Talking Tech With Creatives

Stella Oni

Talking Tech with Creatives is a bi-weekly podcast about the people, ideas and technologies shaping how we create, work and think. Hosted by author, speaker and lecturer Stella Oni, the podcast features conversations with people from a wide range of fields about creativity, technology, their work, and the ideas and experiences that have shaped them. Subscribe and tune in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, YouTube and many more. Talking Tech with Creatives ISSN  2978-8307

  1. 6d ago

    From Writer to Publishing Business: Biba Pearce on Indie Publishing, Making Books Pay and AI - ep 37

    Can you really make a living from writing. What changes when you start treating your books as a business? In this episode of Talking Tech with Creatives, I talk with award-winning crime author and indie publisher Biba Pearce about the business behind a writing career. Biba writes across crime, thriller and romance, publishes through traditional and independent routes, and runs her own imprint, Mortlake Press. She shares how she moved from experimenting with self-publishing to building multiple series, working with publishers including Joffe Books and Liquid Mind Media, and developing a publishing model designed to generate long-term income. We talk about writing five or six books a year, building a backlist, Kindle Unlimited, rapid release, advertising, translations and international markets — as well as the growing role of AI. Biba also explains how she uses technology and AI within her publishing business while protecting the part she considers uniquely human: her authorial voice. We explore: • how Biba moved from a technology career into full-time authorship • traditional, independent and hybrid publishing • why backlist and read-through matter • whether authors can genuinely make money from books • KDP, Kindle Unlimited and international publishing • AI-assisted translation and audiobook possibilities • what happens to editors, designers and narrators as AI develops • why human voice may become even more valuable • using AI for research, analysis and publishing workflows • GEO and how AI is changing online search • how writers can prepare for a publishing industry that is changing fast This is a wide-ranging conversation about creativity, technology, publishing and what it takes to build a sustainable career around your work. Find Biba Pearce via her website and social channels. Website: https://bibapearce.com/ Instagram: @author_bibapearce Facebook: @authorbibapearce TikTok: @authorbibapearce Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bibapearce   Subscribe to Talking Tech with Creatives for conversations about how technology is changing the way creative people work, build and create.   Stella Oni — Author | Speaker | Lecturer | Podcast Host 🌐 Website: StellaOni.com⁠ 🎤 Speaking: Speaking engagements⁠ 💼 LinkedIn: [Stella Oni on LinkedIn] 📸 Instagram: [@stellaoni_official] 🎵 TikTok: [@stellaoni_official] X: [@soni_official2]   TRANSCRIPT STELLA: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech with Creatives, a podcast where we talk about creativity, technology, culture and all the different ways technology connects with creative work. Thank you so much for listening consistently. Every time I post, you listen, and I really appreciate that. If you’ve been listening regularly, or if you’re new, remember to subscribe wherever you’re listening or watching. I have an exciting conversation for you today, especially for authors. My guest is Biba Pearce, and she is a powerhouse when it comes to writing, publishing and the business of being an author. I’ve wanted to have her on the podcast for a long time, and we’ve finally made it. Biba, welcome to Talking Tech with Creatives. BIBA: Thank you so much for having me on, Stella. It’s a pleasure to be here. STELLA: I’m so happy we finally got you here. For those listening, this is going to be particularly interesting if you’re a writer or author and you want to understand the business of publishing, marketing and building a sustainable career. Biba, I want people to know a little bit about your background first. Give us your origin story. How did you start? BIBA: I started like most writers, I think, reading everything I could get my hands on as a child. I loved genre fiction right from the beginning: romance, crime and fantasy. When I grew up, I did a couple of writing courses, and it was during those courses that I realised I loved the process and that writing was something I wanted to do one day. It took a while to get to that point, but I kept learning, writing, practising, doing courses and building my craft. Eventually, when COVID hit and I wasn’t working anymore, I was able to concentrate full-time on being an author. That was when I really got my opportunity. STELLA: Fantastic. I’m going to dig a little deeper. I detect an accent, so let’s start there. You’re South African. You write across thrillers, crime thriller series and romance, so you have quite a broad spectrum of experience. That doesn’t come from nowhere. What were your influences growing up? BIBA: I think growing up in Africa is a very particular experience. There