The Real Biz Life Chronicles

Tracy Fryer
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Unedited stories of Business, Branding and Life. Banish boring. Join Tracy Fryer and her guests as they take a ride on the rollercoaster of being a business owner, or of simply being human.Tracy is the founder of Design Studio Perth, a branding agency, so she spends her days working out what businesses stand for. This is where she gets to ask the questions the boardroom version never gets to. Real business owners, their story, the strategies behind their success, and what it actually cost them.Get ready to learn exactly what it takes to grow with distinction and show mediocrity the middle finger.RAW. Honest. Unedited.

  1. 6d ago

    How To Buy A House In Australia | Reece Sacino #161

    Send us Fan Mail Reece Sacino calls himself a finance psychologist, and after an hour with him you understand why. He’ll tell you that the numbers are the easy part of the job. It's the fear sitting across the desk that takes the real work. For most people, taking on a mortgage is the biggest financial decision they'll ever make, and it usually arrives with a knot in the stomach and a head full of advice picked up at a barbecue or at 1am on their phone. Reece's real skill isn't the maths (although he’s pretty good at that too). It's untangling the stress and the misinformation, and handing people a grounded plan they can actually carry. He reckons 80% of his job is managing emotions, and only the last 20% is delivering the information. I know this firsthand, because he's helped me through it more than once - including a refinance while my marriage was ending, a big decision landing at the exact moment you're least equipped to make it. He was kind, patient, and he spoke a language that made sense in the chaos. So I wanted to get him in the studio and find out where a man learns to do that. In this conversation, we get into why he'll tell a first-home buyer they're not ready even though he only gets paid when a loan settles, why the lowest interest rate isn’t necessarily the best deal, and the circumstances where renting genuinely beats buying. We also go well off the property script into meditation and stoicism, whether we actually have free will, the moment hiring his first staff changed everything, and his admission that hitting $160 million wasn't the finish line he thought it would be. His business is Equitas Mortgage and Finance, and the philosophy behind it is simple: focus on the client outcome, and the money follows. This episode shows you the person behind that and why, after all of it, the thing he most wants you to remember is not to take life too seriously. In this episode: 5:22 From wanting to be a stockbroker to broking mortgages 9:57 The finance psychologist: why 80% of the job is emotion 12:06 Why he'll tell you not to buy 14:23 The barbecue advice that's costing you money 17:19 When renting actually beats buying 19:12 The government schemes helping buyers in 25:19 Why social media does more harm than good 28:14 The 1,600 phone calls and learning to let go 36:58 Meditation, stoicism, and taming a hyperactive mind 44:37 $160 million, and the goal that vanished overnight About Reece Sacino: Reece Sacino is a Perth-based mortgage broker and the founder of Equitas Mortgage and Finance. Born and raised in Perth, he studied commerce at Curtin University with a double major in accounting and finance, and trained under some of the state's best brokers before starting his own business in 2018 at just 21. He built it under his father's Equitas Accounting name, and to this day runs entirely on word-of-mouth referrals, having never spent a dollar on advertising. In 2025 he settled a record $160 million in loans, ranking among the top 10 brokers in Western Australia. He describes himself as a finance psychologist, spending most of his time coaching clients through the stress and misinformation around the biggest financial decisions of their lives. His approach is shaped as much by meditation, mindfulness, and stoicism as by the numbers. Outside of work, he's focused on family, friends, and finding a better balance than the one that built the business. Connect with Reece: Website LinkedIn With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at http://designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    How To Buy A House In Australia | Reece Sacino #161

