Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

  1. 4d ago

    Episode 164: Sacha Mullin

    Earlier this month Sacha Mullin released Social Touch, his fourth solo record, his first working with producer William Parker Wood and a record where he embraces his pop leanings. Mullin’s solo work has seen him compared to both George Michael and Kate Bush and Social Touch certainly taps in to some great, memorable melodic songwriting from the 70s, 80s and beyond. No doubt there are many other influences percolating away through the filter of Mullin’s musical mind. The versatile singer’s skills have been put to use in numerous projects over the years, including as a former member of quirky, avant-rock bands Lovely Little Girls and Cheer-Accident. Another figure that features in the musical story of Sacha Mullin is Todd Rittmann (Dead Rider and formerly U.S. Maple) who Mullin has worked with extensively over the years. All these fascinating characters and musical milestones we shall discuss in this here interview. Well, we don’t actually talk about George Michael… or Kate Bush, but we do talk about L. Wyatt’s dumpling parties and I wager you won’t find that anywhere else today! Visit bandcamp for Social Touch, website and other links. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

    Episode 164: Sacha Mullin
  2. Oct 21

    Episode 163: Mitsuru Tabata (Zeni Geva, Acid Mothers Temple)

    Since the original release of Total Castration in 1991 (on Public Bath) long-time Zeni Geva guitarist Mitsuru Tabata has been busy. In fact, maybe Tabata is just busy all the time—what with the numerous ongoing projects the Japanese musician is involved with right now. Following on from the Record Store Day vinyl release of Superunit: Maximum Implosion earlier this year (bringing together the collected recordings of Zeni Geva and Steve Albini in his role as a guitarist), SKiN GRAFT Records is now releasing the first ever vinyl edition of the band’s first album with Albini as producer. With this gold-vinyl edition (as well as CD), remastered by the band’s KK Null, released on the 30th of October, I caught up with Tabata to hear some of his recollections of the album and shows around that time, some of his other musical history and indeed a run through all the many different projects keeping him busy these days. Photo by Mitsushiro Hiruma. Thanks to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records. Pre-order Total Castration from bandcamp. Mitsuru Tabata on bandcamp. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

  3. Oct 14

    Episode 162: Anagnorisis

    Ten years is a long time in music and it’s a long time in life. The last time Louisville, Kentucky, black-metal group Anagnorisis released a record it was with 2016’s Peripeteia. A lot has happened between that time and the imminent release of that record’s follow up, Caregriever. Perhaps most impactful over that time (certainly in the case of the latest record) was the process of Zachary Kerr’s father in-law gradually succumbing to Parkinson’s disease and dementia. Both Zachary and his wife took her father into their home when he was no longer able to live on his own and look after himself. The emotional devastation and anticipatory grief of this several-year experience were the elements from which Caregriever was born. Initially constructed in its early form by Zachary alone, he brought in friend and long-time collaborator Zak Denham and the project ultimately found its final form as the latest Anagnorisis record. Caregriever is both a harrowing and sonically harsh listening experience, but also one with glimmers of hope and beauty within it, the latter somehow making the album all the more powerful and emotionally resonant. Both Zachary and Zak join me to discuss the record, its origins, the construction of the music, its production and some history of the band itself. Click here to pre-order the record, listen to preview tracks and follow Anagnorisis. Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR Photo courtesy of Matt Simpson For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

  4. Oct 7

    Episode 161: Maciej Werk (Soundedit, Hedone)

    This month, from the 23rd-27th of October, Łódź, Poland will host the 18th edition of Soundedit—an international festival “dedicated entirely to the art and technology of music production”. Combining workshops, pro-audio events, live shows and Q&As, this year’s event features appearances from Marc Almond (Soft Cell), producer Howie B (UK, Björk), Hugh Cornwell (The Stranglers) and Wolfgang Flür (Kraftwerk). In 2026 Soundedit also celebrates 50 years of punk rock, culminating with the festival’s regular Man with the Golden Ear award—to be presented to Iggy Pop, producer Bogdan Kondradcki and Polish punk musician Ziemowit Kosmowski (Brak, Rendez-Vous). Behind all of this is the festival’s founder—musician, producer and radio broadcaster Maciej Werk—and there’s far too much history and too many potential stories and anecdotes for us to fit into one hour-long conversation, but we’ll give it a go. We discuss the festival, its origins, this year’s lineup, Werk’s band Hedone, his story in the music world, tales of music fandom behind the Iron Curtain and plenty more. Visit Soundedit.pl for info, tickets and schedule. Hedone on YouTube. Thanks to Dom at 3nation For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

