Yesterday, Patrick Abbott, Sci-Fi Author got a number of us Substackers and C.S. Lewis aficionados together to chat about what makes Lewis and his works so significant, appealing, and influential. It was a fun conversation! He also let us ramble a little about our Substacks and what we’re doing, which was appreciated. To go see the whole of the video, check out his post here. Since Patrick was kind enough to give us all access to the raw footage, I thought I’d try doing something different with the video. I’d heard that AI could be used to edit video, but hadn’t tried it yet, so I fired up Sol-6 Max in OpenAI’s Codex and gave it the following prompt: So, I’ve heard you can edit video. Can you analyze this video, then remix it focussing only on content directly about C.S. Lewis (each of us rambles on about a number of other topics, including our blogs), creating a coherent short video that’s about half-an-hour long? I also asked the AI to zoom in on each speaker. The cut above is the result, best not played full-screen, since zooming in on one of five speakers in a 720p video is a bit of a pixellated mess in full HD! (Which is the fault of the technology and my own editorial direction, in this case, not AI’s!) Overall, I’m impressed. Words are occasionally kind of cut off, and at the very end the AI misses a switch to the last speaker, but since I hate how finicky and time-consuming video-editing is, I’m generally happy with the result. Especially give how well it did at identifying and switching speakers and at picking out and stitching together our thoughts on C.S. Lewis into a coherent whole. You should, of course, go and watch the original, but, in case you don’t, here’s the line-up, the links to our Substacks, and the transcription of the above edit. (Oh, and one of the bits that the AI cut was the bit where I talk about C.S. Lewis and poetry and how Lewis’ approach to poetry inspired some of the poetry in my book, My Heart Leaps Up. All the more reason to go watch the original!) The Panelists Patrick Abbott, Sci-Fi Author, host, Sci-Fi author, moderator, and chimer-inFr. Justin (Edward) Hewlett (me!), Orthodox priest and Substacker at GeekOrthodoxStuart D. Brooks, Substacker at 𝐒𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐖𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 John Paul Hare Substacker at Ruminations and ReflectionsEric M. Hamilton, author, Substacker at Pyrite Dreams The AI-Edited Transcript Introductions Patrick Abbott: Hello, I’m Patrick Abbott. I’m a sci-fi author at patrickabbott.net. Today we have a panel talking about C.S. Lewis and Narnia. But above all else, I’m a huge fan of C.S. Lewis, his messages, his morals, and the great stories that he has told in fiction. And I wanted to get together a great panel of people to discuss Lewis and his impact on them, as well as some of the stories Lewis has told, and what they want to focus on about Lewis. So enough about me, I want to introduce some of the other people who will talk about themselves briefly, and tell us why this conversation is going to be interesting. Eric, can you kick us off? Eric M. Hamilton: Sure. So I am Eric M. Hamilton. I am an author. But I am working on a fairy-tale-like book that at least is in part inspired by C.S. Lewis. And yeah, C.S. Lewis, I’m sure we’ll talk about it more, but C.S. Lewis has had a profound effect on my life and my spiritual journey and also my writing journey. So I’m very much looking forward to talking about C.S. Lewis with everyone. Stuart: Hello, of course. My name is Stuart. I love beauty and poetry, and I love art and whatnot. I’m specifically in love with nature and story. And those are two things which I see God showing himself in a very woven-tapestry-like way. I’m an Orthodox Christian, just a layman, but here I am. John Paul Hare: My name is John Paul Hare. I majored in philosophy in college and I had the great privilege of studying C.S. Lewis for a semester as one of my electives in my senior year of college, excuse me. And that was a thoroughly enjoyable course, especially after growing up having Lewis read to me by my mother at first and then going on and reading him myself as I got older. So his writing means a lot to me. It’s definitely helped me develop my faith life and has had a profound impact on how I see and relate to our Lord. Father Justin: I’m Father Justin. I’m an Orthodox Christian priest. Yeah, C.S. Lewis is huge for me. I would say that the two writings that kept me Christian as I was starting to come into my own and think about what I actually believed were probably the Gospel of John and C.S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity. And then I love the Narnian Chronicles. I love the sci-fi trilogy. I’ve read most of his work. There are a few scholarly works that I haven’t managed to finish yet. And I often say that while Lewis didn’t make me Orthodox, he made it possible for me to become Orthodox, partly