Crossed Channels with Tony Fletcher and Dan Epstein

A monthly podcast on which a Yank and a Brit clash and connect over music from both sides of "the pond".

Join music journalists/biographers/musicians/Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Brit) as they debate and discuss the different ways that certain major bands and artists from their respective homelands have been received on the other side of the pond. In the process, Dan and Tony compare and contrast their own experiences as obsessive music fans growing up in the US and the UK. tonyfletcher.substack.com

  1. 20h ago

    Mercury Rev’s Grasshopper on conquering Europe – while remaining strangers at home.

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome back to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the “Yank”) and Tony Fletcher (the “Limey”) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. Dan had an enforced absence for this episode; fortunately, we had already arranged for a first ever special guest to join us in the studio. Mercury Rev formed in the late 1980s around the State University in Buffalo, on the northern edges of New York State, after Grasshopper, a local resident and guitarist/clarinetist/saxophonist, met burgeoning singer and guitarist Jonathan Donahue, who had been born downstate in Kingston Hospital. The group’s early 1990s albums Yerself Is Steam and Boces were celebrated for drug-influenced freakout abandon, gaining the group a foothold in the UK due to the act’s successful hunt for a label there. However, following a major line-up change that trimmed Mercury Rev down to a permanent core of Donahue and Mackowiak, their 1995 album See You On The Other Side, for all that it was more composed and musical, highlighting Donahue’s beautiful falsetto, failed to catch on during the UK’s manic Cool Brittania period, and American audiences continued to prove resistant to the group’s charms. As such, and despite landing a new deal with a new record label, V2 in England, the duo approached what would become their 1998 opus Deserter’s Songs as “a last-ditch effort.” Instead, the album - which embraced an almost symphonic approach to arrangements while streamlining the group’s melodies, resulting in a dreamscape rock music with little by way of easy comparison - won instant accolades in the UK press, whose collective and individual critics’ charts Deserter’s Songs largely topped at the end of that year. Videos by Anton Corbijn helped solidify the group’s artistic appeal (see the Catskills-shot “guerilla video” for “Goddess on a Hiway” below), and consistent touring accompanied by equally ecstatic live reviews resulted in Deserter’s Songs going top 40 across Europe. Yet despite good press in the States and the presence on the album of The Band’s alumni Levon Helm and Garth Hudson, both Catskills residents at the time, Deserter’s Songs failed to connect widely in the States. In this special episode, Grasshopper discusses all of the above and more: why the group got thrown off Lollapalooza 93 and a subsequent Dinosaur Jr. tour, the truth behind him supposedly checking into a monastery for five months, why the mass breakthrough of Deserter’s Songs in the UK proved such a surprise, the reasons for the belated US success of their 2019 album Bobbie Gentry’s The Delta Sweete Revisited, whether the Catskills are truly “cosmic,” and why the group never played in Kingston itself until a local festival appearance at the Old Dutch Church in 2022. As always, the first 10 or so minutes of this episode are free for all to hear. But to listen to this episode in its entirety, along with all of our previous complete CROSSED CHANNELS episodes, just sign up for a paid subscription to one of our Substacks — or, better yet, sign up for a paid subscription to both of them! By doing so, you will not only get a new episode of CROSSED CHANNELS every month in your inbox, but also receive other exclusive posts from each of us, as well as full-time access to all the good stuff in our respective archives. Remember — CROSSED CHANNELS, unlike most podcasts, does not take ads; we value your intelligence too highly to subject you to that sort of thing. And if you are already a paid subscriber to one or both of our Substacks, THANK YOU. We appreciate it more than you can know! tonyfletcher.substack.com danepstein.substack.com Theme music is "Blue Diamond Fire" by Dan's musical project The Corinthian Columns. (Tony's main musical project is The Dear Boys.)

