The Growth Mixtape: Chasing Curiosity and Sharing Boundless Insights from Ideas that Matter

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Listen to my conversations with the most interesting people you may not have come across yet. These conversations might not seem to have a lot in common at first. But just like songs on a mixtape, they create something memorable and emotional. So, let's press play and see what we learn about ourselves. I'm Bob Mathers, host of the Growth Mixtape podcast. I love chasing my curiosity; the further from my comfort zone, the better. Please join me for stories from leaders in business, the sciences, academia and the arts. I find the most powerful ideas, the ones that compel us to do bold things, happen by accident. It is these unexpected collisions that I’m excited to explore in this new podcast. These conversations always give me new insights I never would have gotten from other experts in my field. Every other week, join your host Bob Mathers, keynote speaker for conversations designed to push you out of your comfort zone. Each episode delivers boundless insights and ideas that matter by inspiring you to get off autopilot and keep chasing curiosity.

  1. 7h ago

    Be Unforgettable in a World of Sameness

    Welcome to another solo episode, where I gather up conversations with friends, clients and guests that won’t go away and keep organizing themselves around specific themes.  This one is about something almost everyone I talk to is wrestling with: how to stand out and become memorable. Whether you're chasing a new job, a promotion, an investor, a creative breakthrough, or just trying to figure out what's next — at some point you're going to have to stand out among everyone else doing something similar to you. And in a world engineered for us all to blend into a thousand shades of grey, that's harder than it should be. I walk through why we lose the ability to stand out, why your own life is the only thing nobody on Earth can copy, and the difference between telling your story and excavating it. Then I get practical: the exact three-step exercise I ran fifty people through at Cansbridge, the one you can do today with a pen, some paper, and — I'm not joking — a box of crayons. Key Takeaways The game is rigged for sameness — so change the game. When everyone's playing the blend-in game, the only winning move is to stop playing it and make a bold choice that gives people something to react to.Give them something to react to. Olivia Wilde's casting-director story is the template: the actors who stopped trying to guess what the director wanted and instead showed what they could bring got remembered — and got the call a month later, even when they didn't land that part. Contrast is what gets remembered.A real client example. A customer success leader with a military background had always hidden that part of her story, afraid it read as rigid. In her final interview she led with it—the idea that the mission never changes even when the plan blows up. AI is a catalyst, not the cause. Everyone using the same three tools to sound unique is why we all sound identical — but this problem predates AI. Blending in was always the default.Your life is the only thing nobody can copy — but telling isn't enough. You have to excavate. Telling your story recounts what happened. Excavating it digs into what it reveals about how you're wired and what you can offer that no one else can.Two symptoms, one disease. Symptom one: we don't believe there's anything special about our story. Symptom two: most of us don't actually want to stand out — we live in quiet fear of it. The disease underneath both: we've lost the childlike curiosity we were born with. A five-year-old paints an orange sky and doesn't care what you think — until a thousand tiny corrections teach us there's a right answer and we'd better find it.Encodings and your constellation. We each carry a unique combination of the things that feel more natural to us than they do to other people — like stars forming a constellation only you have. The most fulfilling lives aren't built by grinding at something until you're good at it; they're built by aligning your work with what you were born to do.The three-step exercise (about 30 minutes, pen and paper — or crayons):Clear the decks. Five minutes of stream-of-consciousness writing. No stopping, no editing. Get the noise out.Build your storybank. Three moments that changed something in you — not accomplishments, not the highlight reel. (And don't make them all sad — joy excavates just as well as loss.)Excavate. For each, ask what it reveals about you, not what happened. Look for the thread running underneath.Uncover your Category of One. Draft one statement — "I believe…" is a useful scaffold, not a rule.Say it out loud within the hour. A statement you've never spoken is just journaling. Test it on a real human and watch their face. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Jim Collins’ What to Make of a Life: https://www.jimcollins.com/books.html Cansbridge Fellowship Conference Workshop: https://cansbridgefellowshipconference.com/

