Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

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On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

16H AGO

Episode 123: Steve Mattos (THERE, Arab On Radar)

First rising to prominence in underground circles with neo-no-wave group Arab On Radar in the mid-90s, guitarist Steve Mattos has been involved in a number of notable musical projects over the past three decades. Most recently Steve has been making music as part of THERE, a psychedelic, noise-rock four-piece based in Providence, Rhode Island, where Steve was born. Also featuring former members of notable Rhode Island groups like Daughters and The Chinese Stars, THERE recently released their debut, self-titled album on Psychic Static. Steve joins me to discuss the band, the album, growing up in Rhode Island, the influence of jazz throughout his career and the infamous first Arab On Radar show opening for Marilyn Manson in the mid-90s. Closing track: “Disposable Head” (Psychic Static, 2026) Check out THERE on bandcamp Thanks to J at Psychic Static Visit Psychic Static Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1h 8m
6D AGO

Episode 122: Dan Volohov (Discipline PR)

2026 marks the five-year anniversary of Discipline PR, the agency founded by former Ohm Resistance head of PR, Dan Volohov. Catering to musicians and bands across all genres, Dan and Discipline PR have been serving the underground, DIY music world with heart, enthusiasm and creativity since their inception in 2021. With Dan being so embedded in the musical underground it should be no surprise that Discipline PR has had a hand in many of the projects that have been highlighted on this here podcast Whatever Comes Next. Dan in fact helped set up my conversation with Peter Stahl of Scream for the very first ever episode of WCN. As with my conversations with Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR (Episode 100: DIY Special), Clément Duboscq of Vous Connaissez ? PR (Episode 104) and Howard Wuelfing of Howlin’ Wuelf Media (Episode 118) I was delighted to get a chance to pick Dan’s brain on a bunch of music topics as he sees them from his position in PR. It’s a great pleasure for me, both to get insights from people behind the scenes who’ve been great supporters of my own DIY music investigations, but also just to get to chat in real time to people I’m so often firing emails back and forth with. Featuring tales of Keith Levene (of PiL), Touch & Go Records, Mick Harris (of Napalm Death and Scorn) and plenty more. Closing track: “Fixer (with Megan Osztrosits of COUCH SLUT) (SKiN GRAFT Records/ Overdrive, 2024) Agency website: Discipline PR Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1h 42m
FEB 4

Episode 121: Luxury Skin

Luxury Skin is a musical creation both beautiful and dissonant, elegant and ominous. Last week saw the release of “Die Waiting”, the latest Luxury Skin single and a teaser for the as-yet unnamed follow-up to debut album It’s All Over from 2023. Juliet E. Gordon is the creator of this musical world and she joins me to discuss Luxury Skin and her former band The Classical, and share her insights on writing, recording, touring and the meaning behind some of her songs. Closing track: “Die Waiting” (2026) For all links: luxuryskin.xyz Luxury Skin on bandcamp Juliet’s blog on substack: Ask Luxury Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1h 25m
JAN 28

Episode 120: Stress Spells

Jack Carino, Jillian Keats, Adam Kaniper, and Kevin Henson are no novices to the musical underground—having all been involved in various different projects. Together as Stress Spells the four create an intense, anxiety-inducing barrage of slicing, interweaving guitars, jerking grooves and impassioned vocals. Hearts Never Tire is the band’s debut full-length and will be released digitally and on vinyl through Fuzz Records on the 6th of February. Jack, Jill, Adam and Kevin join me to discuss the record, their influences and inspirations and how to pick which battles to fight. Closing track: “Too Little Too Late” (2026) Buy Hearts Never Tire on vinyl or digitally on bandcamp. Thanks to Justin at The Chain. Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

50 min
JAN 20

Episode 119: Robert Deeble

Never one for rushing his music, Robert Deeble’s latest record The Space Between Us follows up his last full length record Beloved from 2017. A lot has happened in the world since then. In his thoughtful, lyrical way Deeble reflects on the state of the world around him and its impact on human relationships. The Space Between Us is also a record that continues Deeble’s fascination with pulling from literary sources to construct his delicately beautiful songs. In this conversation we discuss Deeble’s music, its various influences, his collaborators and the importance of community. Closing track: “Orphan Song” (2025) Buy The Space Between Us on vinyl or CD on bandcamp—digital copies and streams available from the 6th of February. Photo by Michael Wilson Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1h 7m
JAN 6

DIY Special: CODA

Back in September 2025, with the help of Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR, I put together a special 100th episode of Whatever Comes Next with eight different guests (including Dave). For this episode, I wanted to dedicate more of the time with my guests to getting their takes and insights on the music business—as it is for independent artists (whether from the position of touring and recording artists, producers, label owners or publicists). As a little extra, I thought it would be fun to ask each of my guests to tell me about some musical experience that changed their lives. Whether it was Dave Brenner having his mind blown at a Neurosis show in the 90s, or Steve Austin of Today Is The Day pretty much fleeing town after being so unnerved by a Jesus Lizard show, I got some great, entertaining stories. Hopefully you’ll feel the same. Check out Dave Brenner’s latest album as Gridfailure Visit Nefarious Industries for all their latest releases Check out the latest Today Is The Day record Check out Urlo’s latest record as THE MON Visit Malleus for all their work and forthcoming Tarot Kickstarter project Visit Black Matter Mastering Visit Exile On Mainstream Intro: 00:00 Dave Brenner (Earsplit PR/ Gridfailure): 03:17 Greg Meisenberg (Nefarious Industries): 14:28 Steve Austin (Today Is The Day): 19:33 Lu, Urlo, Poia (Malleus/ Supernatural Cat/ Ufomammut): 34:22 Dan Emery (Black Matter Mastering): 40:29 Andreas Kohl (Exile On Mainstream): 44:05 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

46 min
12/19/2025

Episode 118: Howard Wuelfing

Howard Wuelfing started making music, and writing about it in the 70s, first in New Jersey and subsequently Washington D.C. where he found himself in the midst of the burgeoning local underground scene of that time. Descenes and Discords: An Anthology (out now on DiWulf Publishing) presents complete facsimiles of two important fanzines that Wuelfing edited and wrote for during this key time in U.S. DIY music history—including reviews, live reports, interviews and letters and early coverage of bands like Bad Brains and Mission of Burma. In this conversation we discuss the story of both fanzines and Wuelfing’s place in the D.C. underground of the time—the bands, the writers and the community—his subsequent move into music PR and his thoughts on DIY music making today. Closing track: Underheaven “Adding Up To Nothing” (2023) Buy ⁠Descenes and Discords: An Anthology⁠ from DiWulf Publishing Howard Wuelfing on ⁠bandcamp⁠ Underheaven on ⁠facebook⁠ Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

1h 16m
12/16/2025

Episode 117: Non Serviam

The anonymous, Parisian duo of Void and Moon have been making wildly-creative, unclassifiable music together since 2021, though the history of the project goes back some years earlier. Over the past four years or so the duo have been remarkably prolific, putting out a series of releases as Non Serviam, Hiverlucide, Biollante and Néant—collaborating with various other artists along the way and blending electro, noise, black metal, sludge, goth rock and industrial music into their own particular musical concoctions. With the pair working on various releases to be completed in the new year I caught up Void and Moon to talk about their music, their politics, live performances and what’s coming in 2026. Follow Non Serviam on ⁠bandcamp⁠ for all their music and related projects and links to their videos on YouTube and other platforms. Closing track: “Biollante” (Trepanation Recordings, 2022) Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast artwork and logo: https://www.garjk.com/ Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

58 min

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On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes
Years Active

2024 - 2026
Episodes

124
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Explicit
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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman