What begins as a freewheeling DeProgram Q&A turns into one of the most heated debates Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas and Robby West have had on the show. Are people born gay, or is sexuality ultimately subject to human choice? Ted and Jamarl challenge Robby's Christian argument head-on, asking why heterosexual attraction should be considered innate while homosexual attraction is treated differently. Robby argues that human beings have agency over their actions and that Christianity explicitly calls believers to resist their urges, “put off the old man,” and choose how they live. Ted and Jamarl push back, arguing that sexual attraction itself isn't chosen—and that demanding gay people deny their sexuality confuses attraction with action. The argument expands into biology, evolution, culture, free will, natural law, homosexuality in the animal kingdom, religion and the question of whether people can—or should—deny deeply rooted desires. Then the conversation takes another turn into Christian Zionism and biblical prophecy. Why do many evangelical Christians believe the modern state of Israel must exist before Jesus can return? Where does the belief in a rebuilt Third Temple come from? Robby challenges dispensationalist theology, discusses the Scofield Reference Bible, the Antichrist, the destruction of Jerusalem, Revelation and why he believes Christian Zionists are imposing an interpretation onto scripture that the Bible itself doesn't require. Along the way, the guys also get into Tucker Carlson's political manifesto, American foreign policy, immigration, poverty, food and Type 2 diabetes, the nature of sin—and somehow an extended discussion about incest, threesomes and used underwear. Yeah. This one went completely off the rails. DeProgram with Ted Rall, Jamarl Thomas & Robby West. Catch our entire lineup of shows featuring hosts like Jeff Dornik, Shannon Joy, Ann Vandersteel, Patrick Howley, Ted Rall and Dr Michael Scheuer on Rumble, X and your favorite podcast platform. Pickax is the primary home for Freedom First Network, so be sure to sign up for Pickax, and then follow and subscribe to FFN: https://pickax.com/freedomfirstnetwork