are a lot of contradictions. Things are rarely black and white. There are positives and negatives. It’s stunningly beautiful. It’s wild. It can be dangerous. All those things have influenced my subconscious over the years, and I think they come out in my writing. I’ve also travelled a lot. South Africa is quite far away from the rest of the world, so when we travel, we tend to travel quite far. I’ve always had a curiosity about the rest of the world. When I travel, I observe, learn and take notes, and everything I’ve seen or experienced over the years somehow filters into the writing process. I’m sure that’s the same for a lot of writers. Your experiences shape the writer you become. When I started writing, South Africa wasn’t as advanced in publishing as it is now. Self-publishing wasn’t really a thing. Agents were few and far between. We didn’t have access to the courses, information and resources that we have today. I felt quite limited in what I could do. It was only when I moved to London in my twenties that that world really opened up to me. Suddenly I had access to more information, courses and knowledge, and I was able to travel more too. STELLA: When you were growing up, did you know you wanted to write? Were you good at literature and English? Where did it begin for you? BIBA: English was probably my strongest subject at school, which is no surprise now. I loved it, and I think that was the difference. I actually enjoyed it more than my other school subjects. But I didn’t know then that I wanted to be a writer because, growing up, it wasn’t really a career option we thought about. I was more concerned with getting a proper job, making money and then raising my child. Writing wasn’t really on my radar as a career until I got older and realised that I was spending a lot of time outside my other jobs writing. Gradually, I was trying to write more and work less. I was prepared to make that sacrifice and take the financial cut because that was where my passion lay, but I wasn’t ready to give up working completely because I still had to support myself. It was really only when COVID hit, and I had already self-published a couple of novels, that I made the switch to full-time writing. By then, I had been following a lot of indie authors online who were doing it for themselves because Kindle had become established. There were groups appearing on social media where you could learn from other authors. I was seeing all these people making it work and thought, if they can do it, what’s stopping me? I used to work in tech. I had good knowledge of websites and platforms, so I realised I had a skill set I could transfer into publishing, particularly indie publishing. I started doing more and more of that until eventually I made it my full-time job. STELLA: You said you had already self-published some books. Did you try traditional publishing first, or did you intentionally decide to self-publish? BIBA: When Kindle came out and the first indie authors started appearing, I decided to experiment. I had written a romantic suspense novel. It probably wasn’t very good, but I thought, let me see if I can get it onto KDP, the Kindle Direct Publishing platform. I wanted to understand the process and learn how the product page worked. I managed to publish it. It didn’t do much, to be honest, but I didn’t really know what I was doing at that point. I wasn’t aware of promotion, advertising, networking or community. It was simply an experiment, but the important thing was that I did it and learnt from the process. A couple of years later, when I had another book, I approached it more seriously and more effectively. It was a slow process, but while I was still working full-time, I continued learning on the side. So by the time lockdown came around, I felt ready. I felt I had enough knowledge to do it properly. STELLA: What year did you first self-publish? BIBA: A long time ago! It must have been around 2006. STELLA: The reason I ask is because I follow Joanna Penn, The Creative Penn, and groups like 20BooksTo50K. Everybody thinks differently, but you made the decision that this could eventually replace your full-time job. How did you make that transition? BIBA: It was because I was seeing other people do it. In groups like 20BooksTo50K, there were people making five or six figures a year. Some were making that in a month. Some had fewer books than I had written. Some were earlier in their journey than I was. Some had fewer technological skills than I had. So I think there was a little bit of FOMO. I was sitting in a day job that I didn’t want to be in, browsing these groups and thinking, what are these people doing that I’m not doing? How are they getting this right? I started paying very close attention. At the end of the day, I think it came down to self-belief. You reach a point where you think, there’s nothing stopping me from doing this. I have the skills. I just need to do it. STELLA: I’m quite cautious by nature, so I’m interested in when you knew you could really do it successfully. You were also able to write quickly and produce books consistently. There was a period when rapid release was talked about a lot. Authors would write several books a