    Be Unforgettable in a World of Sameness

  2. Aug 27

    You Were Born Creative, Here's How to Get It Back with Juno Winner Rob Szabo

    Today I talk to Rob Szabo — a four-time Juno-nominated (and one-time Juno-winning) musician, producer, and composer who has spent over thirty years making a living doing the thing most of us are told to give up on. He's played in bands since before he was legally allowed to be there, sold thousands of tapes out of the back of a car in the '90s independent music boom, produced some fifty albums, and — in a plot twist nobody could have planned — writes music for the Paw Patrol movies, including a hair metal song he sings as the villain. Rob and I grew up in the same town, a year apart, and somehow never crossed paths until a couple of months ago at Peter Katz's songwriting retreat. He was the first person I met when I walked in the door, and I've been wanting to have this conversation ever since. I came into this thinking I'd ask Rob about the Junos and Paw Patrol and the fairy-tale career. Instead we went straight down the rabbit hole I've been obsessed with lately — creativity as a practice, not a talent you're either born with or not. We talked about the childlike well of creativity we all get told to bury, learning to be comfortable with waste, doing the work as an end in itself, and the constant negotiation of showing up to the practice even when you don't feel like it. If you've ever told yourself "I'm just not a creative person," this one's for you. Please enjoy, Rob Zabo. Key Takeaways Creativity is a practice, not a gift. We're all born with a deep well of it — it just gets dulled over the years as we're told to be serious and grow up. The good news: it's still there, and you can rebuild access to it like any other habit.The things worth doing are the ones you don't run a cost-benefit analysis on. Rob's most meaningful work came from committing to things as an end in themselves — not justifying the means to an end. If you're trying to justify it, it's probably not the thing.Beware getting really good at something you never wanted to do. Chasing security by doing "adjacent" work is how you wake up an expert at the wrong thing, with no time left for what you actually care about.Get comfortable with waste. Most creative work never gets seen — the sketches, the fifty songs recorded so twenty make the album, the dozens of revisions. In a productivity-obsessed culture that demands immediate results, learning to tolerate waste is one of the hardest and most essential shifts.Faith is part of the deal. Sitting down for two hours with no idea whether anything useful will come out — and doing it anyway — is an act of faith that the reps eventually produce fruit.Lower the stakes to beat resistance. "Let's write a s****y song today." Some of the best work comes when you're just fooling around and the pressure's off.Novel settings short-circuit the inner critic. Nature, water, a boat on a lake, a walk, a shower, driving — occupying your conscious brain just enough gets you out of your own way. Recognition matters less than you think — to everyone but you. The Junos, the followers, the accolades: nobody's paying as much attention as you are. Rob flags his Juno on LinkedIn knowing it eases a client's mind, while holding lightly to the fact that it doesn't mean what people think it means.Once you release something into the world, what happens next isn't about you (a Rick Rubin idea we both wrestle with). We're hardwired to crave the validation anyway — which is exactly what makes social media so insidious. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Rob Szabo’s website: https://www.robszabo.com/ The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin: https://sites.prh.com/thecreativeact Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/97395/bird-by-bird-by-anne-lamott/ Peter Katz's Heartstrings Songwriting Retreat: https://heartstringsretreats.com/

