The Ketamine StartUp Podcast

Ketamine StartUp

Welcome to the Ketamine StartUp Podcast! This is the FIRST podcast dedicated to entrepreneurial medical professionals who want to learn more about providing ketamine therapy, run a business, marketing, and more. We are Sam and Kim Ko, two board certified physicians who have ventured into the ketamine therapy world. We’ve learned a lot of lessons, taught many clinicians like yourself, and luckily made a few friends along the way. In this podcast we share our experience and knowledge, plus that of the ketamine industry pioneers and leaders in our interviews. If you’re ready to boldly go where a few medical professionals have gone before, download and listen to our podcast today

  1. Episode 050 - Beyond Cookie-Cutter Protocols: Inna Zelikman's Comprehensive Approach to Ketamine and Psilocybin Therapy

    1D AGO

    Episode 050 - Beyond Cookie-Cutter Protocols: Inna Zelikman's Comprehensive Approach to Ketamine and Psilocybin Therapy

    What happens when a 20 year mental health veteran has her own existential crisis then undergoes her own psychedelic therapy? In Inna Zelikman's case, it completely transformed how she practices medicine. Inna Zelikman, RN, MS, ANP, PMH-NP, is the Director of Integrative Mental Health at Recovery Without Walls and a MAPS certified MDMA practitioner. Five years ago, her own psychedelic healing journey changed everything about how she sees and treats patients. Now she's challenging the cookie cutter protocols that dominate our field in favor of what she calls an "organic" approach to treatment. In this conversation, Inna shares her comprehensive patient assessment strategies, the medication categories that secretly block healing (even though they're not contraindications), and why some patients have profound psychedelic experiences but can still struggle. From consulting with psilocybin centers in Oregon to treating ketamine addiction, Inna offers a nuanced perspective on the complexities of psychedelic medicine and why proper preparation, support, and integration actually matter for lasting results. What You'll Learn: 🔹 Why doing your own healing work changes how you practice: Inna's personal journey and how it transformed her ability to truly see patient needs 🔹 Comprehensive assessment before treatment: evaluating family dynamics, support systems, and trajectory of care 🔹 The hidden medication barries: CNS depressants that don't contraindicate psychedelics but stall healing and integration 🔹 Set and setting beyond the treatment room: why the therapeutic container includes entire support systems 🔹 Real world psilocybin consulting: challenges and solutions for complex patients seeking therapy in Oregon 🔹 Psychedelics in recovery landscape - Understanding the historical bias in traditional recovery communities and emerging shifts toward acceptance of psychedelic therapy as legitimate treatment Key Takeaways: ・Healthcare providers who address their own trauma may provide more effective patient care ・Ketamine therapy dosed based on individual patient response could benefit patients who don't improve with standard twice-weekly protocols ・Sleeping pills and benzodiazepines may prevent psychedelic therapy success even when not contraindicated ・Patients may need 1-4 weeks of integration support during the neuroplasticity window for optimal results ・Comprehensive patient assessment including family dynamics and support systems may improve treatment outcomes ・Traditional recovery communities may be slowly shifting attitudes toward psychedelic therapy, though bias still exists against viewing these treatments as legitimate healing tools rather than drug substitution Episode 50 show notes: 00:00 Teaser - How Healing Informed Patient Care 00:28 Episode Introduction 02:16 What Drew Inna to Psychedelic Medicine 04:38 The Problems with Modern Psychiatry 07:38  Inna's Personal Transformation Story 11:53 The Hero's Journey to Healer's Journey 16:02  How Personal Healing Transformed Patient Care 17:08 Comprehensive Assessment Process 20:20 Beyond Cookie-Cutter Protocols 22:32 Ketamine Therapy Dosing Philosophy 26:00 Psilocybin Work and Vision Story 28:52 Oregon Psilocybin Industry Challenges 31:33 Set and Setting Beyond the Room 33:07 Patient Screening and Assessment Criteria 35:17 The Hidden Medication Problem 42:31 Managing Complicated Cases  49:33 Patient Examples 55:43 Psychedelics in Recovery and AA 1:00:04 Rapid Fire Personal Questions 1:03:18 Contact Information and Services 1:04:49 Closing Thoughts 1:05:56 Resources Thanks for listening 📋 Educational Disclaimer: Content for licensed healthcare professionals only. Does not constitute medical advice. Always consult qualified professionals for specific patient care decisions and regulatory requirements. Connect with Inna Zelikman RN, MS, ANP, PMH-NP: info@innazelikmanhealth.com www.innazelikmanhealth.com Recovery Without Walls 📝 Complete show notes with resources and  links, please visit www.ketaminestartup.com/podcast/episode-050 Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    1h 7m
  2. Episode 049 - Texas Medical Board Proposes Comprehensive Ketamine Therapy Regulations - What It Means for the Industry

