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The Dugout is a weekly Black anarchist podcast hosted by Prince Shakur & Jordan. We bring radical, decolonial, and queer takes on politics, movements, and media—covering everything from Black anarchism and Afro-pessimism to uprisings, direct action, and liberation struggles worldwide. Have ideas, reading recs, or want to be a guest? Email us. Consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod

  1. Learning Economics As Anarchist W/ Brooke From Strangers In A Tangled Wilderness

    2d ago

    Learning Economics As Anarchist W/ Brooke From Strangers In A Tangled Wilderness

    What can economics teach anarchists, organizers, and people trying to build a different world? Jordan sits down with Brooke of Strangers in a Tangled Wilderness and Live Like the World Is Dying for a conversation on economics, anarchism, and building alternatives to capitalism. Brooke shares her journey from journalism student to economist, bookkeeper, and organizer while breaking down economic concepts in accessible terms. Together, they explore how economic systems shape our lives, why understanding them matters for social change, and what cooperative, participatory, and anarchist approaches to economics might look like in practice. From central banking and inflation to co-ops, buying clubs, and collective ownership, this episode is an invitation to think critically about how we organize resources Mentioned Media: together or not at all: TangledWilderness.org/zines/together-or-not-at-all-digital —--------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    1h 32m
  2. (ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism

    May 23

    (ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism

    In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question “Do we need anarchism?”, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves. The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy. From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudan’s local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state. English Transcript: substack.com/pub/tdugout/p/eng-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan CHAPTERS 00:00 Episode Intro and Links 01:22 Why We Need Anarchism 05:16 Belonging and Practice 06:31 Martyrdom and Organization 09:01 Islamic Anarchism and State Power 12:54 Counter Propaganda in Revolution 17:00 Goals of Anarchism 18:22 Armed Struggle in Sudan 20:48 Janjaweed and Brutalization 23:25 Global Struggles and Identity 25:57 Closing Thanks and Farewell Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    27 min
  3. (ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line

    May 18

    (ENG) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line

    In this episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation. The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems. Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around “stability,” international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a “third line” independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire. TRANSCRIPT: https://tdugout.substack.com/p/eng-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan CHAPTERS 00:00 Show Intro And Links 00:41 Meet Kandake 01:34 Episode Setup Third Line 02:42 Sudan War Overview 04:17 Darfur Roots And RSF 06:02 Chaos Economy And Genocide 07:47 Modern State And Colonialism 11:02 Authoritarianism And Spirituality 15:10 Children Violence And Identity 19:11 Pluralism Against Centralization 22:45 Movement Status And Support 24:06 Anarchist Vision Third Line 26:58 Closing Call For Coalition —--------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠ 🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    28 min
  4. MOVE Through A Black Anarchist Perspective

    May 9

    MOVE Through A Black Anarchist Perspective

    Before the city of Philadelphia dropped a bomb on a Black neighborhood, MOVE spent over a decade building one of the most uncompromising radical organizations in American history. Founded by John Africa in the early 1970s, MOVE combined Black liberation politics with a sweeping critique of modern civilization — technology, education, government, and "the system" itself. In this episode, we trace MOVE's arc from their communal house in Powelton Village to the 1978 standoff that sent nine members to prison, to the catastrophic 1985 bombing that killed 11 people and burned down 61 homes. Along the way, we wrestle with hard questions: What made MOVE so compelling — and so controversial? What does the state's response tell us about the limits of Black radical organizing? And what do we do with organizations that cause harm while also facing tremendous repression? Learn more on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/move-through-157559223 --------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & How did you first learn about MOVE? 11:17 MOVE's origins: John Africa, *The Guidelines*, and life in Powelton Village 23:20 The 1978 Powelton Village standoff, the MOVE 9, and the road to the 1985 bombing 29:08 The complicated history: internal conflict, harm allegations, and neighbor relations 29:35 MOVE's beliefs, the GUIDELINES, and how they organized day-to-day 37:15 Discussion: Is being disruptive or playing the "vanguard" actually useful in revolutionary movements? 40:20 Hierarchy, accountability, and how power worked (and didn't) inside MOVE 46:45 Allegations of harm within MOVE and Mike Africa Jr.'s role in the organization's legacy today 51:30 When is Black separatism a useful political strategy? 01:00:00 Outro