    You Were Born Creative, Here's How to Get It Back with Juno Winner Rob Szabo

  3. Aug 13

    Shedding Your Lazy Friends of Pleasure with Michelle Grocholsky

    Michelle Grocholsky is back for her second time on the show, and this one's a different format than her first. Instead of a traditional interview, we each brought two topics we were excited to explore, didn't share them ahead of time, and just pressed record to see what happened. Michelle works in equity, diversity, and inclusion, and she's someone I've had dozens of conversations with over the years — but there's something about doing it with a microphone on and other people listening that makes even close friends nervous. We both admitted to that jitteriness up front, and I think that's part of what made this land where it did. We got into a belief I no longer hold (that I'm not a creative person), the whiskey-fuelled childhood moment that may have quietly turned my volume down, Aristotle's three kinds of friendship and how our circles change as we age, my nearly-five-years of sobriety and the conversations it forced with myself, and Michelle's decision to walk away from social media almost entirely — and what that clarified about who actually shows up for her. Please enjoy, Michelle Grocholsky.  Key Takeaways The beliefs we hold most firmly about ourselves are often the ones we've never examined. Bob spent his life believing he wasn't creative and needed to borrow ideas from others — only to discover a deep well of untapped creativity once he got sober and had the space to look inward.Rick Rubin's reframe cuts through a lifetime of self-limiting stories: never say you're not good at something. All you actually know is whether you've tried it or not. Everything else is a fabrication we've accepted as fact.The gap between how the world sees us and the stories we carry about ourselves can be enormous. When Bob talked about "rediscovering" his creativity, friends who'd known him for years were baffled — to them it was never in question. The work isn't building the muscle; it's turning the volume back up on what was always there.Aristotle's three kinds of friendship — utility, pleasure, and virtue — are a useful lens for the friendships that shift as we age. We need all three, and the mix changes over time, but the enduring "friends of virtue" (where you can be fully yourself) are the ones worth deliberately cultivating.Deep, virtuous friendships often come from unexpected places — Michelle's most precious friend is a man in his seventies she met at a coffee shop, generations apart with little on paper in common. Sometimes you have to be "the weirdo at the coffee shop" and risk a few no's to find real connection.Existing pleasure friendships can deepen — but usually only at an inflection point (a diagnosis, a decision, becoming a parent, getting sober). And when you go vulnerable first, sometimes the door stays closed, and that's okay. No single person fulfils every need.On sobriety, the hardest conversations were with himself, not others. The unexpected gift of sobriety wasn't better sleep (still working on that) — it was comfort in his own skin.Michelle's case against social media: it enables "lazy friendships" (people who know your milestones without ever asking about your life), fuels comparison against curated fictions, and quietly steals the hours you'd need to exercise, read, or call your mom. The clarifying, uncomfortable truth: when Michelle left social media, most people forgot her birthday and few showed up for her biggest career milestones. You can't have it both ways with applause. If you let likes and recognition feed you, you'll be gutted when the applause stops. Real connection is a skill people are actively losing. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Michelle on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-grocholsky/

    Shedding Your Lazy Friends of Pleasure with Michelle Grocholsky

  4. Jul 23

    The Real Why Behind the Exploding Retreat Industry

    Welcome to another a solo episode — where I pull together threads from conversations with guests, clients, and friends that keep organizing themselves around a theme, and try to make sense of them out loud so you have space to insert your own stories. Today's thread is the rise of the retreats. They seem to have come out of nowhere — nobody talked about them before COVID, and now everyone I know is either going on one, saving up for one, or running their own. I've done two in the last ten months, and both were transformational. So I want to sit with a paradox: these retreats are helpful, they're necessary, and it's completely messed up that we need them at all. We've engineered our lives to be so full of distraction, comparison, and anxiety that we'll pay thousands of dollars to sit on a rock in the woods for three days and remember how we're actually meant to live. I also share the story behind the song I wrote at Peter Katz's Heartstrings retreat — a song about my mom, dementia, and a playlist that brought her back to sixteen for a five-hour car ride — and then get practical about how to bring the best of these reset experiences home instead of leaving them in the woods. If you stick around to the end, you get the world premiere of "Play Me Some Elvis." Mom, this one's for you. Key Takeaways The retreat paradox: these experiences are genuinely necessary in the world we've built, and the fact that we need them at all is evidence of how badly we've engineered our lives. Both things are true — they help, and we should never have needed them.The magic isn't the programming — it's the white space. The best retreats resist the urge to pack every hour, striking a deliberate balance between a bit of group inspiration and long stretches of solitude to digest it. The content you could get anywhere (even from ChatGPT); the conversation plus the room to reflect is what you're actually paying for.Arthur Brooks' distinction between complicated and complex problems reframes all of it. Complicated problems (how does a jet engine work, how do I hit a million in revenue) have answers, and tech is great at them. Complex problems — love, happiness, meaning — have no answer; the point is to keep searching. We've overdeveloped the brain that solves the first kind and let the other atrophy.Being bored and quiet isn't wasting time — it's where the neglected side of your brain finally gets to work. We smother it in "digital slop," listening to podcasts while folding laundry, terrified of an unoccupied minute. That compulsion is exactly what blocks the answers we're looking for.It's not up to you what you create — your job is to be open and notice. Bob showed up with rock-and-roll song ideas he'd planned in advance; the actual song only arrived once he disconnected and gave his mind space. The best material was sitting just under the surface of a busy life, waiting for room to surface.Peter Katz's mic-drop line: "That's not the real world. This is the real world." We pay to live intentionally for 3 days out of 365 and call the other 362 normal. Maybe the version of us that shows up in the woods — honest, brave, unapologetic — is the real one, and the job is to smuggle as much of it back as we can. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Waypoint Retreat: https://vienna-waits.com/retreat Heartstrings Retreat: https://heartstringsretreats.com/ The Meaning of Your Life, Arthur Brooks: https://www.arthurbrooks.com/the-meaning-of-your-life Play Me Some Elvis on YouTube: https://youtu.be/aNwCbPw9df0?si=81Z4ZAtkOT-yXFDr