  2. Sep 25

    Why Good Employees Quit | Becky Felstead #160

    Send us Fan Mail Becky Felstead has made a career out of the conversations most workplaces would rather skip. Photojournalist, personal trainer, lived-experience speaker and now a workplace culture advisor and host of the Resource Podcast - she's had more reinventions than most people manage in a lifetime, and she'll tell you every one of them taught her the same lesson: look after your people, and the rest of the business follows. I'd been watching Becky's work for a good while before we finally sat down together. What struck me was her refusal to take the easy road. She left a stable path inside the mining industry to build something that didn't exist yet: a way of fixing workplace culture that most companies didn't even realise (or want to admit) they needed. In this conversation we get into why lecturing a room about being "part of the problem" falls completely flat, the turning point when she understood that the people she'd been blaming felt just as invisible as anyone, and a skill hardly anyone talks about - reading the room to know when staying quiet is the smarter move. We wander well beyond work, too: motherhood and the pressure of the clock, coming to terms with a future that might not look the way you planned, why running a business can feel steadier than the dating world, and what it takes to reclaim a voice you'd silenced for years. Anyone can hold a microphone. What sets Becky apart is the way she puts it down and listens. In this episode: 4:21 Ambition, dating, and the ticking clock 11:35 Making peace with a life that might look different 16:17 The journalist who inspired her, and the fight for change 22:36 The moment behind the camera that ended her photography career 27:13 Why living by your values costs you something every day 35:14 Starting a podcast to have the conversations nobody was having 40:07 What finally made her leave mining 49:17 "You're all part of the problem" and why it backfired 52:01 Healing before you bleed on people who didn't cut you 1:01:28 "Stay quiet, nobody likes a loud mouth" About Becky: Becky Felstead is a workplace culture advisor, keynote speaker, and host of the Resource Podcast. Drawing on years inside the mining industry and her own lived experience, she helps organisations see that people, profit, and culture are all the same conversation. She delivers keynotes and workshop series on mental health, resilience, and speak-up culture, and works as a people and culture consultant, helping leaders make sense of their people data before the gaps show up as turnover, conflict, and lost trust. She's also a contributing author to the collaborative book Try and Stop Us, writing on losing and reclaiming her voice. Away from work, she's driven by movement, the ocean, and conversations that skip the small talk and get straight to what someone believes, survived, or is building. Connect with Becky: Website Instagram LinkedIn The Resource Podcast With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    Why Good Employees Quit | Becky Felstead #160

  3. Sep 18

    How To Get Clients Without Paid Ads | Coach Macka #159

    Send us Fan Mail Mackenzie Burgoyne - aka Coach Macka - has spent years proving the same thing on the trail and in business: you're capable of far more than you think, as long as you don't give up. He gave up an $80,000 income in his early 20s to email $10 Word-document workout plans from his bedroom. He climbed Kilimanjaro alone. He ran the 1,000km Bibbulmun Track from Albany to Perth in under nine days. Ask him what ties it all together, and he'll tell you it comes back to one idea he calls his "noble quest" - a purpose bigger than the day-to-day that keeps you moving when everything says stop. I met Macka a few years ago through BNI, and I've watched his business transform ever since. This is someone who lives what he preaches. I've seen him at the front of races, socks off, blisters showing, still going. So I wanted to get him in the studio to talk about how he actually did it. When Facebook banned his very first ad before he'd spent a cent, he never went back to paid. He built DUBBEL on organic community instead, and to this day hasn't spent a dollar on advertising while leads still come in every week. In this conversation, we get into why more training won't fix your fitness if the "other 23 hours" are a mess, how he builds trust by letting people see the failures, why he frames luck as the intersection of opportunity and preparation, and the admission that this relentlessly independent founder still can't quite bring himself to ask for help. We also go well off script, into being swept toward the ocean mid-run, delirium at kilometre 700, and the uncomfortable truth about "you're just privileged." His business is called DUBBEL, and the mission is simple: put a personal trainer in the pocket of every member. This episode shows you the mindset behind it. In this episode: 1:50 Giving up $80k to email $10 Word-doc workouts 5:13 The soccer dream that wasn’t meant to be 8:27 Rock bottom, and climbing Kilimanjaro alone 14:29 What DUBBEL does and the "noble quest" behind it 21:55 Why more training won't fix you: the other 23 hours 23:58 Building trust by letting people see the failures 28:08 Getting clients without paid ads 35:55 The Bibbulmun Track: swept out to sea and delirium at km 700 44:01 Luck, belief and asking for help About Coach Macka: Coach Macka is an elite endurance athlete and entrepreneur, and the founder of DUBBEL, a tailored health and fitness system designed to help anybody reach their goals by connecting regular people with elite athletes and exercise scientists. His mission is to inspire his community to pursue the best version of themselves, and he leads from the front: an accomplished long-distance runner, in 2025 he ran the 1,000km Bibbulmun Track from Albany to Perth in under nine days. He grew up in country WA dreaming of becoming a professional footballer, earned an athletic scholarship to play and study in the USA, and - when that dream didn't quite land - channelled the same grit into building a business that's now inseparable from the way he lives. Outside of DUBBEL, he's happiest running, spending time in nature with great people, and learning something new whenever he can. Connect with Coach Macka: Website Instagram LinkedIn With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    How To Get Clients Without Paid Ads | Coach Macka #159