  2. Sep 3

    Unlocked! The Who Take on US and Win, 1967-69

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com In this 19th episode of CROSSED CHANNELS, we flashed back to 1967, the year The Who played their first North American gigs. The band’s inaugural US performance took place on March 26, that year, where they promoted “Happy Jack” — their first real US hit — with a brief but brutal set as one of a dozen or so attractions on Murray the K’s “Music in the Fifth Dimension” show at midtown Manhattan’s RKO Theater. But while no one who saw their Murray the K shows (a nine-day stint during which they performed up to five times a day) would ever forget the experience, The Who would make a greater and more lasting mark in the US with their show-stopping appearance that June at the Monterey International Pop Festival, their grueling two months on the road spent opening for Herman’s Hermits at fairgrounds, auditoriums and stadiums across North America, and their quite literally explosive performance that September on CBS Television’s The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. The band’s hard graft paid off, earning them their first US Top 10 hit with “I Can See For Miles,” which reached #9 on the Billboard Hot 100 that November. But even as The Who were slowly muscling their way to stardom in the US, they seemed in grave danger of fading away in their homeland. “I Can See For Miles,” which peaked at #10 in the UK, was their poorest-selling new single of original material in over two years, and their brilliant 1967 LP The Who Sell Out only reached #13 on the British album charts. Sounding woefully out of place amid the changes in the UK pop scene, the band’s three 1968 singles — “Call Me Lightning,” “Dogs” and “Magic Bus” — wouldn’t even manage to crack the UK Top 20. Throw in the massive debts the band had accrued by regularly trashing their equipment onstage, and The Who were in deep trouble… However, as we discuss, The Who’s burgeoning popularity in the US not only helped to keep the band afloat during this uncertain period, but also set the stage for their breakthrough 1969 album Tommy and the band’s legendary appearance at Woodstock. “If it wasn’t for America there would be no Who,” says Max Ker-Seymer, a friend of the podcast who has seen The Who in concert over a longer period than anyone still attending their shows… and we’re very much inclined to agree. Given that The Who’s 1967-1969 visits to North America also included such infamous incidents as Pete Townshend’s bad acid trip on the flight home from Monterey, Keith Moon’s raucous 21st birthday party at the Holiday Inn in Flint, Michigan, and the concert with The Doors at New York’s Singer Bowl that inspired Townshend to write “Sally Simpson,” there was no shortage of material for Dan and I to touch upon; indeed, this nearly 90-minute episode could have easily stretched to nine hours. CROSSED CHANNELS can be heard both on our Substack pages or via your preferred podcast app. In previous episodes we have discussed everyone from Siouxsie & The Banshees to Parliament, Sweet to Otis Redding, The Jam to The Ramones, The Clash to Blondie, Kate Bush to the Raspberries - but always with a transatlantic angle. Fully paid-up subscribers to either Dan Jagged Time Lapse or Tony Fletcher, Wordsmith get all the 31 episodes, plus our exclusive previously unpublished interviews and access to all the archives all of the time. That is danepstein.substack.com or tonyfletcher.substack.com. Remember: neither our podcast nor our published posts take any form of advertising. We rely totally on your support. And all this for the price of a vegan iced chai latte at the going rate in Bed-Stuy (Do or Die), Brooklyn.

