Between Two Fermenters

Great Lakes Brewery

Ever wondered what life is really like in the craft beer industry? Whether you're a seasoned connoisseur, a homebrewing enthusiast, into Ontario beer history, or just someone who enjoys some good ol' breezy beer banter, Between Two Fermenters is your go-to deep dive for all things beer from an insider perspective. So, grab a #FreshGLB, kick back, and join us as we share stories, spill the beans on new releases and brewery updates, and chat with other industry folk about the world of making (and drinking) beer.

  1. Sep 29

    John Sleeman, Reviving A Legacy (Part 1)

    In 1933, the Sleeman name vanished from Canadian brewing. Fifty-one years later, an aunt John hadn't spoken to in 15 years showed up with a recipe book, an old bottle, and one demand: bring it back. Troy sits down with John Sleeman, the Founder and Chairman of Sleeman Breweries, founder of Spring Mill Distillery, and 2022 appointee to the Order of Canada. But this isn't the story you've heard. Before the brewery, John was a 16-year-old runaway who tried to buy an English pub with no money, built one in Oakville with a skill saw and a $50K loan, then talked the LCBO into letting him import draft Guinness when none of it was legal. Only then did he learn his family were privateers, brewers and Prohibition-era smugglers. In 1988 he revived Sleeman in Guelph - and within a decade it was Canada's third-largest brewer. This is PART ONE of his story - legacy. What's in this episode: The pre-brewery years: a pub, a rugby club, and cold-calling UK breweries to become their Canadian agentHauling Guinness, nitro cylinders and kegs down pub basement stairs at 3 a.m.Pirates, live chickens and Al Capone: the family history John didn't know until 1984Why cream ale, why a clear bottle, and why the recipe on page 64 wonStroh's, Okanagan Spring, Unibroue, Pabst - and the Upper Canada deal he admits he got wrongThe $400M Sapporo sale, and why protecting his people came firstThank you for tuning into the #BetweenTwoFermenters podcast. Please take a moment to give us a rating and review on whichever platform you get your podcasts at and be sure to follow GreatLakesBeer on all social channels. greatlakesbeer.com. Supporting local never tasted soooo good Hosted by Troy Burtch, Between Two Fermenters, a podcast brought to you by Toronto's Great Lakes Brewery where craft beer and conversation collide - straight from the tanks to your ears.

    John Sleeman, Reviving A Legacy (Part 1)
  2. Sep 15

    Brandon Judd: German Techniques, North American Beers

    Everyone else is dry-hopping the heck out of everything. Brandon Judd is still asking whether it's drinkable. Troy sits down with Brandon Judd, Brewmaster at Avling Brewery - Toronto's brewery, restaurant, and rooftop farm all under one roof in Leslieville. Brandon's path to beer ran through freelance journalism, restaurant bartending, and Toronto's early craft scene at Indie AleHouse before a personal-challenge move to VLB Berlin, one of the world's most respected brewing institutions. From there it was off to Godspeed Brewery for their startup before finally landing at a new brewery, Avling, in 2018. He's spent seven years at Avling, building traditional lagers, barrel-aged mixed fermentation beers, and rooftop-grown ingredients like marigolds and pineapple sage into beers designed to work as hard at the dinner table as they do on their own.German techniques, North American beers - and a brewer still chasing the beer he hasn't made yet.What's in this episode: The road from freelance journalism and Indie AleHouse to VLB Berlin, and why “tradition is a good guide, but it shouldn't be a religion”What German brewing school really changed: less an engineering degree, more a new way of solving problemsAssisting in Godspeed's beer program from poured concrete up, and the brew day that convinced he could go out on his ownAvling's rooftop farm: brewing with marigolds and pineapple sage, and the limits of “100% Ontario”A year into new ownership at Avling, and a deep dive on his beersRapid Fire: the business decision he'd redo, his favourite beer he's ever brewed, and what he's still trying to prove to himself after all these yearsThank you for tuning into the #BetweenTwoFermenters podcast. Please take a moment to give us a rating and review on whichever platform you get your podcasts at and be sure to follow GreatLakesBeer on all social channels. greatlakesbeer.com. Supporting local never tasted soooo good!Hosted by Troy Burtch, Between Two Fermenters, a podcast brought to you by Toronto's Great Lakes Brewery where craft beer and conversation collide straight from the tanks to your ears.

    Brandon Judd: German Techniques, North American Beers
  3. Jul 14

    Carl Pratt – Riding the Waves, Beaches Brewing

    Not every brewery closure is a eulogy. Sometimes it's just a brief intermission... but rarely.  Troy sits down with Carl Pratt, Co-Founder and brewer behind Beaches Brewing Co, the brewery that spent over a decade as a fixture on Queen Street East in Toronto's Beach neighbourhood. Carl's an accidental brewer - a self-described map nerd who traded a GIS career for weekend homebrew batches, then talked himself into opening a brick-and-mortar brewery just months before COVID hit. For years, he ran nearly every role himself: brewer, GM, and everything in between.  In December 2025, after watching the numbers for over a year, Carl made the call to close the doors for good and wrote a heartfelt, unfiltered public letter to the community explaining why - one that got the craft beer world talking. But the story didn't end there: months later, Beaches Brewing reopened under a new ownership group with a new menu, a new look, and Carl still behind the kettle, brewing every batch.  What's in this episode: Carl's path from a Mississauga map nerd to a homebrewer building Beaches Brewing from scratchContract brewing, chasing the LCBO, and the reality of running every role solo for yearsOpening weeks before COVID, a landlord lockout, and the toll of doing every job at onceThe December 2025 closure and the “Peace Out Homies” letter that had the industry talkingWhat the letter really meant to those that read itBeaches Brewing's rebirth: new ownership, a French-Indian-Southeast Asian menu, and a whole new lookThank you for tuning into the #BetweenTwoFermenters podcast. Please take a moment to give us a rating and review on whichever platform you get your podcasts at and be sure to follow GreatLakesBeer on all social channels. greatlakesbeer.com. Supporting local never tasted soooo good! Hosted by Troy Burtch, Between Two Fermenters, a podcast brought to you by Toronto's Great Lakes Brewery where craft beer and conversation collide - straight from the tanks to your ears.

    Carl Pratt – Riding the Waves, Beaches Brewing

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Ever wondered what life is really like in the craft beer industry? Whether you're a seasoned connoisseur, a homebrewing enthusiast, into Ontario beer history, or just someone who enjoys some good ol' breezy beer banter, Between Two Fermenters is your go-to deep dive for all things beer from an insider perspective. So, grab a #FreshGLB, kick back, and join us as we share stories, spill the beans on new releases and brewery updates, and chat with other industry folk about the world of making (and drinking) beer.

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