because he did such a great job of rooting and grounding himself in that common Christian tradition that is part of all of our heritage. Narnia Patrick Abbott: Agreed. And just having this panel of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants on together, we got a good trifecta going on. So we can explore it from all angles. And I want to kick things off. The thing that really brought us together at least gave me the idea to give this call out was Netflix’s interpretation of Narnia. And just what we’ve seen about it isn’t really positive for us as C.S. Lewis fans. So I want to throw this question out for anybody who wants it. And then once you’re done, other people can jump on and add their own thoughts or address what you say. What about Narnia sticks with us? And what makes us so passionate about these tales? I think I’ve got an answer for that, or at least my answer for that. Stuart: What about C.S. Lewis sticks with us? When I read Narnia, it doesn’t cause me to escape from this world in the normal sense. It’s more like it causes me to escape deeper into this world, not all the way to another one. You go to Narnia, but you find that Narnia is like where we are in certain ways. It’s not a place that you go to to leave this world, but you come back to the world after going to this marvelous place. And you look around and you think, well, it’s all just about as marvelous as the stuff that I just read. And it brightens the inner life to an appropriate degree, not as though to convince us that Christianity is cool, but to grow up inside of us, the reality that it actually is, that this other world is something that we’re participating in in a very strange way, in a wonderful way, I’d say. I could go on, but I think that’s what I’ve got to say for now. Eric M. Hamilton: So Patrick, I’ve been thinking about this, and maybe some other people can, because I’ve seen specifically related to the Netflix adaptation. Some people will say, “Oh, well, it’s just a fantasy book.” And when you make adaptations about fantasy books, movies do this all the time. And I think maybe in part, and this might get to kind of what Stuart’s talking about, is that there’s something that’s underlying Narnia that’s more than just a fun fantasy story. And I think that that might all be rooted in that it’s not really fantasy. It’s a fairy tale, as Lewis like, sets out and says that it is. And one of the things, and I think maybe this is also another thing, is that the older I get, the more, like, C.S. Lewis kind of implies, the more I appreciate fairy tales, because I think that is the fairy tales, even though they’re fantastic in their world that’s different than our own, they’re meant to tell us something about the real world. They’re meant to warn us, they’re meant to make us notice things. And that is like the big thing about Narnia, and Aslan, but also all the other things that are in Narnia. It’s when you start to see the way in which Narnia maps on to the world, the real world, as it is, then you become more appreciative of it. And I think maybe that’s why when changes are made to something like Narnia, that’s a little bit more bristling to people who read it, because then you’re kind of, if you change Narnia, then in some ways, maybe you’re either not respecting that connection between fairy tales and the real world, or you have a completely different understanding of what the world is than what C.S. Lewis wrote. Father Justin: Lewis is deliberately writing not only in a fairy-tale register but also in a kind of medieval register that comes out most in Prince Caspian, of course, but he and Tolkien essentially established the modern genre of fantasy, and did so with harkening back to the Middle Ages for a reason, because it was at that point, there was an integration between faith and the real world, so to speak, that got disrupted by the rise of modern science, and by this scientific materialist worldview, that then posits that the supernatural is something separate, whereas what Lewis talks about in The Abolition of Man is that science and magic actually grew up together. They were both instincts of ours to control the world through some sort of technique or methodology combined with our understanding of the world, but there was no assumption that there was, OK, there’s the material world, and that’s safe, and there’s the supernatural world, and that’s unsafe. No, it’s like the understanding was, the medieval understanding was, of course, we are physical and spiritual beings, and that, I think, is why so many reading Lewis and Tolkien are calling for a kind of re-enchantment, and one of the concerns, I think, that we have when people just decide to use Lewis for their own ends is they’re probably not going to get that. I mean, I’m reserving judgment a little bit, not super optimistic, but they’re probably not going to get that. They’re probably coming at it from a, “Oh, isn’t this a ni