  4. Sep 11

    Who Gets The House In A Divorce? | Marcus Procopio #158

    Send us Fan Mail Most people meet a family lawyer on the worst day of their lives. Marcus Procopio would rather you met him before it. Commercial litigation, property, employment, wills, family law - he's seen it all. He worked for a national firm, then in-house, and in 2016 he opened a boutique practice with his own surname above the door. His name's on it, so everything he says, he says as himself. Last year Marcus gave six words of advice that got a bit of blowback: date people in your financial ballpark. Some people didn't love it. But he's not taking it back, and in this episode he explains exactly what he means, caveats and all. We get into why nobody actually understands "the system" until it's too late, the difference between prevention and cure, the divorce statistics that get worse with every remarriage, why you shouldn't invite the law into your private life on day one, what a homemaker of 30 years is really entitled to, and a 12-year property mistake that will make you check your own filing cabinet. Direct, precise, and genuinely on your side. This one's an education. In this episode: 4:53 The disclaimer a lawyer has to read before giving opinions in 2026 12:41 The real cost of not doing due diligence 18:22 How emotion overrides the logic you should be using 26:52 "Date people in your financial ballpark" - what it actually means 34:54 The divorce statistics: first, second and third marriages 50:34 The income gap, and what the higher earner isn't seeing 1:24:02 The homemaker myth: "he'll take everything" is nonsense 1:38:43 How not to fall into the will trap 1:44:19 The 12-year filing-cabinet mistake 1:55:39 The one thing to remember: slow yourself down About Marcus: Marcus Procopio is the Director and Public Notary at Procopio Legal, where more than two decades in the law have earned him a name for advice that's practical, affordable and focused on getting a result. His work spans a wide field — contracts, business and commercial matters, negotiation and dispute resolution, property and commercial acquisitions, and family law. Clients tend to remember two things about working with him: sharp, careful drafting, and a knack for cutting through complicated problems without leaving anyone confused. He says things plainly, so you always know where you stand, which is exactly what makes this conversation worth your time. Away from the office, Marcus looks after his fruit trees, plays a bit of guitar, spends time under the barbell, and keeps company with Lily, the firm's resident mascot. Connect with Marcus: Website LinkedIn With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery   About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    Who Gets The House In A Divorce? | Marcus Procopio #158

  5. Sep 4

    How To Turn A Good Salary Into Real Wealth | Andreas Kettemann #157

    Send us Fan Mail Big income, no plan. Andreas Kettemann returns to break down why a high salary doesn't make you wealthy A high income does not make you wealthy. Say it again for the doctors, the directors, the business owners - all the big earners secretly living from pay cheque to pay cheque. Andreas Kettemann is back, and this time the man behind our most downloaded audio episode isn't here to talk theory. He's here to tell you where wealth actually starts: the first decision, the order of moves, what he'd do if he was starting from zero. Since we last had him in the chair, Andreas has become a dad, grown 3D Wealth by adding two staff members, and bought a business property. But his message hasn't changed. Wealth isn't what you earn, it's what you decide, decision by decision, from wherever you're standing right now. In this one, we get into lifestyle creep and the brand new car that always comes first, what a broke high earner looks like up close, why "I'll catch up later" is the most expensive lie in personal finance, the five-year hole every business owner falls into - and the one boring habit Andreas wants every listener to start the second this episode ends. It might just be the nudge you needed. Grab a pen and a notebook for this one. In this episode: 7:21 Where a strong income actually disappears to 11:36 What a broke high earner looks like up close 13:40 Wearing different hats: paying yourself like an employee 16:22 The five-year pattern every new business runs through 30:41 Save first, spend what's left - the mindset shift 38:35 Spare cash at month end - where should it go? 41:38 Super: the giant investment nobody checks 50:01 The number one reason couples split 1:03:32 The 50/30 rule for high earners 1:09:15 The one move to make the second this episode ends About Andreas: Andreas is the founder of 3D Wealth, where he helps high-income professionals, medical specialists and business owners bring clarity and structure to the complicated stuff - superannuation, tax strategy, insurance and debt. A chartered accountant with a Master of Professional Accounting and qualifications across financial planning and mortgage broking, he was named 2025 Insight Investment Services Financial Adviser of the Year. His approach is holistic and built for the long haul: he'd rather be your partner for the next decade than your advisor for a single transaction, because that's what actually creates lasting results. Outside of work, Andreas is all about staying active, spending time with family and friends, and never being done learning. Connect with Andreas: Website LinkedIn Email With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    How To Turn A Good Salary Into Real Wealth | Andreas Kettemann #157