    The Real Why Behind the Exploding Retreat Industry

  5. Jul 9

    Toxic Masculinity SOLVED with Greg Boyd

    Today Greg Boyd is back on the show, and this time we tried something different. Greg is a friend and cofounder of Vienna Waits with his wife Whitney, and if you've listened before you know our first conversation went to some deep, tearful places. This one uses a format I've been experimenting with: we each bring two topics, we don't share them ahead of time, we turn off the notifications, press record, and see what happens. It's vulnerable and a little terrifying, because I have no idea what someone's going to spring on me. That's exactly why I love it. We ended up covering songs that snap us back to another time and place, why men so often suck (and what we owe our kids as their fathers), the ugly, rarely-admitted feeling of not being happy when good things happen to people close to us, and Jim Collins' What to Make of a Life — the idea that you can only discover what you're built for through doing, never by being told. What struck me most is how these unscripted conversations keep circling back to the same core themes without either of us planning it.  Please enjoy, Greg Boyd. Key Takeaways A song can be permanently rewired by a single powerful experience, not just repeated listening. Greg's decades-long association with the Tragically Hip's "Bobcaygeon" was rewritten in one night by a musical that reframed it as an immigrant falling in love with Canada.On why men suck: separate nature from nurture. The nature side you can't control, but the nurture side often comes down to a lack of role models — men modelling the less-s****y behaviours we actually want our sons to carry forward.The bar for being a "good dad" is embarrassingly low ("80% is just showing up"), while the bar for moms is far higher — the invisible load moms carry that dads simply aren't expected to. Worth naming, because pretending otherwise perpetuates it.Greg's sharpest theory: men are as insecure as everyone else, but grow up in an environment where insecurity isn't allowed. Masking that insecurity with achievement is what produces a lot of "successful" men who still aren't good ones.Own the good in your kids. When Bob credited his wife for his sons' kindness, Greg pushed back — deflecting all the credit to your partner perpetuates the exact "no good role models" problem. Claim that kindness came from you too.The hard, honest one: sometimes we can't be happy for the people closest to us, and quietly feel better when things don't go their way. It's more common than anyone admits — and it's a signal, not a character flaw.That jealousy fades when you're "in frame." Once you get clarity on what you're actually built for, other people's success stops threatening you, because you're finally in your own lane instead of eyeing theirs.You can't think or plan your way to knowing what you're good at — you discover it through action. Which means being 55 and "stuck" doesn't mean you're limited; it means there are countless things you're gifted at that life just hasn't asked you to do yet.An app that tells you what to do with your life misses the entire point. The messiness of the search is the value — being handed the answer at 20 would rob you of ever truly believing it.Bob's answer to "what do you wish people said about you behind your back": he helps me see things in myself I didn't know were there, and he's a good dad. Greg's: he's kind. Both trace back to the same root — being someone whose work leaves good people in the world. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Vienna Waits - https://vienna-waits.com/ Vienna Waits on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/vienna_waits_studio/ Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregboyd-vienna-waits/ Waypoint Retreat 2026: https://vienna-waits.com/retreat

