Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Liv Boeree
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Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.

  1. 2D AGO

    #52 - Will MacAskill - What Comes AFTER Superintelligence?

    Superintelligence is predicted to arrive within a decade. If that's true, then what comes AFTER? And how can we prepare for it?Which is why I sat down with one of the few people actively thinking about this: philosopher Will MacAskill. Will heads up Forethought, a research nonprofit focused on how to navigate the transition to a world with superintelligent AI systems. He’s also a former Oxford University professor, and a co-founder of the effective altruism movement. In this special Win-Win Live conversation, we discuss why “utopias” often fail, the growing risks of authoritarian lock-in, whether moral progress survives in a post-labor world,, and how the transition to a post-superintelligence world may be more crucial than the development AGI itself. Also, lots of chat about the sun, space and the high seas. Chapters: 00:01:10 — Intro00:04:11 — Frameworks For Thinking about The Future00:06:40 — Why We Need to Think About These Questions Now00:10:50 — Post AGI Worlds00:14:16 — Blockers of Positive Futures00:20:11 — Hedonium00:23:45 — Universal Basic Resources00:29:23 — Suffering Risks00:33:52 — Viatopia00:37:50 — Can We Understand — and Steer — Moral Fashions?00:43:06 — Can AI Repair Our Shared Reality?00:49:45 — Pluralistic Futures: Choosing How We Want to Live00:54:57 — The Dangers of Elites Controlling AI01:03:14 — Can We Measure How Well We See the Future?01:06:50 — Purpose in a World of Abundance01:09:20 — Sci-Fi Ideas Worth Writing Now01:16:29 — Meaning in a Post-labor Economy 01:21:24 — How Does Moral Progress Actually Happen?01:27:45 — Will’s Call to ActionLinks: ♾️ Will MacAskill’s website: https://william-macaskill.com ♾️ Forethought: https://www.forethought.org/♾️ Essay on Viatopia https://www.forethought.org/research/viatopia♾️ What We Owe the Future (Will MacAskill): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1541618629 ♾️ Deep Utopia (Nick Bostrom): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1914741128 ♾️ Utopia (Thomas More): https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2130 ♾️ The Republic (Plato): https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1497 ♾️ Island (Aldous Huxley): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0061561791 ♾️ Anarchy, State, and Utopia (Robert Nozick): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465051006 ♾️ The Archipelago (Scott Alexander): https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/09/the-archipelago/ ♾️ Grabby Aliens Model (Robin Hanson): https://grabbyaliens.com ♾️ The Fermi Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox ♾️ WEIRD Psychology (Joseph Henrich): https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780374173227 ♾️ Protopia (Kevin Kelly): https://kk.org/thetechnium/protopia/ ♾️ Universe 25 (John B. Calhoun): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/ ♾️ Dyson Swarm (Concept): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere ♾️ Effective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org ♾️ Giving What We Can: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org ♾️ 80,000 Hours: https://80000hours.org Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #AI #superintelligence

    1h 30m

  2. JAN 12

    #51 - Tyler Cowen - Markets, Institutions and Why AI Hype is (Probably) Overblown