  2. Sep 13

    From Rock Bottom to Harrods: Toks Aroture on Luxury, Resilience and Technology - ep 36

    What happens when the business you built is caught in a financial crisis — and you have to begin again? In this episode of Talking Tech with Creatives, I speak with Toks Aroture, founder of The Baby Cot Shop, a luxury nursery and children’s interiors brand whose journey has taken her from Atlanta to London’s King’s Road, Harrods and international clients. Toks shares how she survived the 2008 financial crisis, returned to the UK having lost almost everything, and rebuilt from the ground up — teaching herself web design and SEO, finding European craftspeople and eventually developing her own furniture collections. We also talk about luxury, expertise in business, mentorship, resilience, entrepreneurship and her belief that there are many forms of currency beyond money. And we get into technology: Toks explains how she is now using AI and digital tools across the business, from nursery design and marketing to HR, project management and productivity. A conversation about losing, rebuilding, luxury and using technology to imagine what comes next. Subscribe to Talking Tech with Creatives wherever you listen to podcasts, and visit talkingtechwithcreatives.com.   Reach to Toks on social media @toksaroture   W: thebabycotshop.com Showroom: 408 King’s Road, Chelsea, London SW10 0LJ   Harrods, 4th Floor, Knightsbridge, London     Stella Oni — Author | Speaker | Lecturer | Podcast Host 🌐 Website: StellaOni.com⁠ 🎤 Speaking: Speaking engagements⁠ 💼 LinkedIn: [Stella Oni on LinkedIn] 📸 Instagram: [@stellaoni_official] 🎵 TikTok: [@stellaoni_official] X: [@soni_official2]   TRANSCRIPTION   Stella Oni in Conversation with Toks Aroture, Founder of The Baby Cot Shop STELLA ONI: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech with Creatives, the podcast where we talk about the intersection of technology and creativity. I always like to have different guests on the podcast, and you’ve seen quite a few from all kinds of backgrounds. I’m quite excited about my guest today. I’ve got Toks Aroture of The Baby Cot Shop. She’s a founder working in an area that fascinates me and that I really want to delve into: the luxury nursery space. The Baby Cot Shop creates bespoke nurseries for high-end clients. I deliberately didn’t want to know too much beforehand because I wanted to come to this fresh. I got the barest minimum, so we’re going to discover Toks and what she does together. The Baby Cot Shop serves high-end customers from a beautiful part of London, has a presence in Harrods, and has also worked on the Lindo Wing at St Mary’s Hospital. For those who follow the Royal Family, the Lindo Wing is where several members of the Royal Family have had their babies. So we’re in for a treat. This is a bit of a departure from some of my filmmakers and writers, because we’re looking at luxury spaces, which I love, particularly because I’ve got my own fiction series coming that is very much about luxury. Toks, welcome to Talking Tech with Creatives. First of all, tell us about yourself and your background, and then we’ll start delving deeper. TOKS AROTURE: Amazing. Thank you so much for having me, Stella. I am super excited. It has been such a long time coming. STELLA: It has been. TOKS: Our schedules just haven’t aligned, but here we are finally. I was born in Scotland, but I didn’t grow up there. I grew up in Nigeria, specifically Benin City. STELLA: Like me. TOKS: Yes. We share that in common. I had the most wonderful childhood in Benin. Compared with somewhere like Lagos, which is more cosmopolitan, Benin is quieter even though it’s a city. I had this peaceful, beautiful, warm childhood surrounded by a lot of love, familiar faces and trust. I think that formed the foundation for who I am today because I was raised by parents who were very confident in their children. Whether they actually felt confident or not, they certainly told us they did. My dad would brag about me. He would say, “My daughter is going to win Miss Nigeria.” Then my mum would say, “Not my daughter. She’s not going to parade in anything she shouldn’t be wearing.” They’d go back and forth. But more importantly, it was always, “You’re so intelligent. You can do anything.” When you hear that often enough, you eventually believe it. So I genuinely believed I could do anything. I grew up in Benin and then went to school in northern Nigeria, in Kaduna. STELLA: How did you end up going from Benin to Kaduna? TOKS: Boarding school. It was a military school. My dad was in the military, so I didn’t really have a choice. STELLA: Secondary school? TOKS: Yes, secondary school. That’s where the discipline came from, although sometimes I think the discipline stayed within the gates of the school and didn’t follow me outside. But I learned a lot of lessons there. I remember my mum coming to see me during the middle