    1h 8m
  5. (ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism

    May 7

    (ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Why We Need Anarchism

    In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question “Do we need anarchism?”, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves. The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy. From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudan’s local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state. Read English transcript on Substack: substack.com/home/post/p-196826773 Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    1h 22m
  6. (ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line

    May 7

    (ARABIC) The Anarchist Group In Sudan On Building A Third Line

    In this debut episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation. The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems. Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around “stability,” international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a “third line” independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire. Read English transcript on our Substack: open.substack.com/pub/tdugout/p/arabic-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan —--------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    1h 33m
  7. Rafales: Black Autonomy & Prefigurative Politics (In Conversation in Montreal)

    May 5

    Rafales: Black Autonomy & Prefigurative Politics (In Conversation in Montreal)

    Recorded live at Rafales (the anarchist learning camp hosted by ORA (Organisation Révolutionnaire Anarchiste) in Montreal). We sat down with Zoya, one of the organizers, to dig into what Black autonomy actually looks like in practice: as theory, as daily organizing, and as a framework that refuses to wait for someone else's revolution to be finished first. From prefigurative politics to Afro-pessimism, from the Black Liberation Army to Cooperation Jackson, from Standing Rock to the Anarchist Group in Sudan, this conversation traces the lineage of Black radical struggle across generations and geographies. We also get into what it means to show up as Black folks in a diaspora full of contradictions; navigating immigrant families, queer identity, settler land, and the ever-present question of who solidarity is actually for. Edited by Badger Want extended show notes? Check out our Patreon post: https://www.patreon.com/posts/rafales-black-in-157439680 About Rafales: https://ora-rao.org/rafales-en/ Organisation Révolutionnaire Anarchiste: https://www.instagram.com/ora.rao.rev/ Support independent bookstores by purchasing with our affiliate link on through Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/lists/what-we-re-reading-at-the-dugout  Media Mentioned Books Lose Your Mother — Saidiya HartmanAfropessimism — Frank B. Wilderson IIITip of the Spear — Orisanmi BurtonThe Autobiography of Malcolm X — Malcolm X & Alex HaleyAssata: An Autobiography — Assata ShakurIn Defense of Looting — Vicky OsterweilFear of the Black Nation — David AustinAn Afro-Indigenous History of the United States — Kyle T. MaysSeven Fallen Feathers — Tanya TalagaHow Europe Underdeveloped Africa — Walter RodneyDocumentaries Dope Is Death — dir. Mia Donovan (Young Lords & acupuncture in North America)The Takeover — on the Young Lords' hospital occupationThinkers & Figures Referenced Kuwasi Balagoon (New Afrikan anarchist, BLA, Panther 21)Saidiya Hartman & Sylvia WynterRuth Wilson GilmoreJames BaldwinAmílcar CabralW.E.B. Du Bois & Marcus GarveyKwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael)C.L.R. JamesOrganizations & Projects Rafales / ORA — the conferenceCooperation Jackson: https://cooperationjackson.org/Malcolm X Grassroots Movement: https://freethelandmxgm.org/Anarchist Group in Sudan (fundraiser at opencollective.com/support-sudanese-comrades)In the Belly — abolitionist prison media publication: https://transformharm.org/ab_resource/in-the-belly/Black Queer and Intersectional Collective (Columbus, OH): https://bqic.net/------------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug -------------------------------------- EPISODE CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro 09:33 – What Does Black Autonomy Actually Mean to You? 19:29 – How Does Black Autonomy Push Beyond Liberal Inclusion Politics? 30:01 – What Are Prefigurative Politics and Why Do They Matter? 35:30 – What Does Prefigurative Organizing Look Like in Real Life? 40:53 – How Do Black Autonomy and Indigenous Sovereignty Connect? 47:48 – What Does Real Solidarity Look Like Beyond Symbolic Support? 52:06 – Which Political Thinkers Shape Your Vision of Black Liberation? 56:43 – What Does Afro-Pessimism Get Right—and Where Does It Fall Short? 01:00:54 – How Do Gender, Queerness, and Disability Shape Liberation Struggles?

