No Script Show

Nathan Wrigley, David Waumsley

A show for people who build websites. A podcast on modern frontend web design where we look at what we can build today with minimal dependencies and skills. We're building this website as part of the show.

  1. Jun 18

    Ep 32. Agile Development: Websites that Evolve

    On the podcast today David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley dive into the world of agile development, focusing on how websites can, and perhaps should, be treated as living products that evolve over time, rather than as static, one-off deliverables. David and Nathan unpack what agile development really means for web designers and website owners, explaining the mindset shift needed to move away from the “perfect launch” mentality and toward an approach built on small, continual improvements. We start by hearing about the core principles of agile, starting with a minimum viable product, iterating in small increments, and letting real-world feedback drive decisions. There’s discussion around the history of agile, tracing its roots back to the Agile Manifesto and how its values, like “individuals and interactions over processes and tools” and “responding to change over following a plan”, challenge traditional, rigid development models. You’ll also hear why adopting agile isn’t just about following a specific scrum process, but about embracing a collaborative, flexible mindset that helps reduce risk, keeps your site responsive to change, and ultimately delivers more value to users. David and Nathan share how agile practices are being applied far beyond software, touching fields as diverse as marketing, education, and banking, and what this means for client relationships and project delivery in web development. If you’ve ever struggled with projects that derail, clients worried about “scope creep,” or the stress of hard deadlines, this episode will challenge your assumptions. It’ll give you practical insights into putting agile into practice: from choosing what features to launch first, to capturing feedback and letting go of what’s not useful. If you’re ready to rethink how you approach web projects for happier clients and better results, this episode is for you. 00:00 Discussing agile development approach 04:44 Understanding continuous software development 06:36 Benefits of Incremental Development 10:31 Understanding Agile Principles 16:18 The benefits of an agile approach 17:58 Agile manifesto and methodology discussion 22:45 Launching a Usable Website Quickly 25:44 Misunderstandings about Agile process 29:06 Agile principles in web development 30:03 Wrapping up the episode

    31 min
  2. May 21

    Ep 31. Inclusive design

    On the podcast today we have a conversation all about inclusive design. In this episode, we break down what inclusive design is, why it matters, its historical evolution, core principles, and how website owners and designers can apply it to their own projects. We begin by discussing the fundamental nature of the web as a platform where, unlike the offline world, inclusivity can often be achieved at minimal cost simply by following standards, an opportunity the industry has too often overlooked. David shares insights from the Website Owner’s Manual, describing the “five pillars” behind building better sites, and why inclusive design sits at the top. We go on to explore how inclusive design goes beyond basic accessibility compliance, actively seeking out who might be excluded and working to remove those barriers, treating diversity as a default rather than an edge case. Nathan reflects on how the (often invisible) difficulties that people face online are less likely to be addressed due to a lack of visible cues and legal pressure. Corporate approaches from tech giants like Microsoft, Google, and Apple are discussed, along with the reality for smaller web professionals who might struggle to justify the investment. David argues that if web standards and good code are prioritised from the outset, inclusive websites don't have to create extra burdens. The conversation then turns to history, tracing the evolution from post-war “barrier-free design” to modern inclusive design, and how concepts like dignity and flexibility are at the heart of truly accessible user experiences. We try to unpack the ethical, reputational, and practical advantages for brands that embrace inclusivity, and point out that, often, what benefits people with specific access needs ends up benefiting everyone. Practical advice for website owners and designers follows, such as using semantic HTML, testing with real users and assistive technology, avoiding reliance on colour alone, and picking images and content that genuinely reflect a diverse audience. We caution against deceptive “dark patterns” and warn of the pitfalls of delegating too much to AI or generic page builders, emphasising the importance of human-centred design thinking. Throughout, the need for ongoing, collaborative practices is highlighted, inclusive design is a process, not a checkbox. We close with a reminder that, when done right, inclusive design not only costs less in the long run but pays dividends for everyone, users and creators alike. If you’ve ever wondered how to make your websites work better for everyone (and not just tick boxes), this episode will give you actionable insights, some history, and plenty to reflect on for your next project.

    40 min
  3. Mar 13

    Ep 29. Making a website owners manual

    On the podcast today we have David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley. David and Nathan are diving into the world of website owner’s manuals, a concept inspired by Paul Boag’s influential book, but brought firmly into the present day, with a focus on everyday website owners, small businesses, and web designers who care about empowering their clients. Drawing on decades of experience building and managing websites, David has crafted an in-depth, living document inside Canva (but designed to be platform-agnostic) that aims to give website owners a comprehensive guide for project management, strategic planning, and brand assets. If you’ve ever struggled with unclear communication between designer and client, or wished for more independence in managing your website, this episode is for you. David and Nathan discuss the evolution from classic brand style guides, documents focused primarily on logos and colours, to holistic website owner's manuals that cover business objectives, brand voice, technology choices, accessibility, and governance. Along the way, they revisit the lessons learned from early web design days and address the friction that so often arises between technical experts and business owners. They walk through the structure of David’s owner’s manual, over 50 pages and growing, detailing pipeline steps like mission and messaging, technology requirements, visual identity, and even legal and ethical considerations. This is not just theory, they share practical tips for real-time collaboration, asset management, and making the manual a valuable resource whether you’re starting your first one-page site or scaling up. If you want your web projects to start on the right foot, and avoid common pitfalls when building for yourself or your clients, you’ll find plenty of actionable advice in this episode. And if you’ve never created a style guide or website manual before, David and Nathan break down the whys and hows, helping you build more sustainable, maintainable, and independent online presences. Whether you’re a designer, a business owner, or simply interested in better website planning, this conversation will give you a roadmap for approaching digital projects with clarity and confidence. 00:00 Website Owner's Manual Concept 05:45 "Platform-Agnostic Presentation Approach" 07:53 Website Style Guide & Design Tools 12:52 "Problem-Solving Before Product Building" 15:43 Website Navigation & Client Guidance 19:31 Document Structure Overview 23:27 "Building Trust for Rankings" 25:20 "Building a Clear Brand Identity" 29:11 "Content & Voice Guidelines" 32:48 Authentic Brand Voice Matters 35:24 "Website Content and Writing Guidelines" 37:54 Visuals: Complement, Not Replacement 43:57 "Design Systems: Test and Simplify" 46:34 "Accessible Web Design Priorities" 49:50 Branding Across Platforms 53:46 Website Analytics and Governance Insights 54:36 Website Review and Compliance Tips 58:01 "Creating a Central Resource Hub"