  6. Aug 28

    #156 How to Close More Sales Without More Leads - Dave Edward

    Send us Fan Mail He built Perth's largest trade business in 3 years with no experience. Here's the sales process he used. Dave Edwards has spent 40 years dissecting the moment a customer decides. He’s sold for global companies, led sales teams, built six businesses of his own, and learned more from his one failure than from any of the wins. Ask him what he’s taken from it all, and he’ll tell you that it all comes back to a single belief: it's never the product, it's the experience around it. I first met Dave over Zoom a few years ago, and after a coffee earlier this year I knew I had to get him on the show. This is a man who gave up the good life in the UK to move his family across the world and start again. He wanted to prove that his system for success works in any industry, and he decided to do it by going all in on the move everyone thought was crazy: starting a trade business at the age of 49, with soft hands and no experience. Three years later he sold it as the largest in Perth, with 147 five-star reviews. In this conversation, we get into why more leads won't fix a sales problem, the "messy middle" most business owners ignore, the tiny touch points that win or lose the sale, how to make customers feel safe instead of stupid, and why taking full responsibility for failure is one of the best gifts you can give yourself. We also go well off script, into ice baths, wing walking, men's mental health, and the power of gratitude. His business is called Touchpoint Sales Consulting, and the name is the whole philosophy: every small interaction either wins the customer or loses them. This episode shows you how to get them right. In this episode: 6:01 Falling into sales and discovering a gift 8:38 Why human connection matters more in the age of AI 13:37 Can you fix a sales problem with a marketing solution? 14:47 The one tiny tweak that flooded a client with enquiries 19:51 How to become a business that's easy to say yes to 25:03 Getting Google reviews while the customer's buzzing 36:31 Starting a trade business at 49 to prove the system works 40:33 Never make a customer feel stupid 49:07 Men's mental health and the art of getting uncomfortable 59:30 Six businesses, one failure, and taking responsibility About Dave: Dave is the founder of Touchpoint Sales Consulting, where he helps small business owners fix the sales process problems they often mistake for marketing problems. Using his "From Prospects to Profits" framework, he builds customer journeys rooted in trust, clarity, and ease. His philosophy is simple: be memorable, and make every customer interaction a positive touch point. With 40 years in sales, Dave has led teams for global companies and built six businesses of his own - most notably building and selling one of Perth's largest trade businesses in three years, just to prove his systems work in any industry. Outside of work, he's all about family, the ocean, exercise, music, and travel, and is a passionate advocate for self-care in men, vulnerability, and gratitude. Connect with Dave: Website Instagram LinkedIn With thanks: This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery  About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    #156 How to Close More Sales Without More Leads - Dave Edward

  7. Aug 21

    #155 Delegation and Learning How to Trust: How You Get Your Time Back - Mavic Medina

    Send us Fan Mail What if the person holding your business together is not the person who is in the spotlight? Mavic has been a part of every major decision Design Studio Perth has made for five years, and until this week, we had never met face to face. This episode was shot on the first day we’d ever met, at the picturesque Taal Vista Hotel in Tagaytay, and I asked her everything I never had the chance to over five years of working side by side. Mav is the Operations Manager at Design Studio Perth and The Real Biz Life Chronicles, the reason our team runs like a machine. But before DSP met Mav, we had to get through Covid. In this conversation, we get into what it actually takes to hand your business to someone else, why Mav believes resourcefulness beats technical skill every time, how AI is reshaping the virtual assistant role, and the exact signs a business owner should watch for when they know they need their own Mavic. Her title is operations manager, but really, Mav is a genius conductor of chaos, and I always say, “every business needs a Mav!” This episode explains why. In This Episode: 7:47 Choosing mental health over a career 14:17 Which skills make you a resource as a VA 18:07 If VA’s don’t learn AI 24:30 The biggest misconception about being a virtual assistant 39:28 The mindset to have before making a big decision 44:44 Delegation inspiration for controlling business owners About Mav: Mav is the Operations Manager at Design Studio Perth, where she helps keep the business running smoothly by overseeing operations, project management and systems. Working behind the scenes, she supports both clients and team members to create a seamless experience. After leaving a fifteen-year corporate career, she embraced a new path as a virtual assistant, learning an entirely new way of working before growing into her role as Operations Manager. Her journey is one of resilience, continuous learning, and discovering that some of the biggest business impacts happen behind the scenes. Outside of work, she enjoys spending time with family, friends and her fur babies. Tools and resources mentioned: Google Sheets | Asana | Loom | ChatGPT Connect with Mav: LinkedIn With thanks: Recorded on location at the Taal Vista Hotel in Tagaytay, Philippines. Thank you to the team there for hosting us and for the stunning view of Taal Lake that frames this conversation. This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    #155 Delegation and Learning How to Trust: How You Get Your Time Back - Mavic Medina