    What if the biggest risk from AI isn’t superintelligence gone rogue, but the inflexibility of our human institutions? My guest today, Tyler Cowen, thinks so. Tyler is a professor at George Mason university and one of the most celebrated economists in the world. And unlike many AI proponents, Tyler strongly challenges the idea that intelligence alone determines outcomes in society, and instead points to us humans as the real bottlenecks shaping our future, for better or worse. Together with my occasional co-host Igor Kurganov, we debate why he thinks diffusion and human adoption matter more than raw capability, and why markets remain one of the most under-appreciated signals in conversations about AI risk. Tyler also shares his views on economic growth, UBI, automation, persuasion, state capacity, why fears of mass unemployment and civilizational collapse are often overstated. And of course, we explore what it takes to design win-win systems that scale without collapsing under their own incentives. Oh and we discuss aliens too! A really fun one, hope you enjoy. Chapters:  00:00 - Introduction 01:40 – Market Driven Addiction 14:38 – Wealth Plus 17:28 – State Capacity Libertarianism 25:29 – Why Is Carbon Tax Failing? 27:14 – Climate Engineering 29:45 – Pharmaceutical Pricing 36:45 – Designing Incentives 37:24 – AI’s Impact on the Economy 53:24 – AI’s Impact on Tyler 55:25 – Universal Basic Income 59:25 – AI Timelines 01:10:45 – AI Risk Reflected in Markets 01:18:25 – Convincing Future Risk Scenarios 01:20:57 – AI as a Super Persuader 01:30:51 – Is Tyler Competitive? 01:41:39 – Strangest Beliefs & Aliens 01:46:14 – Rapid-Fire Predictions Links:  ♾️ Tyler’s X: https://x.com/tylercowen?lang=en  ♾️ Tyler’s website: https://tylercowen.com  ♾️ Tyler’s blog: https://marginalrevolution.com  ♾️ Meditations on Moloch: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-On-Moloch Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f  ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350  ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

    1h 52m

  3. 12/17/2025

    #50 - Samantha Sweetwater - Why Indigenous Wisdom Is Important In The AI Age

    What if the purpose of life is to find ways of harmonizing the forces of nature, including the nature of ourselves? My guest this week thinks so. I sat down with systems thinker and "True Human" author Samantha Sweetwater to talk about the metacrisis and the future of civilization in the age of AI. Samantha’s work bridges complexity science, indigenous wisdom, embodiment, and systems theory to explore how humans might transition from domination and extraction toward relationship, reciprocity, and long-term resilience. We discuss why modern institutions are struggling to adapt, how technology differs fundamentally from biological systems, and why aligning AI without accounting for the biosphere may be a category error. The conversation also explores kinship versus the hero’s journey, power over life versus the power of life, and what a truly win-win civilization might require. If you’re interested in AI alignment, systems change, ecology, or the deeper roots of the meta-crisis, this conversation offers a radically different lens. Chapters: 02:18 – Samantha’s Backstory 11:55 – Finite And Infinite Games 17:00 – True Human 21:55 – Exploring Dreams 34:28 – The Great Separation 38:51 – Power Of Life vs Power OVER life 44:36 – The Balance Between Masculine And Feminine 1:05:23 – Observing An Animate World 1:14:45 – Achieving Transmigration 1:24:28 – Practices To Become More True Human 1:42:14 – On AI Alignment 1:59:58 – Begin To Embody Intelligence 2:06:31 – Why Homo Sapiens Exist To Serve Sentience Links: ♾️ True Human Book: https: //www.samanthasweetwater.com/truehuman ♾️ Samantha’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthasweetwater ♾️ Samantha's Substack: https://enlifenment.substack.com ♾️ Daniel Schmachtenberger x Win-Win: https: //youtu.be/KCSsKV5F4xc?si=lM7urTngFNuJ4oZx ♾️ Silent Spring: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #AI #indigenouswisdom

    2h 12m

  4. 11/25/2025

    #49 - British Politician Katie Lam - Defeating Grooming Gangs, Stagnation & Safetyism

