Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast

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Welcome to "Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast," brought to you by Evisort. In this podcast, we explore the transformative world of legal AI, focusing on the innovative intersection of law, business, and technology. Join our hosts, Hal and Memme, as they engage with industry leaders, legal experts, and tech visionaries to uncover the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities in contract management and AI-driven legal solutions. Whether you're a legal professional, business leader, or tech enthusiast, our discussions aim to enlighten, inspire, and empower you with practical insights and strategies for navigating the future of contracts in the digital age. Tune in to stay ahead in the evolving landscape of legal AI and turn your contracts into strategic assets.

  1. May 4

    Tackling Tariffs Using Contract Intelligence, with Anthony Tacker of Flexgen

    What if your contracts could become a strategic asset instead of a bottleneck? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Anthony Tacker, Director of Procurement and Risk at FlexGen, to explore how purpose-built legal AI is transforming contract management, accelerating deal cycles, and enabling smarter risk mitigation.  What You'll Learn: How to reduce contract analysis time from days to hours using purpose-built AI The key differences between generalized AI models and specialized legal AI and why it matters for risk and compliance Proven strategies for embedding tariff protections and adapting to shifting government policies How to structure an effective procurement-legal partnership for faster, more accurate outcomes Methods to identify and mitigate multi-party contract risks across large contract portfolios Why AI is enabling a shift from hourly billing to value-based pricing models in legal and procurement services About the Guest: Anthony Tacker is the Director of Procurement and Risk at FlexGen and an accomplished project management executive and business operations leader. With extensive experience managing complex, multi-million-dollar capital projects and service contracts, Anthony has built a reputation for driving operational excellence and delivering measurable business results. He has successfully led global teams and negotiated high-value, multi-year contracts across North America, Aruba, the Netherlands, and Venezuela, building strong relationships with top-tier heavy industry clients. Known for turning around underperforming operations, Anthony combines strategic vision with hands-on leadership to improve performance, mitigate risk, and accelerate growth. Episode Resources Anthony Tacker on LinkedIn FlexGen Website Workday Contract Management: Website Hal Marcus on LinkedIn: Hal Marcus Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn: Memme Onwudiwe Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.

    32 min
  2. The Strategic Evolution of Legal Ops with Olivier Plummer of Coinbase

    Apr 6

    The Strategic Evolution of Legal Ops with Olivier Plummer of Coinbase

    Legal teams are more than the firefighters of your organization. They can be the reason your business scales. In this episode of Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Olivier Plummer, Program Manager for Legal Technology and Operational Excellence at Coinbase, to explore how to leverage contract intelligence and AI agents to drive real business impact. What You'll Learn: How to balance centralized data governance with democratized AI innovation Why API and Model Context Protocol (MCP) integration is now non-negotiable The "Start Simple, Impact-Driven" framework for AI implementation How to position Legal Ops as a strategic thought partner, not a delivery function Why contract data is a multi-stakeholder goldmine  The critical importance of finding internal champions and managing tech debt About the Guest: Olivier Plummer is the Program Manager for Legal Technology and Operational Excellence at Coinbase, bringing deep expertise in contract intelligence, AI agents and enterprise legal management. With a background spanning marketing technology, entertainment and four years driving legal tech evolution at Coinbase, Olivier has become a thought leader in democratizing AI across legal departments. His work at Coinbase, including scaling contract management to handle 5,000+ agreements monthly and expanding contract analytics value across sales, finance and HR, demonstrates how AI transforms legal from a cost center into a competitive advantage. Episode Resources Olivier Plummer on LinkedIn: Olivier Plummer Coinbase Website Workday Contract Management: Website Hal Marcus on LinkedIn: Hal Marcus Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn: Memme Onwudiwe Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.

    42 min
  3. Building Agents & Removing Friction, with Kelly McCord of SimpliPhi

    Mar 3

    Building Agents & Removing Friction, with Kelly McCord of SimpliPhi

    Nothing is stopping your legal team from functioning like a high-performing business unit - except a lack of understanding and clarity on the real potential of AI. In this episode of Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Kelly McCord, Founder and Principal Consultant at SimpliPhi Management LLC and former head of legal operations at HSBC, to explore how to leverage AI and automation to transform legal workflows. What You'll Learn: How to cross-train multiple LLMs simultaneously to compound results Why legal ops professionals need baseline AI literacy, not deep technical expertise The practical framework for embedding legal earlier in business decisions How to build AI agents with guardrails that automate routine work while preserving human control The skill-building path to AI competency in legal operations How to reduce contract negotiation cycles from weeks to hours using agent-to-agent negotiations About the Guest: Kelly McCord is the Founder and Principal Consultant at SimpliPhi Management LLC, a legal operations consulting firm. With over 20 years of experience spanning engineering, business process consulting, financial services, and legal operations (including her role as Head of Legal Operations at HSBC), Kelly has become a pioneering voice in legal technology and AI implementation. Her work helping corporate legal teams integrate cutting-edge AI tools while maintaining quality human oversight makes her a leading voice for legal operations professionals seeking to modernize their functions and demonstrate clear value to the broader organization. Episode Resources Kelly McCord on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-m-mccord/ SimpliPhi Website: https://simpliphillc.com/ Workday Contract Management: https://www.workday.com/en-us/products/contract-management/overview.html Hal Marcus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/halmarcus/ Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/memmeonwudiwe/ Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.

