Cultuurpers Podcast

De culturele podcast van het Cultureel Persbureau

Cultuurpers publiceert over kunst en over kunstbeleid. We zoeken veel uit over de rare dingen die soms met, rond en in de kunstwereld gebeuren. We zijn daar best uniek in. Sterker nog: al sinds 2009 speelt dit netwerk van lezers, opinieleiders en professionele journalisten een cruciale rol als waakhond van de kunstsector en de cultuurpolitiek. nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl

  1. Aug 5

    The Infrastructure of Belonging

    Access to culture is usually discussed in the language of feeling: inclusion, welcome, hospitality. What a season of interviews across two countries taught me is that belonging to a cultural space is rarely a feeling at all. It’s a piece of infrastructure: a voucher, a pricing formula, a governance argument, a months-long workshop. Somebody has to build it, and somebody has to keep maintaining it, usually without much recognition. This is the thread that ended up running underneath four otherwise unrelated stories produced this season for More Than Art. A dancer whose body carries a colonial history that official archives never bothered to keep. Two artist communities, in Ruigoord and OostWest, that built their own spaces because nobody offered them one. And, most recently, two theatres on opposite edges of Milan and Amsterdam, each negotiating, in very different bureaucratic languages, who actually gets to walk through their doors. What “access” costs in practice At PimOff, in the southern periphery of Milan, project manager Antonella Miggiano described a specific chain of decisions built to correct a very ordinary assumption: that a ten- or fifteen-euro ticket is already accessible. It isn’t, for a family of five. So children go free. Theatre courses are priced against a family’s income rather than a flat fee. None of it, Antonella was careful to stress, is framed internally as charity. It’s framed as a correction. At ZID Theatre, in Amsterdam West, artistic director Karolina described a different mechanism aimed at the same problem. Long before a script exists, ZID builds performances through months of co-creation workshops with communities that are not usually asked for their stories — including, for one recent production, a series of sessions held aboard a repurposed ship that was housing fifteen hundred refugees. Karolina calls the underlying principle “breaking the fourth wall”: not a staging technique, but a metaphor for the economic and symbolic walls that ordinarily decide who is allowed into a theatre at all. Two institutions, two countries, two completely different bureaucratic vocabularies, arriving, independently, at the same conclusion: that access has to be engineered, deliberately and repeatedly, rather than simply declared. The theoretical scaffolding Three ideas, carried over from an MA in Arts and Society, shaped how I listened across all four episodes, even where they never surfaced explicitly on air. Ann Cvetkovich’s notion of an archive of feelings suggests that certain experiences, particularly those tied to marginal or countercultural communities, leave their most durable traces not in official documents, but in atmosphere, gesture, tone of voice. That is why a site visit, in every episode, was never treated as colour added after the fact; it was primary material. Sara Ahmed’s and Lauren Berlant’s work, meanwhile, frames spaces and communities as held together by circulating affects rather than by institutions alone, which shaped how I listened for what a place feels like to belong to, rather than only how it is governed. And Pierre Bourdieu’s account of cultural capital supplied the sharper, more structural question underneath all of it: who is authorised to call themselves an artist, and who is merely permitted to visit. Put together, these four episodes make a single, cumulative claim: the right to belong to a cultural space is never actually free, even when the ticket is. Someone, somewhere, is doing the ongoing, unglamorous work of holding a door open. Every practitioner interviewed this season described that labour not as generosity, but as something closer to justice, a correction to an arrangement that was never fair to begin with. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl/subscribe