    Britain was once a beacon of liberty, and the birthplace of the industrial revolution. So why is its economy floundering, while the USA is surging? Has a culture of extreme bureaucracy turned the former global powerhouse into a stagnant "nanny state"? My guest today is Katie Lam, a Member of Parliament willing to speak uncomfortable truths. From the grooming gangs scandal, to anarcho-tyranny, to an environmental planning system that prioritises newts over nuclear electricity, we learn how an inappropriate fear of risk is suffocating the British soul. We also tackle one of the most difficult conversations facing the West today: the failure of multicultural integration, and why the fear of being labeled "racist" has allowed unspeakable crimes like child grooming gangs to go unpunished for so long. Lastly, we hear her inside view on political rivalries (and friendships!), and how politicians can harness the power of competition and cooperation to generate real meaningful change. So if, like me, you’re concerned about the creeping loss of adult agency, and righting institutional wrongs, I highly recommend this episode! Chapters: 01:58 - Introduction 02:20 - UK vs US economies 03:49 - Is British Decline Systemic, or Cultural? 12:41 - When did the Nanny State Begin? 17:19 - Overregulation and Norma 20:24 - Reduction of Personal Freedoms 24:31 - The National Health Service (NHS) 29:51 - Consequences of Unexamined Laws 32:03 - Britain's Energy Policy & Nuclear Power 47:27 - Bravery and Honesty in Politics 50:55 - The Grooming Gangs Disaster 1:04:15 - Bad incentives for crime 1:14:28 - Culture and society 1:37:44 - How to Keep Talent in the UK? 1:48:48 - How to Make Britain an AI Leader? 1:53:50 - Quality of outcome on Brexit 1:57:29 - Parliament from the Inside 2:12:46 - Axioms to Live By 2:15:04 - Competition within politics Links: ♾️ Katie’s Website: https://www.katieforkent.com/ ♾️ Katie’s Grooming Gang Parliament Full Speech: https://youtu.be/suD-kWU45uw?si=bV0EgAngiSea_QPD&t=658 ♾️ Nuclear Power “Fish Disco” article: https://www.cityam.com/labour-to-hold-fire-on-fish-disco-nuclear-power-reform-due-to-legal-advice/ ♾️ Katie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katieforkent/?hl=en ♾️ Related Win-Win interview with Dominic Cummings -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIi7cAPPnY Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #politics

    2h 20m

  5. 10/08/2025

    #48 - Jim Rutt - Why Capitalism Is Now A Game of Mind Control

    Capitalism has historically been our biggest blessing. But what if it's now turning into our biggest curse? Is it time to change the game? My guest today believes so. Jim Rutt is an early internet pioneer, complexity scientist, former chairman of the Santa Fe Institute, and co-founder of the Game B movement... and he has a lot to say about how our economic and technological systems have trapped us in addictive, self-reinforcing feedback loops. From smartphones engineered like slot machines to markets that manufacture desire rather than meet real needs, he argues that our current “Game A” world runs on a single signal — money-on-money return — and that this monoculture is quietly eroding both our agency, and planetary stability. Which is where “Game B” comes in: a post-capitalist operating system built on multidimensional value, regenerative economies, and what he calls "membranes" — local, self-governing communities that cooperate through trust, technology, and shared sensemaking rather than rivalry and coercion. So if, like me, you increasingly feel that modern life is engineered to keep us divided and distracted, I highly recommend this episode. Liv Chapters: 01:42 - intro 03:38 - Tech hygiene practices 06:57 - what was the motivation for tech sabbaticals? 10:12 - why do people love slots? 15:02 - When did Jim decide to build responsibly? 21:38 - status games 23:34 - The market as an information system 31:38 - have the status games moved primarily to digital 38:42 - definition of game A and game B 52:14 - How to prevent system collapse? 01:05:52 - Have any practical experiments been conducted on game B? 01:18:00 - why game A is self terminating 01:27:45 - how do declining populations factor into planetary boundaries? 01:39:41 - how do we exit the game when we are within it? 01:41:45 - defeating the "Big Man" 01:49:18 - Jim's trillion dollar idea 02:00:31 - AI consciousness 02:14:36 - Consciousness vs Intelligence 02:22:48 - the dangers of ascribing consciousness to AI 02:26:32 - Rapid fire predictions 02:28:53 - Jim's WIN-WIN Links: ♾️ The Jim Rutt Show: https://www.jimruttshow.com ♾️ Jim’s X: https://x.com/jim_rutt?lang=en ♾️ Game B wiki: https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ♾️ Game B Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/gamebcore ♾️ Jim’s essay on smartphone dopamine: https://medium.com/@memetic007/reclaiming-our-cognitive-sovereignty-f49f30eb26bb Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