    42 min
  4. Keeping Legal AI Real, with Alex Herrity of adidas

    Feb 2

    Keeping Legal AI Real, with Alex Herrity of adidas

    What if we’re chasing the wrong problem? As it turns out, it’s not so much about getting agents ready – it’s about getting ourselves ready to benefit from them. In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Alex Herrity, Legal Operations Leader at adidas, to explore the strategies and frameworks that unlock transformation and capability for legal teams in the long run. What You'll Learn:How to articulate what you actually want an AI agent to do before building or buying one Why simplifying processes before automating them is non-negotiable The difference between what legal leaders think happens vs. what actually happens operationally How to use AI as an intelligence tool to audit your own legal operations Why CLMs aren't going away and how they’re evolving How to shift from replacing lawyers to leveling up their work About the GuestAlex Herrity is a Legal Operations Leader at adidas with a unique background spanning both in-house counsel and legal technology innovation. Transitioning from commercial law into legal ops around 2017, he has become a thought leader on preparing legal departments for AI adoption. Co-hosting the podcast “Law://WhatsNext” alongside Tom Rice, Alex brings practical, grounded perspectives on legal technology implementation. Episode ResourcesAlex Herrity on LinkedIn: Alex Herrity Workday Contract Management: Website Hal Marcus on LinkedIn: Hal Marcus Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn: Memme Onwudiwe Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

    45 min
  5. 6 Legal AI Themes for 2026, with Workday CLO Rich Sauer

    Jan 5

    6 Legal AI Themes for 2026, with Workday CLO Rich Sauer

    How can legal leaders transition from the "Department of No" to the "Department of Growth"? In this milestone episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Workday’s Chief Legal Officer, Rich Sauer, to reflect on a year of explosive AI growth and project the trends for 2026. From his 20-year tenure at Microsoft to leading legal at Workday, Rich provides a masterclass on balancing innovation with responsibility. What You'll Learn:The Three Pillars of Modern Legal: How Workday organizes its legal team around driving growth, protecting the brand, and earning stakeholder trust. Agentic AI & The "Front Door": Why AI agents are becoming the new interface for legal departments to manage high-volume routine inquiries. The End of the Contract Silo: How moving contract data into systems like Salesforce transforms "file cabinet" documents into active business drivers. Navigating the Regulatory Patchwork: Why the EU AI Act, NIST Framework, and ISO 42001 are valuable guideposts for global AI adoption. AI and the Human-in-the-Loop: Why soft skills like trust, empathy, and persuasive communication are more valuable now than ever before. The Legal Business Model Tipping Point: Rich's take on the future of the billable hour and how AI is transforming the dynamic between in-house teams and outside counsel. About the GuestRich Sauer is the Chief Legal Officer & Head of Corporate Affairs at Workday. With a career spanning twenty years at Microsoft and previous experience at Sullivan & Cromwell, Rich is a leading voice on the intersection of technology, global policy, and corporate governance. At Workday, he oversees the responsible AI team and is a primary advocate for risk-based frameworks that unlock business innovation while protecting stakeholder trust. Episode ResourcesRich Sauer on LinkedIn: Rich Sauer Workday Official Website: Workday.com Workday AI & Innovation: Workday AI Evisort (Part of Workday): Evisort Website Regulatory Frameworks Mentioned: EU AI Act: Official Information NIST AI Risk Management Framework: NIST.gov ISO/IEC 42001 (AI Management System): ISO Standards Hal Marcus on LinkedIn: Hal Marcus Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn: Memme Onwudiwe Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

    48 min
  6. AI, IP, and the Copyright Clash, with Kimberley Odums of IEEE

    12/01/2025

    AI, IP, and the Copyright Clash, with Kimberley Odums of IEEE

    How can AI shape AND be shaped by the law? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe welcome Kimberley Odums, Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and AI at IEEE and founder of Lawyers Learn AI, to explore the intersection of legal innovation and artificial intelligence through a futuristic lens. What You'll Learn:How to position yourself as a Legal AI expert on your team by staying informed on critical AI developments Why the New York Times v. OpenAI case matters beyond just the case of publishing Why the $1.5 billion Anthropic settlement is an important precedent How to build confidence in AI tools through closed-environment systems leveraging Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) Why pro se litigants are winning cases using AI platforms for $20/month and the impact of this on access to justice The critical distinction between human authorship and AI generation in copyright law About the GuestKimberley Odums is Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and Artificial Intelligence at the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) and founder of the newsletter community Lawyers Learn AI. With a background spanning big law, nonprofit work and solo practice in trademark and brand protection, Kimberley has become a leading voice in the intersection of legal policy and AI development. Her work bridging the legal and tech communities makes her a leading voice in the rapidly evolving landscape of AI regulation and implementation. Episode ResourcesKimberley Odums on LinkedIn IEEE Website Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn Hal Marcus on LinkedIn Evisort Website Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