of my first term. Benin and Kaduna are very far apart, almost like London to Scotland. We stayed in a guest house for the weekend and she asked how school was going. I said, “Mum, it’s horrible. The seniors are wicked. This senior slapped me. The food is terrible.” I went on and on about the seniors. She asked what I wanted to do. I said, “I want to go to school in Benin or Lagos. I want to be closer to home.” She said, “The problem is, no matter what school you go to, you’re still going to face this problem. You’re going to face seniors. They’ll have different names and be in a different location, but the experience will be the same.” That lesson has served me throughout my business journey. Whenever I’ve been tempted to quit, I think: And then what? No matter what I do, I’m going to face challenges in business. I could sell second-hand clothes or spare tyres. The mindset required to run a business is the same. I naturally tend to pull lessons out of my experiences. Later my family moved to Lagos, and not long after that there was a kind of mass exodus of young Nigerians. The economy wasn’t doing so well and people were seeking better opportunities. A lot of Nigerians had been born in the diaspora but raised in Nigeria because their parents preferred that upbringing. Many of our parents weren’t immigrants in the sense of intending to settle permanently. Some had gone abroad to study and then returned. So at some point it became, “You’re British. You were born there. Just go back.” That’s how I came to England. But I took the whole “You’re so smart, you can be anything” thing a little too seriously. I came to do A-levels and really wanted to become a doctor. Everyone said, “You’d make a great doctor,” especially my dad. Then I came to England and didn’t study properly for my A-levels because I thought I was so smart I didn’t need to. I failed woefully. STELLA: And the systems are different. TOKS: They are different, but I was also trying to get away with cramming. STELLA: In Nigeria you can cram. TOKS: Exactly. And in boarding school, one advantage is that you’re almost in an incubator. You have no choice but to breathe the air that’s around you, and the air is study and success. You must come first. You mustn’t be last. You have to work. That environment helped me thrive academically. Then I came to England and it was completely different. Open-book tests. Calling lecturers by their first names. If you don’t show up to class, nobody chases you. I don’t think I handled that freedom particularly well. I thought, “I’m free as a bird.” I eventually went to university to study pharmacology. When I was a child, I used to read my father’s medical books. I’ve always had an interest in the human body and medicine, and I still do. The plan was to study pharmacology and then go into medicine afterwards. But in my second year I married my best friend. STELLA: Aw. TOKS: And I found myself spending more and more time doing up our apartment in London and less time at lectures. Eventually I had to admit to myself that I had dropped out. I said, “Madam, let’s be honest. You haven’t been to lectures in how long? You’re painting in the middle of the night. You’re spending your working days at B&Q and Homebase. You’ve dropped out.” And I was okay. Even though education is such a holy grail in Nigeria, I believed I would be all right. I got a job as a medical representative for a pharmaceutical company, which paid really well. Those jobs came with a company car, an expense account and all of that. Then the children started arriving. When I had my third son, I asked my employers for reduced hours. They said no. This was more than 20 years ago, and maternity and workplace entitlements were not what they are today. Around that time I happened to be reading a book in which the author said, “Your gift is that thing you do so effortlessly. Everyone thinks it’s a big deal except you.” And I thought, everybody loves my home. I don’t think putting it together is a big deal. It feels easy. STELLA: That’s why you dropped out of school! You were decorating and going to B&Q. That was your passion. TOKS: Exactly. When you’re gifted in something or really passionate about it, it often feels easy to you. When we were students and broke, I would go to B&Q and buy wallpaper from the bargain bucket. I’d lay it across the floor and cut it into strips to create borders. I wanted every room to be a different colour, but coloured paint was more expensive than white paint. So I bought white paint and coloured dyes and mixed my own colours until I got exactly what I wanted. STELLA: Really? I was doing that with my writing. That was what I was obsessed with. TOKS: Writing is a beautiful gift. So I decided to go to design school. I enrolled on interior design courses and then set up a small interior design business from home. I was about 27. STELLA: You were such a baby, and you already had