    JAN 27

    Episode 049 - Texas Medical Board Proposes Comprehensive Ketamine Therapy Regulations - What It Means for the Industry

    We're breaking into our regular schedule with urgent news that affects everyone in the ketamine therapy space, not just Texas providers. On January 2, 2026, the Texas Medical Board published proposed regulations in the Texas Register that could fundamentally change how ketamine therapy is delivered in the state. These would be the first comprehensive regulatory rules specifically for ketamine therapy clinics in Texas, and honestly, they could set a precedent for nationwide regulation. Why should you care if you're not in Texas? Because Texas is the second most populous state with one of the largest medical communities in the country. When Texas moves on healthcare regulation, other states often follow. These proposed rules cover mandatory clinic registration, onsite physician requirements, enhanced monitoring standards, a complete ban on take home parenteral ketamine, and enforcement mechanisms that would put ketamine clinics under the same scrutiny as pain management clinics. What You'll Learn: 🔹 Mandatory PKT clinic registration requirements: what Texas providers need to know about the new registration process and renewal deadlines🔹 The onsite physician mandate: why remote supervision models would no longer be acceptable under these proposed rules🔹 Enhanced monitoring and training standards: new equipment requirements and airway management training mandates🔹 Complete ban on take home parenteral ketamine: how this would eliminate certain treatment models entirely🔹 National implications: why every ketamine provider should pay attention regardless of location Episode 49 show notes: 00:00 Teaser - Remote Supervision Is Over 00:20 Episode Introduction 02:55 Mandatory Registration Requirements 03:51 The Onsite Physician Requirement 04:42 Enhanced Training and Monitoring Standards 05:49 Documentation and Safety Protocols 06:37 Complete Ban on Take-Home Parenteral Ketamine 06:57 Enforcement Framework 07:14 What This Means for Texas Clinics 08:10 The Broader Industry Implications 09:16 The Access vs. Safety Tension 10:01 Who This Favors and Who It Challenges 10:34 Public Comment Opportunity 10:56 What You Should Do Now 11:38 Final Thoughts 12:42 Where To Get Further Information Thanks for listening Links Relevant To The Episode: Is Your Ketamine Clinic Ready? Texas Proposes Mandatory Registration and What It Means for the Industry includes a Quick Reference Table Texas Register January 2, 2026 Volume: 51 Number: 1 Texas Medical Board Rule Changes Chapter 173, Office-Based Anesthesia Services, Subchapter B, concerning Parenteral Ketamine Therapy, §§173.6-173.15. Comments on the proposed rules may be submitted online or via email Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀 Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    14 min
  3. Episode 048 - Does a Physician Need to Be Present During Ketamine Infusions?

    JAN 7

    Episode 048 - Does a Physician Need to Be Present During Ketamine Infusions?

