Religion and Justice

Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice

Welcome to "Religion and Justice," a podcast brought to you by the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. Hosted by Gabby Lisi (she/they/he) and George Schmidt (he/him/ours), we explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering their implications for justice. This podcast is a space for investigation, education, and organizing around these intersections. Join us as we engage in thought-provoking discussions with experts, fostering dialogue for actionable change. Together, we navigate religion, justice, and solidarity for a more equitable future.

  1. Jul 15

    Capitalocene vs. Anthropocene with Jason W. Moore and Joerg Rieger

    In this episode, host Gabby Lisi talks with theologian Joerg Rieger and environmental historian Jason W. Moore about the Capitalocene—a way of understanding the climate crisis not as the fault of “humanity” in general, but as the result of capitalism, empire, extraction, and the cheapening of human and non-human life. Moore challenges the familiar idea of the Anthropocene, or “age of humans,” arguing that it hides the role of capitalism and imperial power in shaping the ecological crisis. Rieger brings this analysis into conversation with theology, labor, and faith communities, asking how religion can either reinforce systems of domination or help people build solidarity and alternatives. Together, they explore class struggle, labor, ecology, Christian nationalism, economic democracy, false idols, and the power of working people. They also ask what religious communities might contribute when they recognize themselves as part of the 99% who work, struggle, organize, and depend on one another. Key Points · The Anthropocene can make the climate crisis sound like the fault of all humans equally. The Capitalocene names capitalism, empire, and extraction as central causes. · Moore argues that capitalism is not only a world economy but a “world ecology” that organizes labor, nature, power, and profit together. · Rieger emphasizes that class and labor are often missing from theology, even though work shapes most people’s lives. · The conversation explores how race, gender, and class are used to divide working people, while solidarity can help communities recognize shared power. · Faith communities can reinforce domination, but they can also resist it by organizing around labor, ecology, justice, and economic democracy. · Rieger describes labor as an “ultimate concern” because life depends on work, including unpaid, reproductive, ecological, and care labor. · The guests discuss “God the worker” as an alternative to images of God modeled on rulers, CEOs, or managers. Guest Bios Joerg Rieger, PhD, is the Founding Director of the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. He is Distinguished Professor of Theology, Cal Turner Chancellor’s Chair of Wesleyan Studies, and Affiliate Faculty at the Turner Family Center for Social Ventures. His work brings theology into conversation with struggles for justice and liberation, especially around labor, economics, public life, and power. Jason W. Moore is Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, where he coordinates the World-Ecology Research Collective. An environmental historian and historical geographer, Moore is known for his work on world-ecology and for developing the concept of the Capitalocene. Resources Mentioned Theology in the Capitalocene by Joerg Rieger https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9781506431574/Theology-in-the-Capitalocene Capitalism in the Web of Life by Jason W. Moore https://www.versobooks.com/products/2124-capitalism-in-the-web-of-life Anthropocene or Capitalocene? edited by Jason W. Moore https://pmpress.org/index.php?l=product_detail&p=779 A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things by Raj Patel and Jason W. Moore https://www.ucpress.edu/books/a-history-of-the-world-in-seven-cheap-things/paper World-Ecology Research Collective https://worldecologynetwork.com Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice https://www.religionandjustice.org Religion and Justice Podcast https://religionandjustice.buzzsprout.com Religion and Justice on Substack https://religionandjustice.substack.com About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  2. Jun 1