  3. Aug 25

    AI, Authorship And The Human Creative - ep 35

    In this solo episode of Talking Tech with Creatives, Stella Oni steps back from her guest conversations to ask a question that increasingly sits at the heart of the creative industries: As technology becomes more capable, where does the human sit in the creative process? From music and entrepreneurship to publishing, podcasting and professional work, technology is making it possible to create, produce and distribute work faster than ever. But greater access also brings new questions about originality, discoverability, authenticity, ownership and creative rights. Stella looks at the writing world and recent controversies surrounding alleged generative-AI use in publishing. She asks: How should publishers establish whether a work is human-authored? How reliable are accusations of AI use? And could some writers and writing voices face greater suspicion than others? The episode also explores the work being done by organisations including the Society of Authors, ALCS, the Authors Guild and the Alliance of Independent Authors, and why Stella believes consent, licensing and compensation must remain central to the conversation about AI and creative work. She also reflects on her own boundaries as a novelist, technical writer, lecturer, speaker and podcaster — and why the difficult, imperfect process of creating fiction herself remains something she wants to protect. Plus, there are updates from Stella’s writing world, the Lara’s Detective Agency stories, the Toks Ade Mystery series and her University of Cambridge PACE crime-writing course. The question isn’t simply what technology can do. It is what we want technology to do — and who we choose to be alongside it.   Links & Resources Short Story: Case No. 1  Stella Oni — The Case of the Missing Body Just days before Christmas, Lara Ayodele is given forty-eight hours to locate the missing body of a powerful chief before his family arrives and a scandal erupts. It is a gripping story of power, silence, and buried secrets. https://books2read.com/u/3LPav7 https://amzn.eu/d/0ea2opSD https://a.co/d/03GDtVb5   Breaking the Case: Crime Writing — University of Cambridge PACE https://www.pace.cam.ac.uk/courses/breaking-case-art-and-craft-crime-fiction   Tim Ferriss Has AI Already Killed How-To Nonfiction? Sales Trends, My Personal Data, and What It Might Mean for the Future https://tim.blog/2026/06/12/has-ai-already-killed-nonfiction/?utm_source=chatgpt.com   The Creative Penn Podcast https://www.thecreativepenn.com/the-creative-penn-podcast-for-authors/   Society of Author https://humanauthored.co.uk/   Author Licensing Collection Agency (ALCS) https://www.alcs.co.uk/   Authors Guild https://authorsguild.org/   Alliance of Independent Authors (ALLI) https://www.allianceindependentauthors.org/   Professor Jason Arday — Great and Unfortunate Things https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Great-and-Unfortunate-Things/Jason-Arday/9781398542747   About Stella Oni Stella Oni is the author of Deadly Sacrifice, an SI Leeds Literary Prize shortlisted novel and an Audible Crime & Thriller Pick. She is a speaker, Guest Lecturer at the University of Cambridge PACE, and host of Talking Tech with Creatives. Connect with Stella Website: www.stellaoni.com Instagram & TikTok: @stellaoni_official X: @soni_official2   Talking Tech with Creatives www.talkingtechwithcreatives.com Follow or subscribe wherever you listen to Talking Tech with Creatives.