    The Infrastructure of Belonging
  2. Jul 27

    Breaking walls in Milan and Amsterdam

    Dit is een Engelstalig bericht en podcast van onze Italiaanse stagiare Alessia de Santis. De Nederlandse versie kun je lezen op onze website. This post has bonus content for paid subscribers. Upgrade to get full access. There’s a threshold that interests me more than the stage itself. It’s the one right before it: the door of a theatre in a neighbourhood where, officially, theatre shouldn’t exist. A three-kilometre avenue separating the centre from the periphery, surrounded by offices, and a neighbourhood that has been defined as the worst in the Netherlands. And yet right there, exactly there, two people decided to open a space and keep it open. This episode starts from a very concrete question: what actually happens the moment an audience stops being just an audience? Communitas The anthropologist Victor Turner had a name for that moment: communitas. Meaning that temporary, almost clandestine community that forms when a group of people find themselves together on a threshold, in a time suspended from the ordinary rules of social life, and for a moment stop being divided into roles, classes, functions. Theatre, for Turner, is one of the places where this suspension can still happen. And the scholar Jill Dolan brought this idea even closer to contemporary theatre, speaking of the utopian performative: those brief instants, inside a performance, when the audience feels that another way of being together might be possible. I wanted to put side by side two theatres that each seem to build, in their own way, exactly this kind of moment. PimOff, in Milan, at the far southern edge of the city, in an area - Gratosoglio - that the writer Jonathan Bazzi has described almost as a geographic purgatory between the centre and Rozzano. And ZID Theatre, in Amsterdam West, in what was for years branded the worst neighbourhood in the Netherlands; not for violence, but for poverty, the kind of poverty that strips away access to everything, culture included. ZID in Amsterdam When I got to ZID theater, after my experience working for two years at PimOff Theater, I found myself asking a question: how much of what I lived through at PimOff is specific to Milan, and how much is a struggle that repeats itself? Two different cities, two different languages, two different histories. But when I spoke with my former colleague Antonella Miggiano, project manager at PimOff, and with Karolina, director of ZID, I kept catching myself recognising the same words, almost identical, coming out of different mouths. But communitas doesn’t come into being on its own, simply by opening a door. It has to be built, often through long processes of co-creation. Karolina talks about workshops run together with refugees, aboard a ship that housed fifteen hundred people, to build together (not for them, but with them) the material of a performance. Antonella talks about theatre courses whose cost is calculated on families’ income, because a working-class neighbourhood isn’t included through a oneoff discounted ticket, but through a relationship that lasts over time. Breaking the wall In both cases, what gets built is not just a performance, but the conditions for that temporary community, that communitas, to form even outside the usual margins of a theatre audience. What both theatres seem to have understood is that inclusion doesn’t mean lowering the artistic bar. It means, instead, breaking what Karolina calls the fourth wall: not only in the technical sense, but as a metaphor for all the invisible walls that keep certain bodies, certain stories, certain lives outside the room. There’s a moment in Karolina’s interview where she describes a meeting between residents of the neighbourhood and residents of central Amsterdam, gathered together to ask what the word freedom means today while, as she puts it, “the world around them keeps burning”. And it’s perhaps exactly there, in that shared, temporary instant, that you catch a glimpse of the utopian performative. These conversations taught me that not every city and theatre are the same, but they share similar issues and try to find different solutions to build communitas through art, where art should not even exist. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl/subscribe

    Breaking walls in Milan and Amsterdam
  3. May 29

    Special: What Is an Artistic Space?

    Over the past few years, I have become obsessed with the idea of what an artistic space is. Where is art truly free? Why is it so often surrounded by rules, prices and social conventions? When we visit a museum or a gallery, we are not really making art, we are consuming it: paying for a ticket and observing strict rules about our behaviour. These spaces do not encourage people to make art themselves, and they are not a sufficient alternative to a shopping mall, because they follow the same logic. So should we bring art outside the museum? A concept I found particularly useful in answering this question is Edward Soja’s notion of “Thirdspace”. For Soja, space is not simply a physical container, but it is also shaped by the meanings, stories and power relations we project onto it. A factory and a museum can occupy the same building, but they are entirely different spaces, because what defines them is not their walls but what happens inside them, and who gets to decide that. In Choosing the Margin as a Space of Radical Openness, a text often cited by Soja, bell hooks takes this idea further, arguing that spaces can be interrupted, appropriated and transformed through artistic and literary practice. From this perspective, space is never neutral: it is always a political choice. Nowadays, the idea of repurposing spaces that previously served another function into something entirely different is widely popular. We see this frequently in the arts: exhibitions are now located in former factories, churches and various abandoned buildings. Not just public art, but curated shows in spaces far removed from official museums and galleries. What changes is what happens inside. However, many repurposed spaces are, in the end, simply expressions of gentrification. I am sure that everyone can think of a space in their city that has been gentrified: where the supposedly artistic venues are just upmarket places where a cocktail costs an unreasonable amount of money, and art is not even freely accessible, because, as in every museum, you pay to enter or to consume. I think, for instance, of NoLo, a neighbourhood in Milan that used to be home mostly to people on lower incomes, with accessible housing prices. Nowadays the area has become more expensive, with upmarket bars and restaurants moving in. The repurposing was never intended for the people already living there, nobody asked them what facilities they needed. It was designed to make the neighbourhood attractive to wealthier residents, creating more spaces to spend money in. Yet there are spaces that genuinely aim to be free and creative, and I went looking for them and for what makes them special. The first is Ruigoord, located just outside the centre of Amsterdam, close to the port. Ruigoord existed for centuries as a farming village before being squatted by an artistic community in the 1960s; although living there is no longer possible, some artists still maintain their ateliers. Ruigoord also hosts festivals and is always open to the public. I believe it is what philosopher Hannah Arendt would call a “space of appearance”: a space defined by the act of collective creation, and one of the few places where art is truly free to exist. I was guided through Ruigoord by Roman, who grew up there, and he showed me the space and all the contradictions that come with it: in our conversation, he spoke about local politics, with different factions and differing opinions on how to manage the space, and about the extraordinary freedom given to children growing up there. The second is OostWest, situated in Amersfoort’s industrial area. Like Ruigoord, OostWest houses creative studios for artists, but also hosts DJ sets, workshops and courses, a space that is always open for people to come in, which is precisely what I did when I visited. I had the chance to speak with Rob, one of its founders, and while he showed me around, both he and an artist working there explained the main strength of OostWest: that artists do not create in isolation, but can inspire one another and engage with the people who walk in. OostWest is not defined by its original purpose as a container for industry, but by what happens inside it. This brings us back to the concept of Thirdspace: its ontological meaning defines the role of OostWest far more than its material appearance. The main value of both Ruigoord and OostWest is, without doubt, their sense of community. There, art is not isolated, displayed behind glass on white walls. Art lives through contact between people, not through consumerism and rules. Making art free, accessible and open to everyone is also a way of making the world more creative, encouraging people to make art themselves, as a tool of expression and freedom. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl/subscribe