    Welcome back to the Ketamine Startup Podcast! It's great to be back with you for our first new episode of 2026. After sharing a couple episodes from the vault in December, we are excited to dive back into fresh content. In this episode, we tackle the most frequently asked question we get: "Do I need to be present in the room during every ketamine infusion?" This isn't just about regulations. It's about balancing autonomy, patient safety, business scalability, and your personal values as you transition from traditional healthcare to private practice. We explore the complex regulatory landscape across different states, the tension between wanting professional freedom and providing exemplary patient care, and the practical considerations every clinic owner must navigate. We share our own philosophy and approach while acknowledging the legitimate business and personal factors that influence these critical decisions. What You'll Learn: ・The "loved one test" for making staffing decisions: a simple framework to determine your comfort level and standards ・State by state regulatory variations: why Texas, Utah, and California have different requirements and what that means for you ・The business reality of scaling vs. safety: how to balance growth aspirations with quality patient care ・Building reputation in a small community: why integrity matters more than short term profit in the ketamine field Episode 48 show notes: 00:00 Teaser - The most common question… 02:25 The "loved one test": What would you want for your family member receiving treatment? 04:23 Balancing autonomy vs. quality care: The tension clinicians face 06:32 Federal vs. state regulatory landscape: How regulations vary across different states 09:37 Scope of practice considerations and corporate practice of medicine laws 12:01 Philosophy behind practice decisions: What's right for you and your patients 13:28 Sam's approach: Why he's always present and recommends starting that way 16:56 Balancing physician wellbeing with high-quality patient care 19:26 State-specific research requirements: Medical board, legal, and insurance considerations 21:05 Malpractice insurance requirements and how they affect your practice decisions 23:03 Final recommendations: The decision framework based on your values 24:44 Closing thoughts: What would you want for your loved one? Thanks for listening Want to go deeper on some of these topics? Check out these related episodes: Episode 007 - Who Can Open A Ketamine Therapy Clinic? Episode 034 - Ketamine Clinic Insurance: Expert Insights with Canyon Clifton Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀 Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    27 min
  4. Episode 047 - What You Should Tell Your Ketamine Patients: 4 Things To Expect During Their Infusion (Episodes from the Vault)

    12/22/2025

    Episode 047 - What You Should Tell Your Ketamine Patients: 4 Things To Expect During Their Infusion (Episodes from the Vault)

    We're continuing our holiday break from regularly scheduled programming to bring you another foundational resource: the patient communication strategies that transform ketamine therapy from a clinical procedure into a truly healing experience. This episode originally came from one of our mastermind sessions with students from our Ketamine Startup 101 course, where we dove deep into patient preparation and emotional safety protocols. It's become one of our most popular episodes.. Whether you're building a ketamine practice, looking to elevate your current patient communication, or trying to understand what separates exceptional clinics from those that simply provide treatment, this episode gives you the complete framework.  This is part of our "Episodes from the Vault" series, bringing back content that continues to serve as the go-to resource for healthcare providers focused on patient experience excellence.  For those who may recall, this was originally released as Episode 33. The mastermind format allowed us to go deep on each communication strategy while keeping everything immediately actionable for real-world implementation. This episode is especially valuable if you're training staff members, standardizing patient communication protocols, or seeking to create the kind of trust and safety that enables true therapeutic transformation. The strategies we share bridge clinical excellence with emotional intelligence which is exactly what ketamine therapy demands. What You'll Learn in This Episode  • The four essential communications every ketamine patient needs before treatment • Specific language and techniques for normalizing anxiety and fostering trust • How to prepare patients for non-ordinary experiences while ensuring emotional safety Episode 47 show notes: 00:00 Teaser - Why presence matters 00:49 Episode introduction  01:59 The Patient Communication Framework - The four essential things patients need to know and why therapeutic experience begins before treatment 06:14 #1: Feeling Nervous is Normal - Acknowledging patient anxiety, pre-framing concepts, and diving board metaphor for first treatments 10:59 #2: They May See, Feel, or Realize Big Things - Preparing patients for non-ordinary states of consciousness and ensuring they understand experiences will end 15:08 #3: Physical Sensations May Happen - Managing nausea, dizziness, and physical side effects with proactive medical interventions 17:31 #4: Emotional Releases Are Possible - Creating safe space for tears, anger, and grief while normalizing emotional expression 27:31 Practical Implementation Tips - Team training strategies, consistent language protocols, and creating emotionally safe clinical environments 30:19 Episode wrap-up Selected Links From the Episode: This book link in these show notes is an Amazon affiliate link. If you purchase through these links, we may earn a small commission at no additional cost to you. 📗Book mentioned  - Never Split The Difference by Chris Voss  If you’re interested in learning more about creating a healing and therapeutic space definitely check out these other episodes: • Episode 20 - Unlocking Transformation: Exploring Set, Setting, and Integration in Ketamine Therapy • Episode 9 - Healing Journeys: Ayahuasca, Ketamine Therapy, & Spirituality With Dr. Joe Tafur Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and is not intended as medical or business advice. Always consult with qualified professionals for your specific situation.

