Think about the last time you tried to calm your child down and it went sideways. Maybe you crouched down and said, in your most measured voice, “Let’s take some deep breaths together,” and your child screamed louder. Maybe you tried every tool you’ve collected, and the meltdown grew anyway, and underneath your patience you could feel your own frustration rising. And afterward, did you find yourself wondering what you were doing wrong? Have you ever noticed that the things you know perfectly well when everyone is calm seem to vanish the moment your child falls apart? My guest this week knows that feeling from the inside, and her story surprised me. Jamie Lynn Tatera was already a mindfulness educator when her first daughter was born. Her daughter was a little sensory sensitive, and she had meltdowns whenever she got overloaded. So Jamie Lynn did exactly what her training told her to do. She used her mindfulness techniques. She helped her breathe. And she felt like she was making things worse. So she went to see a therapist, thinking that maybe something from her own childhood was getting in the way of her parenting. Her therapist listened, and then said something Jamie Lynn wasn’t expecting: “I think you need self-compassion.” That sent her to California to train with Dr. Kristin Neff and Dr. Christopher Germer, the creators of the Mindful Self-Compassion program. And what she found there wasn’t a better technique for her daughter. It was something about herself. As she put it, she had a fix-it habit. When she was struggling, she would try to fix herself, to make herself better with all the tools she knew. Nothing wrong with those tools. But she had no practice with the other half. In her words: “I wasn’t so skilled at being with myself when I struggled. And therefore I was not so skilled at being with my daughter when she struggled.” Sit with that one for a second, because I did. Our kids don’t only need our strategies. They need us to be able to stay present with something hard without rushing to make it stop. And most of us can’t do that for our children because we’ve never once done it for ourselves. In our conversation, Jamie Lynn goes much deeper than I expected, and honestly, a few moments landed hard for me: * Why perfectionism in parenting comes from shame, and what that means for those of us who are trying so hard to do this right that we’ve made ourselves anxious. * Why she stopped calling it the inner critic when she works with families and started calling it “the unhelpful helper,” and what changes when you hear that voice and think, “I must be scared,” instead of believing what it says. * The two sides of self-compassion, the gentle and the strong, and why having only one leaves you off balance. * What happens in a child’s mind when a parent can’t show up consistently, and why children so often conclude that something is wrong with them rather than something is wrong with their parent. This part connects directly to how shame travels down through generations. * What to actually say to your child on the days your best is, in her words, two thumbs down. She gives the exact words she uses with her own kids, and they include the sentence most of us never heard growing up. * Why she says that when shame really has hold of her, she doesn’t try to practice self-compassion alone. She phones a friend. And why that counts. And her answer to the question I asked near the end, about the legacy we received and the legacy we’re choosing to leave. She also mentions that after more than a decade of teaching this work, she hasn’t mastered it. “If I start to think I’ve mastered it, I probably am losing it,” she told me, “because part of self-compassion is that I’m on the learning team.” That might be my favorite thing anyone has said on this podcast. Listen to the full conversation here. It’s worth your walk, your commute, or your folding-laundry hour. And if you’ve ever felt like you know exactly the parent you want to be and can’t quite reach her when it counts, I think you’ll hear yourself in this one. Jamie Lynn also shared a free resource with our listeners, her Feelings Habit Animal quiz, which you and your kids can take together. The quiz comes from Jamie’s Mindfulness and Self-Compassion Workbook for Kids, which my kids and I would highly recommend! Super fun read with lots of animal friends represented in the framework of self compassion! My kids and I also took Jamie’s course for Kids and Families on self compassion and my kids loved it! Want to go deeper than one conversation? Everything Jamie Lynn and I talked about in this episode comes back to one thing: knowing about self-compassion and being able to reach for it when you’re flooded, ashamed, or exhausted are two different experiences. The first one takes an hour of listening. The second one takes practice. That’s exactly why I trained to teach Mindful Self-Compassion, and I’m hosting a free live session where we’ll look at this together. Free Info Session: The Voice Your Child Will Carry for LifeWednesday, September 30th at 12pm CT/1pm ETWith me and my co-teacher, Ariane Arpels- Josiah In about an hour, I’ll walk you through the three parts of self-compassion and why most of us have only ever tried one of them, the reason being hard on yourself makes the next hard moment harder instead of easier, and what your child is quietly learning from the way you treat yourself when you fall short. We’ll do one short practice together so you can feel what this is like, and I’ll share the details of my upcoming 8-week Mindful Self-Compassion course for anyone who wants to keep going. No meditation experience needed. Bring your coffee and your questions. This is a public episode. 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