  3. Aug 12

    Siouxsie & The Banshees' Tinderbox Sets America Ablaze

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome back to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the “Yank”) and Tony Fletcher (the “Limey”) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. This time out, we (somewhat belatedly) observe the 40th anniversary of a legendary British post-punk band finally breaking through to the US album charts after a phenomenal run of hits in their homeland. The band? Siouxsie & the Banshees, those iconic goth-rock progenitors with a punk past. The album? Tinderbox, the Banshees’ deliciously dark seventh studio long-player, which was released on both sides of the Atlantic on April 21, 1986. The album peaked at #13, giving the band their seventh British Top 20 album in a row. And in the US, where the band’s cult following had previously only translated to minimal sales, Tinderbox reached #88 on Billboard’s Hot 100, its comparative success opening the door for a two-month headlining tour of North American theaters, auditoriums and outdoor sheds. The album’s initial salvo had actually been fired nearly half a year earlier, with the October 1985 release of “Cities in Dust,” a dance-rock anthem inspired by the destruction of the Roman city of Pompeii. Why was “Cities” released so far in advance of its parent album? And why was Tinderbox the Banshees LP that finally made a sizable dent in America’s frontal lobe? We get into all of that on this episode, as well as the weirdness that ensued when mainstream US press tried to wrap its head around who the Banshees were and what they were up to. We also delve into the stories and subjects behind Tinderbox’s eight tracks, the important musical contributions that Banshees Severin, Budgie and “new boy” John Carruthers (who had replaced Robert Smith on guitar following 1984’s Hyæna) made to the album, and Siouxsie’s importance as a frontwoman, singer and lyricist. And as an added bonus, Dan hips Tony to Theda Bara, the American silent film star whose exotic, occult-tinged “vamp” image presaged (and quite possibly influenced) Siouxsie’s “goth princess” persona. As always, the first 10 or so minutes of this episode are free for all to hear. But to listen to this episode in its entirety, along with all of our previous complete CROSSED CHANNELS episodes, just sign up for a paid subscription to one of our Substacks — or, better yet, sign up for a paid subscription to both of them! Remember — CROSSED CHANNELS, unlike most podcasts, does not take ads; we value your intelligence too highly to subject you to that sort of thing. And if you are already a paid subscriber to one or both of our Substacks, THANK YOU. We appreciate it more than you can know! tonyfletcher.substack.com danepstein.sustack.com The theme music on this episode is "Blue Diamond Fire" by Dan's project, The Corinthian Columns.

  4. Jul 2

    HEY HO! LET'S GO! (To London for July 4th)

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome back to CROSSED CHANNELS — the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. We are all hopped up and ready to go for our 30th episode, in which we flash back exactly 50 years to when the US was celebrating its 200th birthday in a far more positive mood than it appears to be commemorating its 250th. That weekend, 3000 miles from the flotilla in New York’s harbor, further still from all the street parties and suburban barbeques, armed with a reputation honed at Manhattan’s Lower East Side club CBGB’s and a debut LP recorded in two weeks in a studio adjacent to Radio City Music Hall, The Ramones made their British debut at the Roundhouse in London - on July 4, 1976 itself. Their brief show, eagerly anticipated by a small and influential legion of British fans starved for primitive and minimalist rock ‘n’ roll, and conducted in the midst of Britain’s biggest heatwave in living memory, proved to be one of the most exciting and important trans-Atlantic cultural exchanges in music history. It therefore seemed the perfect subject matter for Dan and Tony to discuss on this otherwise quite muted semiquincentennial. To access the full episode, please take out a paid subscription either to tonyfletcher.substack.com or danepstein.substack.com - or both. You'll get all the previous Crossed Channels podcasts, exclusive posts, and access to all the archives all the time. Theme music: Blue Diamond Fire by Dan's project the Corinthian Columns.

