Art & Science of Complex Sales

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  1. Inside Out: Shifting to the Buyer’s Perspective │ Walter Crosby

    12/19/2025

    Inside Out: Shifting to the Buyer’s Perspective │ Walter Crosby

    In this episode of The Art and Science of Complex Sales, Paul Fuller sits down with Walter Crosby, CEO of Helix Sales Development to unpack the core ideas behind his book, Inside Out, and why sales teams often struggle to fit inside structured operating systems like EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System). Together, they break down how to integrate sales into the business operating rhythm without turning selling into a rigid, internal process, and how to pivot to a buyer first approach that qualifies earlier and lands better. Sales Should Not Sit Outside the Operating System (03:11) Walter explains why he wrote Inside Out as a practical guide for leaders who run EOS and want sales to stop feeling like the “outside team.” EOS creates strong internal clarity and structure, but sales has to operate in the buyer’s world, where customers do not care about internal language, frameworks, or meeting rhythms. The goal is to integrate sales into the operating system while still equipping sellers to lead customer conversations around real problems. The Buyer First Pivot Fixes the Standard Sales Process Dilemma (06:57) Walter argues that most sales processes fail when they are built around pitching and chasing. Instead, teams need a consistent baseline process that prioritizes the buyer journey: uncovering whether a problem exists, whether it is compelling, whether there is urgency, budget, and a clear decision path. The shift starts by dropping internal agenda and getting the buyer talking, listening for what matters, and helping them think differently about their problem before any demo, proposal, or solution talk. The Sifter Message Creates Consistency and Qualifies Earlier (17:24) Walter introduces the sifter message as the company sales story that keeps teams aligned without turning reps into scripted robots. The business provides a shared narrative, positioning, and templates so five sellers do not tell five different stories. He also recommends leading with common ground, naming that most solutions are similar, then focusing on the small difference that matters to the buyer. This approach builds trust fast and helps teams earn a “no” earlier, so they stop wasting time on deals that will not close. Listen to the full conversation with Walter Crosby and explore practical ways to build a buyer-first sales motion that qualifies earlier, stays consistent, and drives better outcomes.

    28 min
  2. A Framework for Better Selling │ Guy Lloyd

    12/12/2025

    A Framework for Better Selling │ Guy Lloyd

    In this episode of The Art and Science of Complex Sales, Paul Fuller has a conversation with Guy Lloyd, Managing Director of the Institute of Sales Professionals, about why sales needs more respect, better standards, and clearer career paths in today’s complex B2B world.They cover the cultural stigma around sales in the UK, why selling is a service profession, and how the ISP framework gives teams a practical roadmap for growth. Sales in the UK Is Getting Harder and the Profession Needs a Reset (00:19) Guy says UK B2B deals are growing more complex, buyers are more cautious, and AI is adding both opportunity and confusion. The bigger issue is perception. Sales is still viewed negatively from the outside, even though salespeople love the career. That gap has to close if teams want stronger results. Sales Is a Service Profession, Not a Persuasion Game (02:29) From early customer facing jobs to global IBM leadership, Guy has always seen sales as helping customers improve their business. He compares selling to medicine. Great sellers diagnose, guide, and create real outcomes, not pressure deals over the line. The ISP Framework Gives Sellers a Map for Development (11:09) Guy explains the ISP sales framework and its four quadrants: core sales skills, business sales skills, leading self, and leadership. It scales by role, so junior reps are measured on realistic competencies and leaders on advanced ones. The framework powers assessments, training endorsements, and clearer standards across the profession. A Living Framework That Clarifies Career Growth (22:30) Guy says the framework is designed to evolve as selling changes, whether driven by AI, new buyer behavior, or new expectations. That keeps standards relevant and training aligned to today’s reality. Just as importantly, it replaces vague career development with clear signposting. Sellers can see what’s required at the next level, build those skills intentionally, and grow with confidence instead of being told they are “not ready yet” without a path forward. Listen to the full conversation with Guy Lloyd and discover how a shared standard can build pride in the profession and turn sales development into a real career roadmap.

    27 min
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