    1 hr
  7. Agents, ALSPs and the Future, with Mark Ross of Deloitte

    11/03/2025

    Agents, ALSPs and the Future, with Mark Ross of Deloitte

    Are we going to see a new CXO in the boardroom - the Chief Contracting Officer? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe sit down with Mark Ross, Principal at Deloitte Legal Business Services, to explore the evolution of legal technology, from early e-discovery to agentic AI. What You'll Learn:How the evolution of eDiscovery created a blueprint for legal technology adoption and transformation Why generative and agentic AI represent a paradigm shift in legal services The three-bucket framework for measuring ROI in legal tech implementation How to successfully implement Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) by starting with a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) approach Why contract visibility should precede workflow automation for optimal results Why to expect the emergence of a Chief Contracting Officer role and why multidisciplinary skills will define the future legal department Why legal teams must balance risk management with business enablement to remain strategically relevant Why traditional legal business models remain resilient even in the face of technological disruption About the GuestMark Ross is Principal and Market Leader at Deloitte Legal Business Services, where he spearheads innovative approaches to legal department transformation. With over two decades of experience spanning from practicing law in the UK to pioneering legal outsourcing operations, Ross has been at the forefront of legal industry evolution. As a self-described "recovering attorney," he has played a pivotal role in shaping how global organizations leverage technology and alternative delivery models to optimize legal operations. His perspective on the intersection of legal operations, technology, and business strategy has helped legal professionals and business leaders navigate the rapidly evolving legal technology landscape. Episode ResourcesMark Ross on LinkedIn Deloitte Website Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn Hal Marcus on LinkedIn Evisort Website Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

    50 min
  8. When AI is Exhilarating, with Brooks Hall

    10/01/2025

    When AI is Exhilarating, with Brooks Hall

    Join hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe as they speak with Brooks Hall, Legal Operations Manager at Human Interest, about driving AI adoption in legal departments. From gradual implementation to weekly “AI jam sessions,” Brooks reveals strategies for building trust, improving workflows, and fostering innovation. Discover how to integrate AI responsibly while maintaining oversight and efficiency. What You'll Learn:- How to successfully implement AI tools in legal departments by starting with simple use cases and expanding gradually- Why hosting weekly "AI jam sessions" can accelerate adoption and create excitement around new solutions- Strategies for evaluating AI tools in a rapidly changing tech landscape- How to leverage existing tools before investing in new solutions, maximizing ROI on current technologies- How to bridge the gap between legal operations and HR through shared solutions- The approach to managing AI access controls and governance while expanding capabilities- Why creating bite-sized, AI-powered training videos can improve legal department efficiency- How to stay current with AI developments through diverse learning channels like podcasts, social media, and community forums About the GuestBrooks Hall is the Legal Operations Manager, Systems and Technology at Human Interest, where she drives innovation in legal workflows by implementing cutting-edge systems and AI solutions. Since joining in 2022, she has supported the company’s mission to democratize retirement savings by making 401(k) plans more affordable, accessible, and intuitive for small and medium businesses. Prior to Human Interest, Brooks built deep expertise in intellectual property and legal operations serving as Senior Paralegal at Dexcom and Gilead Sciences, where she supported global IP strategies in healthcare and biotech. She began her career as a patent assistant at Bozicevic, Field & Francis LLP, laying the foundation for her legal operations journey. Brooks is passionate about leveraging technology to simplify legal processes and empower teams. Episode ResourcesBrooks Hall on LinkedIn Human Interest Website Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn Hal Marcus on LinkedIn Evisort Website Theme music: "Load" Copyright © 1996 by Hal Marcus.Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

    36 min
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Welcome to "Meeting of the Minds - The Legal AI Podcast," brought to you by Evisort. In this podcast, we explore the transformative world of legal AI, focusing on the innovative intersection of law, business, and technology. Join our hosts, Hal and Memme, as they engage with industry leaders, legal experts, and tech visionaries to uncover the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities in contract management and AI-driven legal solutions. Whether you're a legal professional, business leader, or tech enthusiast, our discussions aim to enlighten, inspire, and empower you with practical insights and strategies for navigating the future of contracts in the digital age. Tune in to stay ahead in the evolving landscape of legal AI and turn your contracts into strategic assets.

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