    Damon Garcia on Purpose, Work, and Life Beyond Capitalism

    In this episode, host Gabby Lisi talks with author, speaker, content creator, and public theologian Damon Garcia about vocation, purpose, alienation, work, capitalism, and the liberating power of interdependence. Garcia challenges the idea that each of us simply needs to “find our calling” and pursue it harder. Instead, he asks what happens when our gifts, dreams, and sense of purpose are shaped by systems that require us to work in order to survive. Drawing from liberation theology, Marxist thought, anti-capitalist analysis, and his own experiences in ministry and wage labor, Garcia invites listeners to rethink work not as endless productivity, but as purposeful activity rooted in community. Together, Gabi and Damon explore how capitalism alienates workers from their labor, from one another, and from the resources needed to live. They also discuss how faith can help people imagine and build alternatives grounded in justice, mutual dependence, and collective power. Key Points · Many conversations about “calling” and “purpose” ignore the economic pressures that shape what people are able to do with their lives. · Capitalism often forces people either to pursue their gifts after exhausting work hours or to turn their dreams into profitable “dream jobs.” · Work can alienate workers emotionally, spiritually, socially, and physically. · Garcia argues that work is more than wage labor. It includes caregiving, community participation, creative work, household labor, and the everyday activity of sustaining life. · The episode explores Karl Marx’s idea of alienation alongside Dorothee Sölle’s theology of work and love. · Garcia challenges the idea of independence as the ultimate goal. Instead, he argues that humans are interdependent from birth to death. · Community, not individual achievement, is where purpose becomes possible. About Damon Garcia Damon Garcia is a writer, speaker, content creator, and public theologian whose work brings together liberation theology, anti-capitalist thought, spirituality, politics, and culture. He is the author of The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus and the forthcoming book You Don’t Need a Calling: An Anti-Capitalist Manifesto for a Life of Purpose. Through his writing, videos, the newsletter The Lure, and the podcast Perhaps with Damon Garcia, he helps people cultivate a radical imagination for building a freer, more compassionate, and more creative world. Resources Mentioned Damon Garcia’s website/newsletter, The Lure:  https://damongarcia.substack.com Perhaps with Damon Garcia:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perhaps-with-damon-garcia/id1789498524 You Don’t Need a Calling: An Anti-Capitalist Manifesto for a Life of Purpose by Damon Garcia:  https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889832164/You-Dont-Need-a-Calling The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus by Damon Garcia: https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506480374/The-God-Who-Riots To Work and To Love by Dorothee Sölle: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/761570.To_Work_and_To_Love Karl Marx on alienated labor  Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm This podcast was produced by Peterson Toscano About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  3. Apr 16

    The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology with John and Samuel Munayer

    In this powerful discussion, hosts George Schmidt and Gabriella Lisi speak with John and Samuel Munayer about their new book, The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology Amid Gaza. The conversation delves into the indigeneity of Palestinian Christianity, the metaphor of the olive tree as a framework for theology, and the importance of staying in the "long silence" of Holy Saturday during times of genocide and suffering. Key Discussion Points: Theology as Resistance: Defining Palestinian theology as a form of resistance that affirms the reality of suffering while celebrating beauty, resilience, and joy.The Indigeneity of the Olive Tree: Using the olive tree—a symbol of land and family history—as a metaphor for an indigenous theology that resists colonial frameworks.St. George: Patron Saint of Palestine: Exploring St. George not as a colonial "dragon slayer," but as an indigenous martyr and liberative figure for both Christians and Muslims.The Three Spheres of "Olive Oil" Theology: * Church Oil: Theology for blessing and anointing.Olive Oil Soap: Academic work used to "cleanse" toxic colonial theologies.Lamp Oil: The "lived theology" of everyday people—farmers and grandmothers—providing light in darkness.The Silence of Holy Saturday: A reflection on the theological necessity of sitting with trauma and lament rather than rushing too quickly to the hope of Easter Sunday.Internal Critique and Pruning: The need for decolonizing the self and critiquing internal power structures to build a more fruitful movement.Featured Book: The Cross and the Olive Tree: Cultivating Palestinian Theology Amid Gaza https://orbisbooks.com/products/the-cross-and-the-olive-tree?srsltid=AfmBOooMNHj-iUV44Po5h7tBwYOqbJbpkkusCLBOVRiefn7bksgDu70B  Notable Contributors Mentioned: Foreword: Reverend Naim Atik and Auntie Sidr Da'abes.Yusuf Khoury: On "Teta" (grandmother) theology and the history of Gaza.Mara Sargi: Connecting the genocides in Guatemala and Palestine.Azemera Amori: Dialogue between Palestinian and Womanist/Black liberation theologies.Lama Mansoor: On the importance of divine imagination.Daniel Munayer: On the practicalities of reconciliation and liberation.Shadiah Kupty: Comparing Palestinian and indigenous theologies in Turtle Island.About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  4. Mar 15

