AI Rebels

Jacob and Spencer

The AI Rebels Podcast is dedicated to exploring and documenting the grassroots of the current AI revolution. Every week a new episode is posted wherein the hosts interview entrepreneurs and developers working on the cutting edge. Tune in to benefit from their insight.

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    Can We Trust AI? With Jonathan Schaeffer

    AI can win championships, write convincing answers, and still get the facts wrong. What would make it worthy of our trust? Spencer and Jacob sit down with Jonathan Schaeffer, the AI pioneer behind the checkers-playing system Chinook, for a candid conversation about privacy, bias, accountability, and the road to artificial general intelligence. Jonathan makes the case for independent AI audits, explains his approach to private local AI through KIND, and challenges the idea that language models alone will lead to AGI. Jacob brings his experience as a CPA to the question of auditing systems that keep changing. Spencer explores whether language models could become one part of a larger architecture of intelligence. Along the way, Jonathan acknowledges that AI progress has repeatedly outpaced his predictions—even as he questions where the current approach can take us. CHAPTERS 00:00 Meet Jonathan Schaeffer 01:02 A career built around chess, checkers, and games 04:48 Why trust becomes harder outside games 11:51 Privacy, local AI, and KIND 18:33 Can an AI model ever be unbiased? 25:30 The case for independent AI audits 29:42 How do you audit a system that keeps changing? 36:12 Grounding answers in your own data 38:30 Why language models make mistakes 43:26 Are LLMs a stepping stone toward AGI? 45:58 Will AI progress eventually level off? 49:50 Consciousness and reinforcement learning 54:56 Why education and accountability matter 57:33 Where to follow Jonathan Guest links: Jonathan / Synsira: https://synsira.com/ KIND: https://kind.synsira.com/ Jonathan's academic work: https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~jonathan/ Hosts: Spencer and Jacob Guest: Jonathan Schaeffer

    Can We Trust AI? With Jonathan Schaeffer

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The AI Rebels Podcast is dedicated to exploring and documenting the grassroots of the current AI revolution. Every week a new episode is posted wherein the hosts interview entrepreneurs and developers working on the cutting edge. Tune in to benefit from their insight.