    Toxic Masculinity SOLVED with Greg Boyd

  6. Jun 23

    The Sub-Gen Problem: Why 2 People Born 5 Years Apart Aren't the Same GenZ with Will Giangrande

    Today we talk to Will Giangrande, founder of The NextGen Playbook and someone who has made it his mission to help bridge the gap between generations in the workplace. I met Will a little over a year ago, and despite being nearly the youngest person in the room, he struck me as an old soul. He's spent the last few years helping leaders better understand Gen Z, but what I loved most about this conversation is that he flips the usual script. Instead of a fifty-year-old HR professional explaining how to relate to younger workers, here's someone from inside that generation translating both directions — and refusing to point fingers about which generation has it figured out. We covered everything from dating apps and long-distance relationships to remote work, feedback, work-life boundaries, purpose, AI, and why a 25-year-old might already be wrestling with questions previous generations didn't start asking until midlife. More than anything, this conversation reminded me that most of the friction between generations comes from misunderstanding. We're all just products of the world we grew up in — and if we can stay curious and ask one more question, we usually find we have more in common than we think. Please enjoy, Will Giangrande. Key Takeaways Every generation has accused the one behind it of being lazy, entitled, and bound to ruin everything. Will literally collects these quotes and has audiences guess which era they're from — the complaints are ancient."Gen Z" isn't one group. Smartphones and COVID created sub-generations inside the label: someone who got a phone at 15 forms relationships differently than someone five years older, and where you were during the pandemic (17 or 22) changed everything.Most workplace tension is a projection problem. We assume the only upbringing we ever had — the way we learned to communicate and build relationships — is the "normal" way, and judge everyone else against it.Wanting feedback isn't neediness. In a remote setting, the hallway moments and quick door-knocks vanish, so mentorship has to be scheduled and asked for. That makes it look constant and formal when it's really just become visible.The work-life boundary fight isn't about laziness either — it's about control over time, not fewer hours. The 9-to-5 is an industrial-era leftover, and younger workers are the first to feel empowered to push back on it. Most of us never felt we could.Your first job becomes the baseline. Whatever you experience first — remote or in-person, one set of norms or another — quietly becomes the standard you judge every job after it against.Purpose is arriving early. The questions about meaning and balance that used to trigger a midlife crisis at 45 are now showing up in people's twenties — and with longer lives and AI reshaping work, careers are becoming less linear. Reinvention and curiosity may matter more than sticking to one path.We make sweeping claims about millions of people from a sample size of five. Social media magnifies the differences between us; honest conversation tends to shrink them.The simplest way to bridge the divide: stay curious and ask one more question. You never know where it leads. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources NextGen Playbook Website: https://thenextgenplaybook.com/ Will Giangrande on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-gian/ The Next Gen Playbook on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenextgenplaybook/ Will Giangrande on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WillNavigates20s

    The Sub-Gen Problem: Why 2 People Born 5 Years Apart Aren't the Same GenZ with Will Giangrande