    20 Minutes with Joerg Rieger: Deep Solidarity

    Deep solidarity is not a warm sentiment or a “let’s all get along” slogan. It’s the kind of collective connection that makes the powerful nervous because it turns everyday shared pressure into organized power. We sit down with Professor Joerg Rieger to unpack what he means by deep solidarity and why it emerged for him out of Occupy Wall Street and the claim “we are the 99%.” Along the way, we draw a bright line between solidarity that liberates and solidarity that traps. We talk about conservative identity solidarity like nationalism and white supremacy, not just as prejudice but as a political technology that can “unite and conquer” by recruiting working people into projects that ultimately sacrifice them. We also dig into the limits of liberal moral solidarity. When solidarity is framed as charity or guilt, it often runs on outrage and burns out fast. Deep solidarity goes deeper than moral appeals by asking what is already tying our lives together under capitalism, extraction, and exploitation. We explore why worker organizing and the solidarity of the masses is what elites fear most, and why the best solidarity never erases difference. Finally, we take on the worry that the “99%” flattens race, gender, sexuality, ability, and other lived realities. We argue that deep solidarity only works when it treats difference as strength, learns from where suffering is greatest, and builds collective liberation without the Olympics of oppression. If you care about social justice, labor unions, community organizing, and real change, this conversation gives you language and clarity for what comes next. Subscribe, share this with a friend, leave a review, and tell us: what would deep solidarity change in your workplace or community? This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  5. Feb 16 ·  Bonus

    20 Minutes with Joerg Rieger: Anthropocene Vs. Capitalocene

    Blaming “humanity” for climate collapse feels intuitive, but it hides the real drivers. We sit down with Prof. Joerg Rieger to unpack why Anthropocene flattens responsibility and how Capitalocene offers a sharper, more useful map—one that follows power, money, and relationships across extraction, production, and belief. From oil fields to boardrooms to pews, we trace how decisions at the top cascade into carbon, culture, and daily life. We start with the familiar story: humans shape the planet. Then we pull the thread—who, exactly, is shaping what? Joerg walks us through the links between petroleum, minerals, finance, and law, showing how extraction and exploitation move together. We interrogate terms like Eurocene and Petrocene, and explain why focusing on identities or single resources misses the system organizing them. Along the way, we tackle a live debate in geology about timescales, arguing that the rapid acceleration of capital-driven warming justifies a vocabulary that centers agency where it operates. The conversation turns to theology and culture, where modern metaphors drift from kings to CEOs. If God begins to mirror a chief executive bound to shareholder value, what happens to care for the common good? Jorg offers a theologically grounded critique and points to alternative traditions—jubilee, stewardship, solidarity—that resist extractive defaults. We also explore AI’s near future: not a savior or a curse, but a force that will amplify whatever incentives it serves. Under current structures, it risks deepening inequality and environmental strain; under new governance and ownership, it can help build resilience. By the end, we trade guilt for clarity. Instead of shaming consumers, we focus on production standards, energy systems, ownership, and policy that shift outcomes at scale. If you’re ready to move past vague blame toward concrete levers for change—across climate, economy, and faith—this conversation maps the terrain and points to the work ahead. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves big ideas, and leave a review with one system you think we should unpack next. This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  6. Jan 19

    Climate Changed: Faith, Climate, And The Work Right Here (Podcast Swap)

    George and I took a break this holiday season and gave the mic to another organization doing great work: BTS Center's Climate Changed  Climate Changed is The BTS Center’s podcast. Well-crafted, warm, and invitational, Climate Changed explores some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change. The hosts of Climate Changed explores honest climate grief, then move toward the work that remains: creating small, connected refuges of courage, kindness, and action. Meg Wheatley’s “islands of sanity” meets Debra Rienstra’s “refugia” to offer practical steps for leaders, neighbors, and faith communities. • naming the limits of large-scale change • choosing contribution without attachment to outcomes • asking what’s needed here and am I the one • building islands of sanity through dialogue and shared work • refugia as ecological metaphor for local resilience • balancing mitigation, adaptation, doom, and hopium • reconnecting theology, hope, and climate action • practical next steps for small congregations • linking local projects across boundaries for strength • learning from communities long practiced in survival We would love to hear your thoughts and responses to our conversation. We would also welcome any suggestions you have for this show.  Feel free to email Climate Changed at podcast@theBTScenter.org. Learn about the many resources we share in our regular online programs by visiting theBTScenter.org. The BTS Center offers theologically grounded programs of spiritual and vocational formation — workshops and retreats, learning communities, book studies, spiritual accompaniment circles, public conversations and rituals, and projects of applied research — all with an intention to cultivate and nurture spiritual leadership for a climate-changed world. The BTS Center believes there is a divine urgency, a sacred calling, to this work, and we invite you to join us. This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  7. 12/07/2025

    Therapy, Neoliberalism, and the Social Roots of Distress with Bruce Rogers-Vaughn