    32 min
  5. Episode 046 - The Clinician's Guide to Ketamine Therapy (Episodes from the Vault)

    12/09/2025

    Episode 046 - The Clinician's Guide to Ketamine Therapy (Episodes from the Vault)

    We're taking a break from our regularly scheduled programming for the holidays to bring you something a bit different: a foundational episode that covers everything you need to know about ketamine therapy in one comprehensive resource. Sam originally delivered this presentation to the UCLA and Betty Ford Addiction Medicine Fellowship, and it's become one of those episodes that medical professionals, curious physicians, and anyone seriously exploring this field have come back to. It covers ketamine's complete story, from its fascinating medical history to current research and real-world implementation protocols. Whether you're considering ketamine therapy for your own practice, trying to understand this rapidly evolving field, or just want a solid clinical foundation, this is your starting point. We bridge the gap between academic research and practical clinical application, breaking down complex pharmacology and patient selection in a way that's actually accessible. This is part of our "Episodes from the Vault" series, bringing back content that continues to serve as a go-to resource for healthcare providers across specialties. For those who may recall, this was originally released as Episode 31. The presentation format lets us go deep on each topic while keeping everything practically relevant for actual clinical decision-making. This episode is especially valuable if you're evaluating ketamine therapy integration, seeking to understand the evidence base, or looking to enhance your patient education and staff training. What You'll Learn in This Episode ・Ketamine's journey from battlefield anesthetic to breakthrough mental health treatment ・Evidence-based mechanisms of action and clinical research findings ・Practical patient selection criteria, dosing protocols, and safety considerations for clinical practice Episode 46 show notes: 00:00 - Teaser - Mental health crisis statistics and ketamine's role 00:27 - Introduction to Episodes from the Vault series 01:19 - Sam's presentation introduction and off-label use disclosure 01:52 - Presentation Overview: Three-part structure: mental health/history, mechanisms/studies, patient selection/protocols 02:19 - Part 1: Current State of Mental Health - Depression, PTSD, anxiety statistics and the need for ketamine therapy 04:07 - The Need for More Treatment Options: Healthcare arsenal expansion with ketamine 04:20 - A Brief History of Ketamine: From phencyclidine to FDA approval and Vietnam War battlefield use 09:36 - Part 2: How Ketamine Works - NMDA receptor mechanisms and neuroplasticity effects 12:11 - Types of Patient Ketamine Experiences: Four levels of non-ordinary states of consciousness 14:49 - A Review of Scientific Studies: Yale study through recent research and meta-analyses 22:43 - Part 3: Ideal Patient Selection, Dosing & Scheduling: Contraindications, protocols, and safety considerations 32:33 - Episode wrap-up with YouTube resources, and more Thanks for listening Selected Related Links: ・For original Youtube version featuring slides during the presentation, go to https://youtu.be/u9XOQ2xnwsg ・For references and studies mentioned in this episode, go to www.ketaminestartup.com/podcast/episode-046 Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    35 min
  6. Episode 045 - From Emergency Medicine to Psychospiritual Healing: Dr. Randy Frederick's Ketamine Clinic Journey

    11/24/2025

    Episode 045 - From Emergency Medicine to Psychospiritual Healing: Dr. Randy Frederick's Ketamine Clinic Journey

