pareidolia 00:05:31 Patience current events and using the Bible as a window 00:07:51 Mandela Effect false memory and attacks on the Bible 00:10:15 War doctrine scripture and filtering misinformation 00:12:31 Logic Holy Spirit and resisting sensationalism 00:14:55 Straight out of Troja and why logic alone can fail 00:17:21 Fixed points Mercury time and God’s perspective 00:19:39 Age time and the limits of human frameworks 00:22:03 The Bible as the codebook against the control matrix 00:24:24 House of David giants and seeing scripture differently 00:26:45 Divine calendar secular time and cultural manipulation 00:29:09 Individual societal and global control as reaction to the gospel

    31 min
  3. E197 You’ve Been Drafted: The Ongoing War for Your Mind and Soul

    MAR 2

    E197 You’ve Been Drafted: The Ongoing War for Your Mind and Soul

    https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Brandon, Lindsy and the Unrefined crew sit down with Jason Spears and Christopher Dean of Operation Red Pill to map the “satanic control matrix”—a framework for how culture, media, education, and systems of power shape the way people think, feel, and live. They unpack brainwashing stages (desensitization, jamming, conversion), symbolism in entertainment, and practical ways to unplug without living in paranoia. AND MORE.  https://orppodcast.com/ Timestamps:00:00:50 Brandon introduces the crew and Operation Red Pill00:03:05 The satanic control matrix begins how they got into this00:05:28 The origin story starts and the flood question at work00:07:46 Hidden messaging and the MCU breakdown concept00:09:54 When the satanic control matrix language formed00:12:10 The theology argument and why Christopher saw room to grow00:14:39 Starbucks moment the framework starts getting written00:17:03 Definition of the satanic control matrix and the cosmic chessboard00:19:24 Why this framework helps connect the big narrative00:21:43 Desensitization explained and exposure changes responses00:24:03 Noticing language and content shifts over time00:26:24 Jamming social pressure labeling and coercion00:28:44 Conversion narratives and the AI programming example00:31:08 Everything becomes weaponized in culture against people00:33:31 Top Gun symbolism moment and nothing feels safe00:35:58 How to use this information without losing hope00:38:15 Overload distraction and why people cannot think clearly00:40:42 Reticular activating system and cognitive rigidity00:43:07 Community sanity and changing your relationship with tech00:45:29 Quiet time and the mind of Christ in a noisy age00:47:50 Practical steps disrupting screens and stimulation00:50:17 Why Jesus took quiet and why that matters00:52:35 How to stay sane and conspiracy fatigue00:53:06 Practical unplugging tips lights on subtitles pause mid movie00:55:30 Brainwave shift and why screens lower resistance00:57:48 Ammo stacking and staying on Team Jesus01:00:10 Entertainment etymology enter and detain01:02:37 Dionysus Bacchus and possession themes01:05:01 Syncretism and the path toward a universal system01:07:03 Method acting channeling examples and spiritual access01:09:30 Movies music sports and games as spiritual liturgy01:11:52 Video games occult themes and cultural conditioning01:14:14 Net industrial complex and subconscious programming01:16:36 The three control goals individual social global01:18:53 Education as individual control protocol01:21:18 Social control through industries and systems01:23:39 Telecommunications and reversing Babel effects01:26:04 Operation Paperclip and occult tech transfer themes01:28:30 Global control pillars geopolitics finance religion01:30:55 Brandon reacts framework clarity and big picture value