  5. Jun 11

    Echo & The Bunnymen: The Album That Broke Echo & The Bunnymen

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome back to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. In this 29th episode we discuss not one of the first four classic albums by Liverpool legends Echo & The Bunnymen, but the troubled, eponymous fifth album. Tony actually witnessed the record’s long gestation in person while writing the band’s authorized 1987 biography Never Stop: The Echo & The Bunnymen Story, which makes Echo & The Bunnymen the first album to be featured on CROSSED CHANNELS that one of us was in the studio for. It is also perfect subject matter for Crossed Channels as it’s an album made by a British band in a British studio but with an American audience very much in mind. Since he was present for its recording — both in subsequently-abandoned form in Liverpool with producer Gil Norton, as well as in London with eventual producer Laurie Latham - and given that he traveled with the band on their subsequent 1988 US tour for SPIN magazine, Tony has quite a bit of insider information to share during this episode. Some of it is explosive, and much of it will be new to Bunnymen fans, so this episode should be well worth the price of admission! Released in July 1987, three years after the jaw-droppingly brilliant Ocean Rain, and nearly two years after the Latham-produced single “Bring On The Dancing Horses” signified a change in musical approach (and landed on the platinum Pretty In Pink soundtrack), Echo & The Bunnymen was the band’s most commercially successful release in the US, where the single “Lips Like Sugar” was a significant radio and dancefloor hit. In the UK, the album peaked at #4, just as Ocean Rain had done. But improved US sales aside, Echo & The Bunnymen was widely seen as a disaster. Once considered the greatest band in the UK, Echo & The Bunnymen - whose drummer Pete de Freitas had returned to the fold after going AWOL in the USA and “totally insane” in the process - now seemed sadly adrift amid Laurie Latham’s generically “80s” pop production. Not even the presence of Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek on a remake of the beloved B-side “Bedbugs and Ballyhoo” — the band subsequently covered The Doors’ “People Are Strange” for the soundtrack of the 1987 teen horror film The Lost Boys — could re-light their fire during the recording sessions. As always, the first 10 or so minutes of this episode are free for all to hear. To listen in entirety, along with all of our previous complete CROSSED CHANNELS episodes, just sign up for a paid subscription to one of our Substacks — or, better yet, sign up for a paid subscription to both of them! tonyfletcher.substack.com danepstein.substack.com By doing so, you will not only get a new episode of CROSSED CHANNELS every month in your inbox, but also receive other exclusive posts from each of us, as well as full-time access to all the good stuff in our respective archives. Plus, your monthly paid subscription will allow us to afford our monthly post-recording repast over at one of our many fine (or at least decent enough) Asian eateries! Remember — CROSSED CHANNELS, unlike most podcasts, does not take ads; we value your intelligence too highly to subject you to that sort of thing. And if you are already a paid subscriber to one or both of our Substacks, THANK YOU. We appreciate it more than you can know! Theme music for this episode is Dan’s project The Corinthian Columns and its latest release “Hydrangea,” available on Bandcamp here.

  6. May 7

    Pick n' Mix: Rickenbackers, Rolling Stones, Lloyd Cole, Luna and "C**ts Like Tom Jones"

    Welcome to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. Instead of our usual format of discussing one particular artist or album, we’re trying something new for Ep. 28: each bringing three music-related topics to the table without informing the other in advance, and going wherever those topics take us. We’re calling this new format the CROSSED CHANNELS “Pick n’ Mix” — it’s like a spirited bar conversation, only without the alcohol. So please join us and try to hang on as the conversation careens from the merits (or otherwise) of Rickenbacker guitars, to the The Rolling Stones’ most vital period, to what makes for a good live show when you’re in your 60s, and more. Tony even finally reveals the correct answer to the multiple choice question/poll that he posted on April 23 asking which Welsh band referred to Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey as "c**ts". Also different: we’re making this Pick n’ Mix episode available to all listeners, and not just paid subscribers to Jagged Time Lapse or Tony Fletcher, Wordsmith like we usually do. While we would obviously love it if you became a paid subscriber to either of our Substacks (if you’re not already), we wanted to give everyone a full dose of CROSSED CHANNELS action, in hopes of tempting some new subscribers. Our other entirely free episode — “Oasis: What’s The Story” from April 2024 — can be found here, while all our paid-only episodes can be found here. They are many, they are varied (The Jam, Replacements, Kate Bush, Otis Redding, Blondie, & Parliament just some of our previous 27 subject matters), they all home in on a specific album or period, and dare we say it, but we think they are a cut above. In addition, we’re putting a different sonic spin on this episode of CROSSED CHANNELS by studding it with snippets of tracks from our current musical outfits — Dan’s solo project The Corinthian Columns and Tony’s band The Dear Boys. And finally, since we also talk in this episode about legendary recording sessions we would have loved to be flies on the wall for, we were wondering: which would be the one recording session you wish you could have attended? Feel free to leave your answer in the comments section of our Substack pages, which — like the rest of this episode — is open to all. Thanks for listening! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com/subscribe

