Rich reckons testers and QEs are the best positioned engineers of the next few years. Vern's question is whether a market that knows exactly what it wants also knows what it needs. Tell us which of us you think is closer, and why. If you violently agree or violently disagree, definitely tell us. Questions, comments, concerns, corrections, all of it is welcome, and the more of you who share what is actually happening where you work, the better a picture the rest of us get. Drop a comment on the post, drop a comment on the video, or come and find us on LinkedIn. And if you got something out of this one, like it, subscribe, and send it to the person you were arguing with about this last week. Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod: 03:34 and 11:33 - Rich's LinkedIn post, the one this whole episode is built onRich's LinkedInRich's website26:09 - Vern's newsletter, Yeah, But Does It Work?30:02 and 37:52 - Steven DevonportSteve's comment on the post, and his follow up question about whether visibility and transparency are the currencies we should be spending35:17 - Exploratory data analysis40:28 - Huib Schoots40:46 - Keith KlainKeith's blog, Quality Remarks43:21 - Oracles and Evals46:59 - If you’re wondering the term “The Fat Controller” comes from, here’s the Wikipedia entry for Sir Topham Hatt49:51 - Rashik PrasadRashik's comment about wearing more hats50:58 - ELT stands for Executive Leadership Team aka The C-Suite. SLT is the Senior Leadership Team, the layer below55:26 - Jason SmithJason's comment about responsibility being distributed while accountability is not58:10 - The episode where we talked about quality coaches and specialists being distributed across teams1:00:48 - James Thomas, friend of the podJames's blog1:04:23 - Episode 34, 6 AI Tool Ideas That Will Transform How You Test, where tool idea #1 is the LLM that reads your tickets for you1:09:27 - The jagged frontierHelen Toner’s article Taking Jaggedness Seriously where I first heard the termThe paper where Ethan Mollick coined the termVernon Richards and Richard Bradshaw on the showThe Vernon Richard Show on LinkedIn and YouTube00:00 - Intro01:31 - ⚽️ Fresh World Cup wounds and new specs03:34 - Careful what you shout from the rooftops06:25 - The market is being very clear about what it wants08:11 - Wanting vs needing10:50 - Nobody enjoys writing test cases. Turns out that was practice11:33 - The post, read out in full13:38 - Rich joined that project as the AI QA and then…15:50 - Building an agent felt suspiciously familiar17:17 - "It's not my work": testing what the agent wrote18:23 - Some engineers have not adapted, and it is not a skills problem20:10 - The person on the project who found more bugs than Rich did22:20 - "I don't know what a dedicated QA would have done"24:09 - Two job numbers heading in opposite directions26:09 - More code, more surface area: the maths from Vern's newsletter28:06 - Why the model swore blind that Finnish was not on the list30:02 - Steven Devonport takes issue with the word evolving32:16 - Rich reckons most of the AI testing problem is old news35:17 - The AI crowd reinvented exploratory testing and gave it another name37:52 - Steve's tangent: which currency should we be spending?42:46 - When 70/30 drifts to 55/45, who makes the call?43:21 - We used to be handed our oracles45:28 - Vern's problem with calling it a black box46:59 - The Fat Controller heuristic (and his new name)48:56 - The prompt was still asking for values that no longer existed49:51 - Rashik Prasad: if everyone owns quality, who holds its shape?50:58 - What an AI first mandate actually does to a company52:45 - Everyone has hold of a different part of the elephant55:26 - Jason Smith: responsibility travels, accountability stays put56:29 - Four or five people changes more than you would think59:09 - Your pod is not the only pod1:01:12 - Responsible for the outcome, allowed to decide nothing1:02:46 - Ten factories became a hundred1:04:48 - The standards check nobody could build until now1:05:28 - Vern remembers what everyone did to the linters1:09:33 - Mostly right, most of the time, and the trap inside that1:10:46 - Why Rich is excited anyway1:12:05 - The market wants what it wants1:12:43 - Wrap up