    Dr. Randy Frederick isn't your typical ketamine provider. As a former military flight surgeon and EM physician, he's spent nearly several years developing a "psychospiritual" approach to ketamine therapy. And his perspective challenges a lot of the conventional thinking in this field. In this conversation, Randy shares his evolution from following traditional clinical protocols to building something completely different. He talks openly about viewing ketamine as a catalyst rather than a cure, and why that distinction fundamentally changes how he works with patients. What makes this episode different? Randy doesn't just talk theory. He shares his own transformation journey. From losing his spiritual connection in college to rediscovering it through his own healing work, he's transparent about how his personal growth directly shapes the way he cares for patients. His focus on mind-body-spirit integration and helping patients reconfigure their relationship with their own minds comes from lived experience, not just clinical training. What You'll Learn in This Episode ・ Why ketamine should be viewed as a catalyst, not a cure and how that philosophy changes everything about treatment ・ The real challenges and rewards of transitioning from physician employee to clinic owner ・ How meditation and awareness practices actually complement ketamine therapy Episode 45 show notes: 00:00 - Teaser - Ketamine is not a cure… 00:28 - Episode introduction 01:43 - Welcome Dr. Frederick to the show 02:30 - Dr. Frederick’s background: ER medicine, social media discovery moment, initial research phase 05:20 - The stories that convinced Dr. Frederick: patient transformations and life-saving impact 08:00 - Dr. Frederick’s evolution from clinical to psychospiritual approach over the years 12:00 - Why ketamine is a facilitator/catalyst, not a cure - the consciousness perspective 16:30 - Dr. Frederick’s personal spiritual journey: losing faith in college, rediscovering spirituality 19:30 - Military background: Navy flight surgeon, Iraq deployment, veteran mental health insights 22:30 - The broader psychedelic landscape: psilocybin, MDMA, stakeholder challenges 26:30 - Harvard Law School psychedelic summit and Zero L course experience 29:30 - Reality of clinic ownership: wearing many hats, constant challenges, HR difficulties 34:30 - The five types of wealth: choosing time and lifestyle over maximum income 37:30 - Bombing story discussion, perspective shifts, and choosing growth over victimhood 42:00 - Mind-body-spirit integration: ego dissolution, mindfulness practice, meditation 49:00 - Advice for aspiring clinic owners: having your why, mentorship, team building 50:30 - Rapid fire questions: desert island choices, relaxation rituals, hidden talents 57:00 - Contact information and closing remarks Thanks for listening Connect with Dr. Frederick at: Website Instagram Meta Selected Links From the Episode:  These book links in these show notes are Amazon affiliate links. If you purchase through these links, we may earn a small commission at no additional cost to you. 📗 The 5 Types of Wealth: A Transformative Guide to Design Your Dream Life by Sahil Bloom    📘 Being Ram Dass by Ram Dass Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    1h 2m
  7. Episode 044 - Building a Trauma-Informed Ketamine Practice with Dr. Jack Hay & Dr. Harry Pepper

    11/12/2025

    Episode 044 - Building a Trauma-Informed Ketamine Practice with Dr. Jack Hay & Dr. Harry Pepper