  7. Apr 9

    Connecting with the Mothership

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — a.k.a. the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. This episode (our 27th!) focuses on an album from an artist we’ve wanted to discuss for ages: the legendary funk maestro George Clinton. The main reason we haven’t covered the good Dr. Funkenstein on the podcast before now is that the sheer breadth and brilliance of his six-decade discography made it difficult to decide how to approach it. Ultimately, we decided to hitch a ride on Mothership Connection, Parliament’s 1975 commercial breakthrough. The record not only gave Clinton his first million-selling LP — and his first million-selling single with “Give Up the Funk (Tear the Roof off the Sucker)” — but also introduced the first characters and storylines of the interplanetary Afrofuturist sagas that would dominate P-Funk’s albums and live shows over the rest of the decade. In this episode of CROSSED CHANNELS, Dan and Tony discuss why Mothership Connection was the album that finally brought George Clinton mainstream US success after over a decade of funking on the margins. But we also talk about why the album failed to catch on overseas, and why it would take a few more years before Clinton actually landed on the UK charts. And in addition to getting into the years and musical milestones leading up to the Mothership’s initial landing, we also touch upon Clinton and P-Funk’s widespread influence. To hear this episode in its entirety, along with all of our previous complete CROSSED CHANNELS episodes, just sign up for a paid subscription to one of our Substacks — or, better yet, sign up for both of them! Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) By doing so, you will not only get CROSSED CHANNELS every month, but other exclusive posts from each of us, and full-time access to all the good stuff in our respective archives. Plus, your monthly paid subscription will allow us to afford our monthly post-recording repast over at one of our many fine (or at least passable) Asian eateries! And remember, CROSSED CHANNELS, unlike most podcasts, does not take ads: we value your intelligence too highly to subject you to that sort of thing.

  8. Mar 5

    It's It's a Ballroom Blitz!

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit tonyfletcher.substack.com Welcome to the CROSSED CHANNELS podcast — a.k.a. the podcast in which music journalists/obsessives Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Limey) clash and connect over music from either side of the pond. This episode (our 26th!) will be our tastiest yet, as it focuses on British glam rock legends Sweet… or The Sweet, if you prefer. Dan and Tony are both major fans of the band, but came to their music in very different ways, Tony in the very early 1970s, Dan in the very late 1970s, and this is unsurprising, for while Sweet achieved significant hits in both the UK and the US, their success in the respective markets was rarely in sync. In this episode of CROSSED CHANNELS, Dan and Tony discuss Sweet’s tumultuous yet hit-filled history, and dig into why the American version of Desolation Boulevard is not only far superior to its British counterpart, but may also be the quintessential Sweet album. To hear this episode in its entirety, along with all of our previous complete CROSSED CHANNELS episodes, just sign up for a paid subscription to one of our Substacks — or, better yet, sign up for both of them! You will not only get CROSSED CHANNELS every month, but other exclusive posts from each of us, and full-time access to all the good stuff in our respective archives. Plus, you allow us to afford our monthly post-recording repast over at our local Chinese buffet! And remember, CROSSED CHANNELS, unlike most podcasts, does not take ads: we value your intelligence too highly to subject you to that sort of thing. https://tonyfletcher.substack.com/ https://danepstein.substack.com/ Theme music: "Put It Down" by The Dear Boys.

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Join music journalists/biographers/musicians/Dan Epstein (the Yank) and Tony Fletcher (the Brit) as they debate and discuss the different ways that certain major bands and artists from their respective homelands have been received on the other side of the pond. In the process, Dan and Tony compare and contrast their own experiences as obsessive music fans growing up in the US and the UK. tonyfletcher.substack.com

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