    Special: What Is an Artistic Space?
  4. Mar 30

    De Omslag #3: Theater als troost

    In Nederland maken mensen meer theater dan dat er mensen naar het theater gaan. Beetje kromme zin, maar het moet wel gezegd: amateurtheater is nog steeds een vrij bloeiende kunstvorm, zeker buiten de grote steden. Mogelijk is het niet de meest jonge en diverse kunstvorm van het land, al compenseren de vele jongerentheaterscholen dat weer. Meestal zijn voorstellingen, in hun vrije tijd gemaakt door mensen die hun geld verdienen met een gewone baan, ook niet bedoeld voor een groot, landelijk publiek. Soms zijn zulke voorstellingen er wel, zoals bij Leidse amateurs die ik goed ken, en toen ik een paar weken geleden ging kijken bij ‘Om te beginnen bij het begin’ had ik wel zo’n voorstelling te pakken. Ouderdom Het stuk past in een ontwikkeling die onvermijdelijk is: we leven steeds langer, en de mensen die in de grote bloeitijd van het amateurtheater, in de jaren tachtig en negentig van de vorige eeuw, met hun kunst begonnen, krijgen te maken met ouderdomsverschijnselen, zoals dementie. Hoe werkt zoiets door in de kunst die mensen voor elkaar maken? De voorstelling die ik in Hoorn meemaakte vertelt het verhaal van een ziekteproces, van zeer nabij verteld door de weduwe van een aan Alzheimer overleden theatermaker. Hoe ga je om met zo’n proces, moet en kan je daar theater van maken? Hoe zit het eigenlijk met euthanasie? Het is niet niks waar deze liefhebbers in hun vrije tijd theater over hebben gemaakt. Hieronder vind je de hoogtepunten, per moment gerangschikt, voor als je wil zappen. * Wat is de voorstelling "Om te beginnen bij het begin"? (00:03:13) * Welke rol speelde Jos van Dijk als inspirator van het Nederlandse amateurtheater? (00:05:01) * Hoe houd je het veertig jaar vol als amateur?(00:08:08) * Het ziekteproces (00:20:18) * Theater als steun bij dementie en de rol van de gemeenschap (00:24:28) * Het maakproces: rouw, theatrale afstand en de rol van de acteur (00:27:00) * Dylan Thomas, accordeonmuziek en de dramaturgische structuur (00:32:28) * Euthanasie en de grenzen van de wet (00:37:02) Het is zeer de moeite waard het hele gesprek te luisteren! Fijn dat je meeleest! Deel deze podcast met anderen! 15.000 luisteraars De nieuwsrubriek, halverwege, bevat een paar interessante nieuwsfeiten, die we in onze volgende editie uitgebreider zullen behandelen. Zoals over het Nederlands Fotomuseum. Luister ondertussen naar deze aflevering van De Omslag. Net als de gemiddeld 15.000 anderen die naar de vorige afleveringen luisterden. Volgende editie nemen we - opnieuw live - op in TivoliVredenburg. Dan, op 30 april, spreken we met Charl Landvreugd en Judy Mesman over hoe Nederland een plak kan worden waarin kunst van iedereen gelijkwaardig is, ongeacht afkomst en huidskleur. Je kunt erbij zijn, reserveer dan wel eerst bij TivoliVredenburg! Met vriendelijke groet! Wijbrand Schaap Met dank aan de medewerkers van TivoliVredenburg! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl/subscribe