  4. Jul 28

    She Turned Her Pain into Music: Kemy Music on Her Debut Single African Woman - ep 34

    In this episode of Talking Tech with Creatives, I speak with singer-songwriter Kemi Obafemi, known professionally as Kemy Music, about her debut single, African Woman. Kemi shares how her love of music began through listening before she started singing in church, leading a choir and writing songs. She also speaks openly about experiencing an abusive marriage and explains how music became her safe space, gave her purpose and helped her find the strength to move forward. That experience became an important part of the story behind African Woman. Kemi explains why she insisted on releasing the song as her first single,  though others in the music industry advised her to begin with something more commercial. For Kemi, African Woman represents the beauty, courage, resilience and strength of women, particularly African women who continue to pursue their dreams despite the obstacles placed before them. We also discuss the influence of Fela Kuti, the challenges facing female artists in the African music industry, the importance of remaining authentic and the realities of building a career as an independent musician. Kemi talks about her previous experience of being signed to a record label, what emerging artists should consider before signing a contract and why having money is not enough if a label does not have the right team or a clear plan for the artist. We explore the role of technology and artificial intelligence in music. Kemi explains how she uses AI tools to experiment with melodies, sounds, instruments and arrangements, while maintaining that technology should assist the artist rather than replace human creativity. We talk about community, music distribution, preserving the legacy of African musicians and Kemy’s advice to young creatives: understand your purpose, remain original and use technology to amplify who you already are. Listen to African Woman by Kemy Music on the major streaming platforms. Listen to African Woman: Songdis Follow Kemy Music: Instagram: @kemymusic Youtube: @kemymusicofficial Content note: This episode includes a non-graphic discussion of domestic abuse. Follow me: @stellaoni_official

  5. Apr 24

    From Music Producer to Tech Founder: Melody Nehemiah on Building Songdis for African Artists - ep 31

    In this episode, I speak with Melody Nehemiah, CEO and founder of Songdis, a platform helping African artists and labels get their music onto global streaming services and collect royalties. Melody shares how he sold CDs as a child, produced beats, and managed artists before identifying a major gap in the music ecosystem. He experienced how hard it was for African artists to distribute music, withdraw royalties, and navigate payment systems not designed for them. That frustration drove him to start Songdis. We discuss what it means to build a tech platform from lived experience, how African founders bootstrap ideas into reality, and why infrastructure, community, and trust help creatives grow. Melody describes the differences between record labels and distribution platforms, outlines how Songdis supports artists at different levels, and explains why Africa should build more of its own technology systems rather than rely on the rest of the world. Whether your interest lies in music, technology, African innovation, creative independence, or the future of digital infrastructure on the continent, this conversation offers unique insights. Highlights Melody’s journey from music producer to founder The real problems African artists face with royalties Why Songdis was created Record labels versus distribution platforms Payments, ownership and control Building African tech for African creatives AI, infrastructure and the future of music on the continent Songdis was recognised by the NBA (National Basketball Association) through its accelerator programme, highlighting its innovation in music rights and payments.   Connect with Melody on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/melodysongzz/   Connect with me: https://stellaoni.com/   Social media - stellaoni_official

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Talking Tech with Creatives is a bi-weekly podcast about the people, ideas and technologies shaping how we create, work and think. Hosted by author, speaker and lecturer Stella Oni, the podcast features conversations with people from a wide range of fields about creativity, technology, their work, and the ideas and experiences that have shaped them. Subscribe and tune in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, YouTube and many more. Talking Tech with Creatives ISSN  2978-8307