    In this episode, pastoral theologian and psychotherapist Dr. Bruce Rogers-Vaughn—pastoral theologian, clinician, and author of Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age—exposes how today’s mental-health system locates suffering in individual pathology while ignoring the social and economic forces producing widespread distress. He explains how research funding, psychotherapy models, and the biomedical frame all shift attention away from the societal roots of depression, anxiety, and addiction. Instead of understanding suffering as a meaningful response to harmful conditions, the neoliberal model blames the individual and demands “resilience” and compliance. This conversation doesn’t stop at critique. Bruce reframes depression as a meaningful signal, not a malfunction; argues for therapy as deep transformation instead of symptom deletion; and offers a concrete starting point for care that resists adaptation: make friends, build comradeship, recover solidarity. We connect the dots between research policy since 1980, the rise of resilience talk and positive psychology, and why mindfulness without tradition can become just another corporate tool.  Key Points The biomedical model serves neoliberalism by hiding systemic causes of suffering.  “It’s a way neoliberalism covers its own ass… so nobody can trace back their suffering to the system.”Research funding was redirected in the 1980s to brain-based explanations, shutting down community-level studies.Modern therapy focuses on symptom removal, not transformation.  “Psychotherapy today has become a sophisticated exercise in blaming the victim.”Competitive individualism isolates people, fragments identity, and undermines community life.Rising mental-health treatment and worsening mental-health outcomes reflect a disconnect between what’s treated and what’s causing harm.Debt, workplace performativity, and isolation create what Rogers-Vaughn calls “third-order suffering”—distress whose source is invisible but pervasive.Dr. Bruce Rogers-Vaughn is a pastoral theologian, licensed psychotherapist, and longtime faculty member at Vanderbilt Divinity School. With four decades of clinical experience, he is known for his groundbreaking book Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age, which critiques how contemporary mental-health systems adapt individuals to unjust social conditions. His work brings together psychoanalysis, political economy, and pastoral care to reveal the deep links between suffering and the structures of neoliberal capitalism. This episode of Religion and Justice was produced by Peterson Toscano Studios. Learn more about their other podcasts and projects. Visit petersontoscano.com. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

  8. 10/15/2025

    From Reconciliation to Making Things Right: Indigenous Wisdom, Christian Mission, and the Work of Solidarity

    What if “reconciliation” lets the powerful off the hook? We sit with theologian and former United Church of Canada moderator Carmen Lansdowne to rethink repair from the ground up—centering Indigenous wisdom, circular time, and mission reimagined as solidarity. Carmen opens a candid window into her story of sobriety, Advent, and returning to a faith that saved her life, then presses the church to pair grace with real accountability: stop harm, welcome transformation, and measure change by relationships healed, not just programs launched. Together we trace how the language of reconciliation often hides one‑way harms and ongoing power imbalances. Carmen introduces a community vision that asks those who broke trust to turn and make things right—repentance that shows up in policy, resources, and consent, not only words. We unpack why “mission” doesn’t have to mean empire, how indigenizing decision-making widens what counts as knowledge, and why justice must replace charity when congregations hold wealth while marginalized communities carry the costs. From land back to long-term funding without strings, from dialogue-first processes to resisting extractive economics, Carmen offers a roadmap for churches that want courage without arrogance and humility without silence. We also talk about identity and self-determination, the pitfalls of gatekeeping “authenticity,” and the futures tools that keep hope practical: envision best and worst outcomes, then act today in ways you’d be proud of in either future. Bold humility and humble boldness become a daily practice—naming harm, sharing power, and taking faithful risks. If you’re ready to move from statements to solidarity and from nostalgia to repair, this conversation will meet you where you are and invite you further. If this moved you, share it with someone in your congregation or organizing network, then subscribe, leave a review, and help more listeners find these conversations. About Religion and Justice Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners. Learn more at religionandjustice.org The show is currently produced by Peterson Toscano http://www.petersontoscano.com  Religion and Justice on Substack: https://religionandjustice.substack.com Follow us:  Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/religionandjustice Twitter/X — https://twitter.com/ReligionandJ Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/religionandjustice/

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Welcome to "Religion and Justice," a podcast brought to you by the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. Hosted by Gabby Lisi (she/they/he) and George Schmidt (he/him/ours), we explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering their implications for justice. This podcast is a space for investigation, education, and organizing around these intersections. Join us as we engage in thought-provoking discussions with experts, fostering dialogue for actionable change. Together, we navigate religion, justice, and solidarity for a more equitable future.

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    Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
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