    1h 33m
  4. E196 The Cost of Casting Out

    FEB 23

    E196 The Cost of Casting Out

    This isn’t an attack on the supernatural. It’s a call to integrity, accountability, and making sure what we call freedom actually looks like Jesus. Deliverance is real. And so is the damage that happens when zeal outruns discernment. In this Sponsors Only conversation, Brandon and Lindsy talk with Dr. Merrill Greene about “exorcistic abuse,” the history behind exorcism language, why “unclean spirits” mattered in the Second Temple world, and how fake manifestations, celebrity culture, and bad theology can wreck vulnerable people. https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com2 ways to join-  $6/monthly OR $10/monthly- support the movement! Timestamps: 00:00:48 Brandon frames the episode redemptively not anti supernatural 00:03:02 Why Merrill started writing The Cost of Casting Out 00:04:10 A sham deliverance meeting eyes flashing and peer pressure 00:06:10 Leg lengthening and the danger of staged miracles 00:07:39 The Winger /Bolz /Bethel tension and how discernment gets weaponized 00:08:50 Deliverance vs exorcism why Protestants changed the language 00:10:55 Brief history of exorcism from ancient world to early church 00:13:20 Divine council worldview and territorial powers without obsession 00:16:37 Unclean spirits vs demons Second Temple context and 1 Enoch thread 00:18:44 What exorcistic abuse looks like in real cases 00:23:25 When people mean well but bad theology turns lethal 00:25:47 Accountability without becoming a heresy hustle culture 00:28:04 Fake manifestations Munchausen dynamics and ministry incentives 00:30:23 Zoom deliverance social pressure and manufactured demons 00:32:41 Theology has consequences why what you believe shapes what you do 00:34:58 Practical markers character accountability and fruit not theatrics 00:37:20 Covering concerns disciple making movements and lone wolf danger 00:39:48 How common is real possession and why proof matters 00:42:02 Celebrity church culture performance pressure and entertainment 00:46:44 Ignorance training gaps and trauma created by careless labels 00:49:02 Character integrity humility and community as a safeguard 00:56:09 Charismatic realism wanting the real without the spectacle 00:58:20 Closing word and why this matters for judgment and witness

    28 min
  5. E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information

    FEB 16

    E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information

    Misery has a way of forcing honest questions. In this episode, Brandon sits down with Jennifer Johnson who has spent decades helping people move beyond information about God and into real, embodied transformation. This conversation explores heart physics, biblical meditation, imagination, and why so many believers know Scripture—but can’t seem to live free. What happens when the Word moves from the mind into the heart? What if healing isn’t about trying harder, fixing yourself, or perfect behavior—but learning to trust again? This episode unpacks why religious systems often fear inner freedom, how imagination was designed to work, and why your response to pain determines the outcome of your story. The conversation culminates in a live guided biblical meditation that invites listeners into direct awareness of Christ within. This is not self-help. This is not technique-driven spirituality. This is an invitation to closeness. https://paperbell.me/jenniferjohnson-coachhttps://joinapp.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:51 Introducing heart physics and biblical meditation00:03:02 Growing up Christian and discovering something was missing00:05:24 How How to Stop the Pain reframed suffering00:07:45 Heart physics and the parable of the sower00:12:23 Why information alone never produces fruit00:16:52 Meditation, imagination, and reclaiming what religion feared00:21:37 Sanctified imagination versus misuse00:28:43 Christ in you awareness not self-fixing00:30:59 The moment Jesus said “I chose you”00:33:10 Why experience changes everything00:34:47 Guided biblical meditation begins00:41:56 Trusting Jesus as an invitation not a demand00:45:06 Final reflection and closing

    46 min
  6. E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?

    FEB 9

    E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?

    There are “good causes” that can still be carrying a bad spirit, and some of the cleanest-looking institutions in public can hide the dirtiest mechanics underneath. In this one, we talk about how the mask works, why symbolism matters, and why discernment has to be more than vibes. We keep it anchored: Jesus is the way, not a ladder system, not an oath system, not a mystery religion with Christian paint on it — Amy from Eyes on the Right. Timestamps  00:00:07 The veil that hides what groups really are 00:00:25 Unrefined intro and sponsor shoutout 00:00:48 Amy’s testimony and why it points back to Jesus 00:03:08 Sobriety and “no longer lukewarm” devotion 00:05:29 Secret societies as “same gift different wrapping paper” 00:07:51 Knights Templar links and the public “good guy” image 00:10:14 What lower-level Masons know and don’t know 00:12:31 Revelation of the method and “game” dynamics