    1h 41m
  8. A Constellation Of Revolutions: An Interview with JAMES STOUT

    Apr 25

    A Constellation Of Revolutions: An Interview with JAMES STOUT

    In this episode, we sit down with James Stout, a conflict reporter and author of Against the State: Anarchists and Comrades at War in Spain, Myanmar, and Rojava, to talk about solidarity, journalism, and what it means to document struggle without reproducing the logic of the state. We begin with solidarity with Sudan and trace James’s path from growing up rural to finding anarchism and becoming a conflict reporter. From Venezuela to the Darién Gap, we explore what it looks like to practice kindness in conflict zones and why mainstream media so often misses the role of love, care, and mutual aid in struggle. The conversation moves through communes, gardens, and the small everyday ways people resist, before digging into solidarity journalism and rejecting the myth of objectivity. From there, we get into the core ideas behind his book, including lessons from Myanmar’s decentralized resistance, debates around anarchist military formations, and what history teaches us from Spain to today. We unpack questions of violence, accountability, dual power, alongside reflections on internationalism and unity under pressure. We close with advice for ethical journalists, thoughts on revolutionary strategy, and a reminder that even in the harshest conditions, kindness and solidarity remain central to building a different world. ------------------------------------------------------- Read more of James Stout's work.... 📚Against The State By James Stout patreon.com/Jamesstout jamesstout.net ------------------------------------------------------- 01:00 Meet James Stout 02:10 Growing Up Rural 04:32 Finding Anarchism 11:54 Kindness in Conflict Zones 14:38 Venezuela Lessons 19:31 Communes and Gardens 23:23 Small Ways of Saying No 27:53 Solidarity Journalism 34:28 Rejecting Objectivity Myths 36:58 Darien Gap Reporting 37:44 Solidarity In The Darien 38:30 Why Media Misses Love 40:24 Becoming A Conflict Reporter 41:54 Decolonizing Outdoor Journalism 43:47 Cool Zone Origin Story 44:48 Myanmar 3D Printed Revolution 46:55 Editors Miss The Context 48:43 Podcasting Into Mutual Aid 53:37 What The Book Covers 53:51 Gen Z Army Consensus 56:48 Against The State Explained 01:02:44 Tech Mill And Critique 01:12:51 Internationalism And Unity 01:14:18 No Monopoly on Violence 01:15:43 Revolution Under Pressure 01:18:29 Mushroom Organizing and Dual Power 01:22:22 Why Anarcho Syndicalism Declined 01:27:08 Spain Timing and Counterfactuals 01:30:16 Afterlives of the Revolution 01:35:49 Accountable Armed Formations 01:39:21 Advice for Ethical Journalists 01:42:19 Anarchist Military Innovations 01:47:22 Closing Kindness and Where to Find —------------------------------- Mentioned Media: BOOKS  📚Against The State By James Stout Support independent bookstores by purchasing with our affiliate link on through Bookshop.org. —--------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠Instagram⁠: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠Substack⁠: ⁠https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠  🔗⁠YouTube⁠: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠Patreon⁠: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod⁠ 🔗 ⁠OUR LINKS⁠: ⁠https://bio.site/thedugoutpodcast⁠ 🔗 Watch Prince Shakur  on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMgrSHWLLU4U_FnJ1u10Ug

    1h 49m
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The Dugout is a weekly Black anarchist podcast hosted by Prince Shakur & Jordan. We bring radical, decolonial, and queer takes on politics, movements, and media—covering everything from Black anarchism and Afro-pessimism to uprisings, direct action, and liberation struggles worldwide. Have ideas, reading recs, or want to be a guest? Email us. Consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheDugoutPod

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