    1 hr
  4. Jan 9

    Ep27. Enshittification. Why We Need Independent Websites.

    This episode looks into how platforms lure us in, lock us down, and extract value from everyone and how small, independent websites can push back. What this episode covers The 3 stages of Enshittification (Cory Doctorow’s framework applied to web platforms) Real‑world examples: Facebook, Amazon, Google How interoperability was intentionally broken and antitrust was weakened The hidden human labour and exploitation behind “AI magic” The rise and hangover of vibe coding (Karpathy, YC, GitClear findings) Why AI‑generated codebases are brittle and hard to maintain Tim Berners‑Lee, the fight to keep the web in public ownership, and why the web is for everyone Practical ways web designers and developers can reclaim agency: Static sites and the “dumb web” IndieWeb and POSSE (Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere) Using AI as a tool, not a master If you’ve been feeling uneasy about AI hype, social media, and the state of the modern web, this episode might help connect the dots and point to a healthier, more human direction for making websites. Mentioned in this episode Cory Doctorow – Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It Karen Hao – Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman’s OpenAI Yanis Varoufakis – Technofeudalism Tim Berners‑Lee – This Is for Everyone Ed Zitron – Better Offline (podcast & newsletter) Carl Brown – Internet of Bugs (YouTube channel) IndieWeb & POSSE (Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Everywhere)

    1h 6m
  5. 11/29/2025

    Ep26. Google Ads for Local Businesses. Avoid costly mistakes.

    On the podcast today we have David Waumsley and Nathan Wrigley. David and Nathan have been helping local businesses build websites for years, gaining insight into the world of digital marketing and the challenges faced by small business owners, from vets and accountants to electricians and therapists. In this episode, they turn their attention to Google Ads, demystifying pay-per-click advertising for those new to it. With the rapid shift from traditional marketing, think local papers and radio, to digital options, spending your marketing budget wisely is more important than ever. David begins by sharing his experiences supporting clients as they navigate Google Ads: requests to set up tracking scripts, questions about campaign managers, and a recent odd appointment with Google’s own support team. There’s skepticism, are Google’s new beginner-friendly moves as helpful as they seem? As Google adapts to challenges in its search dominance, the duo explore what this means for newcomers. Nathan and David then break down the landscape. Why is Google so powerful? What do statistics about return on investment actually mean, and why do most small businesses lose money? They discuss the differences between traditional and digital marketing, explaining why driving more traffic is pointless unless your offer really connects. Using the story of Bob Smith, a landscape gardener, they illustrate common mistakes, like sending ad traffic to generic homepages and neglecting the power of targeted messaging and landing pages. They contrast this with the marketing-savvy approach of Bob’s wife, Mary, who uses landing pages, keyword research, urgency, and lower-risk conversion options to boost results. The conversation digs deeper into Google Ads practicalities: negative keywords, location targeting, conversion tracking, and why “set it and forget it” just doesn’t work. There’s talk of budgets and timelines, and the importance of time and skill regardless of whether you DIY or hire an expert, along with the red flags to look for if you do. Finally, David and Nathan round off with a checklist for getting started: optimise your Google Business profile, learn about local service ads, invest in onsite SEO, and always start by clarifying your business problem before jumping in. If you’re a local business owner, or guiding one through the world of online advertising, this episode is packed with actionable advice, real-world stories, and critical perspectives on how to avoid costly mistakes with Google Ads.

    41 min
  6. 09/10/2025

    Ep25. Form options for static websites

    Nathan Wrigley and David Waumsley are the hosts of the No Script Show, and in this episode, they’re diving into the vast topic of website forms. Forms, as they point out, are what make the web interactive, without them, you can’t do things like search, comment, shop online, or even book an appointment. But adding forms, especially to static websites, can be a lot more involved than it first appears. They start by sharing their personal journeys and frustrations with forms, both as web developers and as people helping clients with website interactivity. They discuss the explosion in the number of static and hybrid sites, and the need for third-party form solutions if you’re not using a dynamic platform like WordPress. The conversation ranges from specific client expectations, like the belief that ‘if you build a booking form, bookings will magically come’, to why forms can be both a blessing and a pain to administer. They unpack when you might actually need a form, and look into some eye-opening statistics about contact forms, such as how they typically convert much less than direct clickable emails or phone numbers. Along the way, Nathan and David look at alternatives to forms, like WhatsApp links and website chat, and why simply putting a phone number on the site could sometimes be the best UX decision of all. For those who do need a form, the hosts provide an overview of the different options available, from DIY setups using third-party endpoints like FormSpark, all the way up to full-featured SaaS form builders such as Jotform, Paperform, and Tally. They touch on accessibility, cost, performance, spam issues, and how keeping things simple can often be the smartest move. If you want to understand the real value, challenges, and modern choices for website forms, whether you run static sites, work with WordPress, or are helping clients decide what’s best, this episode is for you.

    50 min

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A show for people who build websites. A podcast on modern frontend web design where we look at what we can build today with minimal dependencies and skills. We're building this website as part of the show.