    14 min
  7. E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy

    FEB 2

    E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy

    Hey, hey, hey—today isn’t a reaction piece. It’s a response. Not a theological sparring match, not a pile-on, not a “pick your side” moment. We’re talking about what sits underneath public failure in the church—power, gifting, trauma, accountability, integrity, and the systems that shape leaders long before anything goes public. If we want real healing, we’ve got to stop playing whack-a-mole with personalities and start asking better questions about formation, cover-up culture, and what restoration actually requires. Join Unrefined Life GroupsJoin Unrefined Apphttps://drrobinbraun.com Timestamps:00:02:42 Examining our own hearts before critiquing others 00:05:01 No one agrees 100 percent with anyone’s theology and why that matters 00:07:15 Prophetic etiquette and why words must be weighed 00:09:33 Stage culture money ego and the illusion of total accuracy 00:11:52 Why these moments expose systems more than individuals 00:14:08 Upside down ministry model gifting elevated over healing 00:16:31 Judging behavior vs assigning intention and the iceberg metaphor 00:18:46 Four levels of consciousness and why triggers persist 00:20:56 Brandon re-evaluates assumptions and contrasts correction styles 00:23:16 Freemasonry generational doors and cover-up culture claims 00:25:41 Character over gifting and why relational community reveals fruit 00:28:04 What repentance could look like for replatforming 00:30:22 Predatory patterns and why some behaviors disqualify platform trust 00:32:37 Organic church family units vs celebrity models 00:34:53 Board failure power dynamics and why exposure happens externally 00:37:14 Sanctification put off vs put on and formation practices 00:39:30 Sonship identity performance and anointing as identity substitute 00:41:50 Why psychics can seem more accurate and the issue of mixture 00:44:14 Occult mimicry counterfeit spiritual experiences and discernment 00:46:37 Dissociation explained trauma survival compartmentalization 00:48:53 Epigenetics cellular memory and generational impact language 00:51:17 Accountability after 18 and responsibility for healing 00:53:38 Freemasonry vow logic and Matthew 18 discipline arc 00:55:52 Integrity as wholeness and why truth is the safer path 00:58:12 Jezebel Leviathan Python framework and confusion dynamics 01:00:35 Witchcraft manipulation twisting intimidation and board dynamics 01:03:00 501c3 alignment claims and spiritual entanglement discussion 01:05:23 Symbolism foundations and why “systems” matter spiritually 01:07:39 Chris Vallotton fallout logic and outcome based ethics 01:10:02 Tree of life vs knowledge of good and evil applied 01:12:25 Why integrity heals subconscious double binds and rumination 01:14:47 Peace joy homeostasis and alignment as nervous system reality 01:17:02 Frequency language and predators targeting low states 01:19:25 Learning prophetic safely practice confirmation and community 01:21:30 Locker room vs field practicing gifts in real life 01:23:40 Gift of prophecy vs office of prophet relational difference 01:26:02 Prophecy as potentiality and confirmation over control 01:28:14 Finding triggers and why guided help matters 01:30:36 Discerning supernatural favor fruit peace alignment and closed doors 01:33:00 Enchanted world discernment food offered to idols analogy 01:35:05 Blessing food and spiritual defilement stories 01:37:24 ULGs what they are and how they work 01:39:45 Identity in Christ healing projections and father lens 01:42:07 Closing encouragement don’t throw the baby out

    1h 47m
  8. E192 The Two Ways Still Stand

    JAN 26

    E192 The Two Ways Still Stand

    The Didache reads like a first-century field manual for Christians who actually expected to live what they believed. In part two, we talk Eucharist as communal fuel for mission, confession as freedom (not groveling), and why early church leadership looks a lot more “traveling + local” than modern church folks assume. We also land on the Didache’s blunt end-times tone, and the unsettling line about sheep turning into wolves when power and religiosity mix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didachehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.com Timestamps:00:00:01 Didache as early church cheat codes and why it still matters00:02:27 What the earliest believers lived by before a finalized canon00:04:45 Eucharist thanksgiving vine of David and forward-looking hope00:07:08 Didache as a church manual catechesis and discipleship pipeline00:09:04 Liturgical but not ritualistic critique of performance church00:11:30 Scripture tradition and recovering ancient categories00:13:55 Eucharist as embodied union and mission fuel00:16:12 Progressive revelation recovery and the need for an anchor00:18:27 Prima scriptura obedience without merit mentality00:20:51 Communion at table fellowship vs individualistic ritual

    22 min
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.

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  • Creator
    Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    176
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Unrefined LLC
  • Show Website
    Unrefined Podcast .com

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