  8. Aug 14

    #154 Marion Burchell on Leadership, ego and AI: Three forces colliding in every business right now.

    Send us Fan Mail What if the way you have led for the past twenty years is about to stop working? I sat down with Marion Burchell, the Managing Director of Azolla, a Perth based management consulting firm that advises governments and organisations on operational excellence, change, leadership and systems. Marion spent twenty years in the public sector and a stint with one of the big four before backing herself and starting Azolla during COVID, the same month I started Design Studio Perth. What I love about Marion is that Azolla runs almost entirely on word of mouth. She says they have not needed to market in years, and once you hear how she thinks, you understand why. In this conversation, we talk about the thing every business owner is quietly wrestling with right now: the impact of AI on how we work and how we lead. Marion explains why this moment is so confronting for leaders, why so many organisations are preaching wellbeing while creating the exact conditions for burnout, and why the pause, actually stopping to breathe and think, might be the most valuable leadership skill of all. We also get into the difference between leadership and management, how to tell whether you are leading from ego or capability, and why saying no to the wrong clients protects everything you have built. What struck me most was Marion's view that for all our strategies and plans and processes, what we are really missing is the human factor. She describes real leadership as the deep work on yourself, the honest and awkward conversations, and the courage to hold on to your humanity in a world that keeps trying to sterilise it. It reframed how I think about my own role as my business grows. If you have ever felt the ground shifting under the way you lead, or wondered whether the next chapter of your business needs a different version of you, this is the conversation to sit with. Mentioned in This Episode: 6:11  Why the impact of AI is now the biggest conversation in every industry 10:17  The confronting question AI is forcing every leader to ask about their career 14:36  How organisations preach wellbeing while quietly fuelling burnout 17:54  The great pause, and why stopping to breathe might be your most valuable leadership skill 35:00  The two questions that reveal your real value as a business owner 48:07  Why saying no to the wrong clients protects your brand 54:37  Ego or capability: which leadership problem can actually be fixed 1:12:04  Why leadership and management are not the same thing, and what real leadership takes About Marion Burchell: Marion Burchell is the Managing Director of Azolla, a management consulting firm based in Perth that works with governments and organisations on operational excellence, change, leadership and systems. She has appeared on ABC, Fox, NBC, CBS and Telemundo, has authored or co-authored more than twenty publications, and her work on public participation in public policy development has been cited as best practice and adopted by international governments. Marion holds degrees in science and sociology and a certificate in public leadership from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and she sits on the faculty of the AGSM at UNSW Business School. Connect with Marion: theazollaeffect.com  |  marionburchell.com  |  LinkedIn  |  Email This episode is proudly sponsored by Cuppa Cartel. To celebrate, our listeners and the Cuppa Familia can enjoy a special rate on all coffee beans using code TRBLC at checkout. Discover your brand's potential with a free Brand Discovery session at designstudioperth.com.au/brand-discovery About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is the Director of Design Studio Perth, a branding and marketing agency dedicated to helping clients grow with confidence through brand strategy, identity, websites and marketing. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real, blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success. Connect with Tracy Fryer: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | TikTok | Design Studio Perth Follow The Real Biz Life Chronicles: Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | Spotify | YouTube  Email us at info@therealbizlifchronicles.com

    #154 Marion Burchell on Leadership, ego and AI: Three forces colliding in every business right now.
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Unedited stories of Business, Branding and Life. Banish boring. Join Tracy Fryer and her guests as they take a ride on the rollercoaster of being a business owner, or of simply being human.Tracy is the founder of Design Studio Perth, a branding agency, so she spends her days working out what businesses stand for. This is where she gets to ask the questions the boardroom version never gets to. Real business owners, their story, the strategies behind their success, and what it actually cost them.Get ready to learn exactly what it takes to grow with distinction and show mediocrity the middle finger.RAW. Honest. Unedited.

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