  5. Sep 24

    Episode 159: Percy Howard and Richard Kazanjian (nûs)

    In the mid 1990s Sacramento four-piece nûs released two albums of cinematic alternative rock (both notably being produced by Bill Laswell) in relatively quick succession, before just as quickly disappearing into the ether—from whence their music sounds like it came from. Almost 30 years later founding members Percy Howard, Stephen Sullivan and Richard Kazanjian (plus Stephen’s son Sean on drums) make a wonderful return with their exquisite new record shapes of longing (out October 15th on Third Star Records). So where have they been all this time? Well, singer Percy and bassist Richard are kind enough to join me and tell all. nûs will be having an album release party in Sacramento next month. Of the show the band writes: Saturday, October 24th, at Two Rivers Cider, will be an amazing evening, with food, drink, music, storytelling, and lovely night of connection! Join us as we celebrate the release of our latest album “Shapes of Longing”! Recorded at the incredible 25th Street Recording Studio in Oakland, CA. Engineered by the extraordinarily talented Gabriel Shepard. Mixed by 11 time Grammy winning Producer, Joe Chiccarelli (the White Stripes, the Strokes, U2, Beck, Elton John, the Killers, Morrissey, Weezer), and Mastered by 26 time Grammy winner Howie Weinberg (too many to list). Guest players include: John Ettinger on Violin, Jack Perla on Piano, David Boyce (Broun Fellinis) on Saxophone, Natalie Carols on Vocals, and Vince DiFiore (Cake) on Trumpet.Joining nûs to perform will be John Ettinger on violin, and Nathan Kingham on Keyboards, both incredible musicians and part of the nûs family.In addition to this being a FREE show, we’ll also be gifting CD’s to those who attend!7:00 start time. No opening act. A “night with nûs”. We’ll be playing the album in its entirety, as well as some legacy tracks, some reimagines, some requested, and maybe some future tracks! We’ll see you Saturday October 24th @ Two Rivers. As well as discussing shapes of longing, some stories from the band’s early days and the time between, we also touch on some of Percy’s past collaborations, including with one Eugene S. Robinson—former guest on this podcast, alongside BUÑUEL guitarist Xabier Iriondo on episode 82. Some of you will be aware that Eugene suffered a stroke back in July. His wife Kasia Robinson started a gofundme campaign to raise money to help fund Eugene’s ongoing rehabilitation. I’m sure any donation would be gratefully received. You can find that here. Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR for setting up the interview. Photo credit: Cassandra Foster. shapes of longing on bandcamp. For all things nûs visit nusartmedia.com. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

  6. Sep 16

    Episode 158: David Caress

    If the name Dallas Seger is familiar to you, it might be through his role as owner/luthier of custom-guitar specialists Seger Guitars, based in Bangor Maine. You might also know Dallas from his rock-and-metal-straddling project Manic Abraxas (and you can check out my interview with Dallas and Justin Hamm discussing that project on episode 35 of this podcast). Azure, the debut album under Dallas’ new moniker David Caress sounds frankly nothing like Manic Abraxas. Certainly, there are guitars, but this is not some virtuosic, Yngwie Malmsteen noodle-fest. Azure is rather a cold, but beautiful, post-punk-inspired release with sonic terrain evoking bands like Depeche Mode, Joy Division and The Cure—on top of which Dallas (or David, if you prefer!) weaves his beguiling guitar melodies. Mostly performed and recorded by Dallas himself, Azure was mixed and mastered by Steve Austin (of Today Is The Day) in his Austin Enterprise studio and I was delighted to get the chance to hear all about the creation of the album, which will be released digitally on the 9th of October. Meanwhile please enjoy this conversation with David (I mean Dallas!). Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR. Photos by Michael Hallahan. David Caress on bandcamp. Visit Seger Guitars Visit Austin Enterprises For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

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On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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