    2h 31m

  6. 09/25/2025

    #47 - Emmett Shear - Why NATURE Holds the Answers To AI Alignment

    Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the problem? Is there a way to instill values to the mutual benefit of both humans and machines? In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Emmett Shear — Twitch co-founder, former interim CEO of OpenAI and founder of Softmax — for a groundbreaking conversation on the future of AI alignment. Emmett unpacks why the traditional “control alignment” approach, which tries to hard-code pre-determined values into AI, is destined to fail — and why “organic alignment,” inspired by nature, teamwork, and human societies, might be the only path forward for coexistence. From multicellularity to markets, he explains how collective identities form; why betrayal can sometimes be the moral choice; and how we might go about teaching AI to care for us as its own family, rather than see us as masters to obey (or perhaps more accurately, ants to squash). Hear how Emmett's organisation Softmax is experimenting with small, goal-oriented agents in virtual worlds. Why superintelligence should emerge as societies of diverse AIs instead of a single runaway system. And how our own capacity for alignment as groups of humans may be the most powerful clue for what to do next. If you’re ready to explore the very foundations of your assumptions around technology, philosophy and the nature of intelligence itself, this episode will be right up your alley... Chapters: 00:48 - Intro. 01:04 - Organic Alignment.7 09:33 - The Formation Of Emergent Coordination. 16:01 - Techniques For Creating Alignment. 23:43 - What Is The Ideal Environment To Generate Alignment 30:09 - How Much Influence Is Projected On The Ai? 32:49 - The Global Super Organism That Is The Market. 40:41 - Group Questions. 40:50 - The Difference Between Coordination And Alignment. 43:02 - What Is The Win Condition For Softmax? 50:17 - How Do We Maintain The Need For Humans In The Loop? 58:57 - Selecting And Scaling The Right Alignment Model. 1:02:09 - Blowtorch Theory & Black Holes 1:04:48 - Agents Aligning With Each Other Isn't The Same As Aligning With Humans. 1:07:25 - Exploring Ai's Capability For Self Modification And Replication. 1:14:35 - The Difference Between Alignment Capacity And Aligning With Humanity. 1:18:38 - Does Emmett Believe In God? 1:25:23 - Are Humans The Appendix To The Future Super Intelligence? 1:32:17 - Is Training Ai On Human Ethics And Morality Actually A Good Idea? 1:36:17 - Will Ai Be Conscious Or Self Aware? 1:40:48 - One Axiom To Instill Into Ai's Being Created. Links: ♾️Softmax - https://softmax.com/ ♾️Nebulosity and Meaningness - https://meaningness.com/nebulosity♾️Black Holes and our evolving universe - https://theeggandtherock.com/p/in-which-i-tell-you-about-my-next ♾️AI Alignment Forum - https://www.alignmentforum.org/♾️Evolving Intrinsic Motivations for Altruistic Behaviour - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.05931 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #organicalignment #aialignment #ai #aisafety

    1h 43m

  7. 08/13/2025

    #46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Why Nuclear Power Is The Rad Future We Need

    Energy is the lifeblood of civilization. Is nuclear power the source of abundant clean energy that's been under our noses this whole time? In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Isabelle Boemeke (founder of Isodope & energy expert) to tackle the debate between abundance and degrowth, sustainability, safety & energy infrastructure concerns, AI and emerging technologies, and why biomass “renewables” are a giant planet destroying scam. We also get into some history: story from Atoms for Peace to Three Mile Island and the China Syndrome effect, unpacks how the IAEA keeps power and proliferation apart, and explores the promise of small/modular and micro-reactors. Also, techno-pastoralism. You heard it here first! Chapters: 0:00 - Intro - Why Is Nuclear A Win-Win 1:06 - Isabelle's Backstory 7:08 - The Cognitive Impact Of Air Conditioning 10:13 - Renewables Vs Nuclear - Is It Really A Battle? 13:23 - Wind Energy 15:59 - Should America Lean Into Decentralised Energy Grids? 18:32 - The Problem With "Renewable" Labelling 23:49 - Better Labelling? 25:26 - Public Messaging: Simplicity VS Accuracy 29:11 - History Of Nuclear 41:38 - Nuclear Accidents e.g. Chernobyl 44:52 - What Would Have Happened If We'd Discovered Nuclear Energy Before Bombs? 48:25 - Comparison Of Nuclear And AI 52:08 - Lessons Learned From Nuclear for AI Industry 56:20 - Iran's Nuclear Program 59:38 - Funding Of IAEA 1:07:11 - The AI Race - What About China? 1:08:22 - Decentralized Surveillance 1:14:29 - Finding Meaning In A “Brave New World” 1:16:56 - Why Young People Aren't Getting Into Relationships 1:20:06 - Wireheading And Instant Gratification 1:33:42 - Techno Pastoralism 1:36:30 - Economics Of Nuclear 1:45:15 - Government Incentives 1:46:36 - Small Modular Reactors 1:53:30 - Circular Economies & Thorium 1:59:43 - Fast-tracking Nuclear Engineers 2:01:12 - Why Writing A Book Is Hellish 2:09:36 - Rapid Fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Isabelle IG: https://www.instagram.com/isabelleboemeke?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=Y2xkOG9kd3lvdW9h ♾️ Isodope Website: https://isodope.com ♾️ Isabelle X: https://x.com/isabelleboemeke ♾️ i_sodope X: https://x.com/isodope ♾️ Rad Future: https://www.amazon.com/Rad-Future-Untold-Nuclear-Electricity/dp/0593716329 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #nuclearenergy #RadFuture

    2h 17m

  8. 07/30/2025

    #45 - Dominic Cummings - Stagnation, Corruption & Rebooting The System

    Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some of his term, including through COVID. He even had Benedict Cumberbatch play him in a movie! He's also a student of systems, having worked in or around government and civil institutions all his life, which is why I wanted to talk to him, because he's someone who has seen the depth of systemic rot pervading not just the UK, but the whole West. In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation, Igor and I hear why our governments are collapsing under their own weight, the rise of algorithm-driven politics and civil service monopolies, and the general systemic dysfunctions hollowing out the West's institutions. We also explore whether scientific and technological leadership and a whole lot of radical transparency can save us — or if we’re already past the tipping point. So if you’re craving real talk about power, governance, and what it might take to rebuild from the rubble, you'll enjoy this conversation! Chapters: 01:51 - Is Dominic competitive? 07:30 - First Interest in Politics 12:18 - Beginning of his Euroskepticism 16:50 - The current state of the British regime 23:04 - His Time in No.10 Downing Street 33:00 - Who is actually in charge? 36:38 - More COVID screwups 40:05 - The Consciousness of the System 45:15: Avoiding Future pandemics 1:01:27 - Isn't the role of the government to provide stability? 1:07:17 - The Issue of Bureaucracy 1:11:57 - Machiavelli And Escaping the Wheel 1:15:53 - Singapore 1:19:34 - Digitizing the Government? 1:22:00 - Moloch, Incentives & Political sacrifice 1:25:28 - The Media Is A Simulation of Reality 1:29:12 - How to design better social media platforms 1:31:05 - Sensemaking in the AI age 1:37:24 - UK Grooming Gangs Coverup 1:48:21 - Political Gaslighting, Freedom of Speech & 2nd Amendment 1:50:38 - Blasphemy and Islamophobia Laws in UK 1:56:10 - The Sacred Cow of Multiculturalism 2:02:22 - Core Principles To Live By 2:07:48 - Smart vs Dumb Approaches to Regulation 2:17:05 - Rapid fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Dominic’s X: https://x.com/Dominic2306 ♾️ Dominic’s Substack: https://dominiccummings.substack.com ♾️ Simulacra and Simulation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22613.Simulacra_and_Simulation?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_6 ♾️ Moloch explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U ♾️ Brexit The Movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/ ♾️ Mary Wakefield (Dominic’s wife) response to the movie: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico ♾️ Intro by Perry Sinclair The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into. Win-Wins.Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #systemchange #politics

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Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.

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  • Creator
    Liv Boeree
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    54
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    Win-Win with Liv Boeree

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