  7. Jun 9

    What to Make of a Life in the Corporate Reckoning

    Welcome to another solo episode, this time on the collective midlife crisis we’re all going through and how to navigate it with the help of Jim Collins’ new book, What to Make of a Life. Lately, I’ve been having the same conversation over and over again with leaders, founders, and people in every stage of their careers. They’re successful on paper, but something feels off. The things that used to work don’t seem to work anymore, and there’s this growing sense that there has to be something more. In this episode, I share an idea I’ve been calling the “Corporate Reckoning” — the collision of COVID, AI, and economic uncertainty — and why so many of us feel like strangers in careers we’ve spent our lives building. And I talk about Jim’s new book that arrived at exactly the right moment, one that gave me language, hope, and a completely different way of thinking about what our best work might still look like. This one is deeply personal, a little messy, and very much a work in progress. Please enjoy. Key Takeaways: We’re living through a “Corporate Reckoning” — the combination of COVID, AI, and economic uncertainty has fundamentally changed how we work and what’s expected of us.Many people feel like strangers in careers they’ve spent decades building because the strengths that made them successful were designed for a world that no longer exists.The traditional career path our parents experienced is disappearing. Reinvention isn’t optional anymore — it’s becoming a normal part of modern life.Jim Collins’ concept of “encodings” suggests that each of us has unique, innate capabilities that are revealed through the experiences of life, and we have far more of them than we realize.Our best work may still lie ahead. Many of the people Collins studied discovered entirely new strengths and did their most meaningful work later in life.Being “in frame” means using the gifts that come most naturally to us. Being “out of frame” often creates the restlessness and dissatisfaction so many people are feeling today.Major events in our lives — what Collins calls “cliffs” — often force us to uncover strengths we never knew we had.Feeling lost, uncertain, or confused isn’t unusual. We all spend time in “the fog,” and recognizing that can make the experience feel a lot less lonely.Looking back at our stories can help us uncover patterns, strengths, and clues about what we’re uniquely meant to contribute.Curiosity may be one of the most important tools we have for building a bigger, more meaningful life. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Jim Collins’ What to Make of a Life: https://www.jimcollins.com/books.html

    What to Make of a Life in the Corporate Reckoning

  8. May 26

    Find Yourself Right Where You Are with Bea Zanatelli

    Today we talk to Beatriz Zanatelli — entrepreneur, founder, immigrant, and one of the most intentional people I know. Bea and I have known each other for years, but this conversation felt different.  It’s a perfect example of what can happen when people show up with genuine curiosity and no expectations about where it might lead. What came out of it was a conversation about identity, confidence, intuition, childhood insecurities, building a life in a new country, and the strange ways we slowly grow into ourselves over time. Bea shares the story behind her obsession with the CN Tower — which turned out to be way more emotional and meaningful than I expected — and we talk about the difference between following data versus following your gut when making big life decisions. This one felt deeply human. Vulnerable, funny, emotional at times… and honestly just a really beautiful conversation between two friends trying to figure life out in real time. Please enjoy, Beatriz Zanatelli. Key Takeaways: The things that make us feel different as kids often become the things we grow to love most about ourselves.Confidence isn’t having all the answers — true confidence is being comfortable saying “I don’t know.”Intuition can be just as powerful as data when making big life decisions. Sometimes your body knows before your brain catches up.The CN Tower became a symbol for Bea of possibility, belonging, and building the life she dreamed about for her family in Canada.Vulnerability and curiosity are the foundation of real trust and connection.Breaking generational patterns takes awareness, courage, and intentional choices over time.Purpose-driven work feels different — as Bea says, Smartgoos became “my soul in the shape of a business.”Most of us never fully “figure it out” — even later in life, there’s still uncertainty, insecurity, and constant growth. Connect with Bob Mathers Website LinkedIn Instagram  The Restless Leader Newsletter on Substack: https://bobmathers.substack.com/ Links & Resources Bea on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatrizzanatelli/ Bea on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beatrizzanatelli/ Smart Goose Academy: https://smartgooseacademy.com/

    Find Yourself Right Where You Are with Bea Zanatelli
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Listen to my conversations with the most interesting people you may not have come across yet. These conversations might not seem to have a lot in common at first. But just like songs on a mixtape, they create something memorable and emotional. So, let's press play and see what we learn about ourselves. I'm Bob Mathers, host of the Growth Mixtape podcast. I love chasing my curiosity; the further from my comfort zone, the better. Please join me for stories from leaders in business, the sciences, academia and the arts. I find the most powerful ideas, the ones that compel us to do bold things, happen by accident. It is these unexpected collisions that I’m excited to explore in this new podcast. These conversations always give me new insights I never would have gotten from other experts in my field. Every other week, join your host Bob Mathers, keynote speaker for conversations designed to push you out of your comfort zone. Each episode delivers boundless insights and ideas that matter by inspiring you to get off autopilot and keep chasing curiosity.

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