    What happens when an ER physician and a psychologist both hit burnout at the same time? In Dr. Jack Hay and Dr. Harry Pepper's case, they decided to build something different together. In this episode, Dr. Hay and Dr. Pepper share the real story behind opening Oberlin Ketamine Clinic in Ohio. Including their unique physician-psychologist partnership model, how they've made personalized music a core part of their ketamine therapy approach, and why they're so intentional about trauma-informed care. This isn't a polished success story. They walk us through their first-year challenges, the difference between integration coaching and traditional therapy (and why that distinction matters), and their philosophy of empowering patients to choose their own music playlists instead of prescribing one-size-fits-all soundtracks. What really stood out? How they've built their practice around their core values instead of just copying what other clinics are doing. What you’ll gain 🔹 How to maintain passion, patience, and perseverance through inevitable obstacles 🔹 Simple techniques that create profound patient experiences (whiteboard intentions, personalized playlists) 🔹 How to distinguish between coaching and therapy in integration work  Episode 44 show notes: 00:00 - Teaser - A shamanic transfer of energy 00:26 - Episode Introduction 02:30 - Dr. Hay's background: Emergency medicine to ketamine therapy journey, COVID burnout experience 05:20 - Dr. Pepper's background: 30 years in psychology, psychedelic therapy insights 08:45 - Pivotal moments: Dr. Pepper's continuing education revelation and personal experience with long COVID 12:15 - Dr. Hay's decision point: Leaving ED directorship, timing with Harry's proposal 15:30 - Major obstacles faced: Timeline underestimation, patient education challenges, Midwest ketamine awareness 21:40 - Safety protocols and patient process: First contact approach, trauma-informed care, continuous monitoring 26:50 - Integration coaching philosophy: Present-moment forward orientation vs traditional therapy 32:20 - Music curation innovation: Challenging conventional wisdom, personalized playlists, patient choice 40:30 - Intention setting technique: Colored whiteboard process, embodiment practices 44:15 - Advice for new clinicians: Dr. Hay's "Three P's" - passion, patience, perseverance 47:30 - Dr. Pepper's advice: Don't give up, staying connected to values during challenges 50:45 - Personal questions begin: Desert island books/movies/food 56:20 - Hidden talents: Dr. Pepper's music performance background, Dr. Hay's artistic abilities 1:00:30 - Time travel question: Future space exploration vs MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech 1:02:45 - Contact information and closing remarks Thanks for listening Connect with Dr. Hay and Dr. Pepper at: Oberlin Ketamine Website Instagram Meta Infinite Leadership Selected Links From the Episode: These book links in these show notes are Amazon affiliate links. If you purchase through these links, we may earn a small commission at no additional cost to you. 📕The Elevated Leader: Level Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development by Ryan Gottfredson 📗The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk 📘You Are Enough: Revealing the Soul to Discover Your Power, Potential, and Possibility by Panache Desai 🎶Explore more about music in Episode 032 - Music & Psychedelic Therapy: A Conversation with Author Steve Gelberg Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    1h 7m
  8. Episode 043 - What Licenses Do You Need to Open a Ketamine Clinic?

    10/28/2025

    Episode 043 - What Licenses Do You Need to Open a Ketamine Clinic?

    Remember when you were a hospital employee and licensing was just... someone else's problem? Yeah, those days are over. When you open a ketamine clinic, you're suddenly responsible for every license, permit, and regulatory checkbox that used to magically get handled by administrators. And here's the thing, get this stuff wrong and you can expect delays. In this episode, we break down the exact licenses and permits you need to open a ketamine clinic, the specific order to tackle them (yes, order matters), and why trying to DIY this process is a terrible idea. We share what we learned opening Reset Ketamine in Southern California plus insights from helping dozens of physicians navigate licensing requirements across different states. Because here's what we've learned: every state is different, and the details matter more than you think. What You'll Learn in This Episode: ・The medical licenses you probably already have - and why you might need a second DEA license ・Business permits that confuse physicians - FNP vs DBA and when you can skip them ・The order of operations - 10 sequential steps that prevent costly delays ・Why AI and Google aren't enough - the critical role of state-specific professional guidance Episode 43 show notes: 00:00 Teaser - The DEA License Address Rule 00:30 Episode Introduction 01:42 Why You Need Professional Guidance 03:48 Active Medical License & NPI 04:50 DEA License: The Tricky One 07:03 Order of Operation - The Foundation: Entity & Location 09:11 City Business License 10:22 Fictitious Name Permit (FNP) 12:33 DBA (Doing Business As) 15:27 EIN (Employer Identification Number) 16:39 Summary: The Complete Order of Operations 17:28 Key Takeaways & Closing Advice 18:30 The Medical Consult Analogy 20:50 Closing & Resources Thanks for listening Selected Links From the Episode: Get your DEA related questions answered in Episode 023 - Mastering Clinic Compliance: Insights from Retired DEA Agent Dennis Wichern Follow us on Linkedin Ketamine StartUp Website YouTube 🚀 Want to fast track launching your ketamine clinic? If so, download our free checklist.

    22 min
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Welcome to the Ketamine StartUp Podcast! This is the FIRST podcast dedicated to entrepreneurial medical professionals who want to learn more about providing ketamine therapy, run a business, marketing, and more. We are Sam and Kim Ko, two board certified physicians who have ventured into the ketamine therapy world. We’ve learned a lot of lessons, taught many clinicians like yourself, and luckily made a few friends along the way. In this podcast we share our experience and knowledge, plus that of the ketamine industry pioneers and leaders in our interviews. If you’re ready to boldly go where a few medical professionals have gone before, download and listen to our podcast today

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