  5. Feb 28

    De Omslag #2: Marte Boneschansker en Willem van Zeeland over optimisme en verzet

    “Iemand begon op zeker moment heel hard ‘Give Peace a Chance’ te zingen, en een keer haakten ervaren actievoerders ook de armen in elkaar om zo verzet te plegen.” Zo beschrijft theatermaker Marte Boneschansker gebeurtenissen tijdens ‘Opstand’, een indringende gebeurtenis die 50 toeschouwers per keer dwingt om te kiezen tussen meegaandheid of verzet: “Het valt mij op dat professionele kijkers, zoals journalisten, heel vaak buiten de handeling gaan staan.” In dit gesprek, de tweede aflevering van de serie De Omslag, een live opgenomen podcast vanuit TivoliVredenburg, brengen we twee stemmen samen die meer met elkaar te maken hebben dan je op het eerste gezicht zou denken. Naast Marte Bonenschansker zit Willem van Zeeland, de oud hoofdredacteur van de VPRO, die een boek schreef over hoe Nederland veranderde in de afgelopen halve eeuw. In ‘Trans Brabant Express’, zoals het boek heet, wordt duidelijk hoeveel invloed er al in het oostelijk deel van Noord Brabant is uitgeoefend op de rest van het land, en zelfs de wereld. Gemert Zo blijkt TivoliVredenburg, van waaruit we elke laatste donderdagmiddag van de maand deze podcast opnemen, misschien wel een beetje geïnspireerd op een typisch plattelandsfenomeen: de weidedisco: “Stiekem namen we met het ontwikkelingsteam een voorbeeld aan Time Out in Gemert, een megadiscotheek met meerdere zalen op het Brabantse platteland. Zoiets moest het worden, maar dan grootstedelijk en met een breder cultureel profiel. Het zou een unieke formule worden, nergens anders ter wereld te vinden dan in Utrecht.” Maar ook de wereldcultuur werd een tijdje vanuit Brabant mogelijk gemaakt: “Weinigen zullen weten dat veel beroemde films vanuit Eindhoven gefinancierd worden. PolyGram Films drukte een stempel op de filmcultuur van de jaren negentig met films als Trainspotting, The Big Lebowski, Fargo, Notting Hill, Being John Malkovich en O Brother, Where Art Thou?.” Leiderschap Tijdens het gesprek komen we ook over al dan niet bestaande verschil tussen mannelijk en vrouwelijk leiderschap. Willem van Zeeland sprak uitgebreid met een vrouwelijke hoogleraar die haar feministische leiderschapstheorie toepast op mannelijke en vrouwelijke cursisten. Marte Boneschansker vind het onderscheid tussen mannelijk en vrouwelijk leiderschap hoe dan ook vooral fictief: “Alsof ík niet 16 uur kan doorknallen als het nodig is.” Willem sprak met inspirerende optimisten, Marte Boneschansker heeft door Het Jaar van Verzet, waarin het project ‘Opstand’ ontwikkeld is, een positievere kijk op de mensheid gekregen: “Wij zijn altijd met meer.” Luister daarom naar de podcast, leef het boek van Willem, en kom naar/in ‘Opstand‘. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl/subscribe

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Cultuurpers publiceert over kunst en over kunstbeleid. We zoeken veel uit over de rare dingen die soms met, rond en in de kunstwereld gebeuren. We zijn daar best uniek in. Sterker nog: al sinds 2009 speelt dit netwerk van lezers, opinieleiders en professionele journalisten een cruciale rol als waakhond van de kunstsector en de cultuurpolitiek. nieuwsbrief.cultuurpers.nl