The Devil's Details: The Evolution of the Devil through Art and Literature

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What started as an exploration of the devil in their show, The Exorcist Minute, has grown into something much greater. Find all the original episodes of the show and more right here in The Devil's Details with Lester Ryan Clark and Kynan Dias.

  1. 5d ago

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 11: The End Is By And By! (Finale)

    Letter Eleven is the last one Twain wrote, and it doesn’t end so much as stop. Satan grants that human history in all ages is red with blood and bitter with hate — but that it has always had some kind of limit. Even the church, credited with spilling more innocent blood than all the political wars put together, observed a limit. A sort of limit. But when the Lord God of Heaven and Earth goes to war there is no limit. He is totally without mercy, he who is called the fountain of mercy.We spend real time on the thirty-two thousand Midianite virgins — examined, then sold into the worst and shamefulest of slaveries by the same Father who had slaughtered their families in front of them, while they prayed to him for rescue. Twain’s point is that every desperate prayer is addressed to the one doing the thing. Satan then asks what use God had for virgins, notes his priests got a share, and brings in Père Hyacinthe’s testimony about the confessional.Then comes Minnesota, 1862 — and a warning, because it’s brutal. Twelve Indians, deeply wronged and treacherously treated by the US government, crucify a farm family. Twain describes it and then stops himself: there are indignities so atrocious that the pen cannot write them. Even Satan won’t finish the sentence. The Minnesota campaign, he says, was merely a duplicate of the Midianite raid — except the Indian was more merciful than the Father of Mercies.And then Satan asks whether you’d expect this moral bankrupt to become a teacher of gentleness and purity. It looks impossible. But listen to him. And he quotes the Beatitudes in full, with no commentary, before the last line Twain ever wrote in this book: they ought always to be read from the pulpit alongside Numbers and Deuteronomy, so the congregation gets an all-around view of our Father in Heaven. Yet not in a single instance has he ever known a clergyman to do it.This is the last episode of our Twain season, and the last for a little while. Come find us finishing Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at Once — we’ll announce the next devil there.The Devil’s Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

  2. Oct 18

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 10: Satan Goes To The Window, To The Wall!

    Letter Ten skips Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob entirely and goes straight for the Old Testament body count. Satan’s thesis: the old testament shows us the Deity before he got religion, the new one shows him afterward. The first time he came down to earth he brought life and death. The second time, he brought hell.Death, Satan argues, was a mistake — not because it was cruel but because it was insufficient. It inflicted misery beautifully on the survivors, but it let the dead escape into the blessed refuge of the grave. A way had to be found to pursue them beyond the tomb. The Deity worked on this for four thousand years without success, then came down, became a Christian, and his mind cleared. Everyone believes he was harsh in heaven and became gentle as Jesus Christ — whereas it was as Jesus Christ that he invented hell.Then Satan starts quoting Numbers, and the rest of the episode is us reading the Midianite massacre out loud and reacting in real time. Kill every male among the little ones. Keep the rest for yourselves. Seventy-two thousand beeves. The biblical law says thou shalt not kill; the law of God written in the heart of man says thou shalt kill; and if God himself wrote the commandment, then plainly he can’t keep it.And then there’s the wall. Satan speculates the Midianites must have done something trivial to earn extermination — maybe someone had been pissing against the wall. A person could piss against a tree, piss on his mother, piss on his own breeches and get off, but he must not piss against the wall. We assumed Twain invented this. He did not. It’s First Kings 14:10, word for word. We also work out what it actually means, which reframes the massacre passages completely.The Devil’s Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

  3. Oct 11

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 9: Three's Company, Foresight's A Crowd!

    Letter Nine is the shortest letter yet, and it wraps up Noah in about two pages. The Ark continues its voyage, compassless and uncontrolled, the sport of random winds and swirling currents, and the rain keeps falling at a hundred and twenty inches a day — ten feet — for forty days and forty nights, until every hill four hundred feet high is submerged and the heavens and even the angels go dry. No more water was to be had. As a universal flood, Satan says, it was a disappointment. But there had been heaps of universal floods before, as witnessed by all the Bibles of all the nations, and this was as good as the best one.The ConversationWe dig into the two arguments Twain packs into this tiny letter. The first is that every culture on earth has a flood story, and Twain's Satan treats them all as equally valid and equally unimpressive — Gilgamesh's flood was fine, this one was fine, nobody's flood was special. We work through why that might be: whether it's the same event remembered differently, whether early civilizations were simply codifying their stories during a period when flooding was the thing most likely to kill them, or whether every creation myth eventually writes itself into a corner and needs a mechanism to explain why there are no giants or unicorns anymore. Mommy, daddy, where did they all go? The flood. Don't look back any further than the flood.The second argument is the one that stings. The Ark lands on Ararat, seventeen thousand feet up, the living freight disembarks, and in a single sentence Noah plants a vineyard, drinks the wine, and is overcome. This person, Satan notes, had been selected from all the populations because he was the best sample there was. He was to start the human race on a new basis. This was the new basis. The promise was bad. Now was the time to do with these people what had been so judiciously done with the others — drown them. Anybody but the Creator would have seen this. And if it's true that God foresaw everything from the beginning of time, then he foresaw Adam and Eve eating the apple, foresaw that their posterity would have to be drowned, foresaw that Noah's posterity would be just as unendurable, and foresaw that he'd eventually have to come down and be crucified to save the same tiresome human race again. Granting all that, the pulpit is granting that in the matter of intellect the Deity is the head pauper of the universe.We also sit with the Noah's-drunkenness problem, which neither of us has ever found a satisfying explanation for. If Noah wasn't a real person, then the story isn't a neutral record of a real man's flaws — it's a deliberate choice, which means it has to be teaching something. And whatever that lesson was, the culture that held it has been separated from us by enough centuries that we can't see it anymore.We Also DiscussThree's Company, and the realization that neither of us could correctly remember the premise of a show we both grew up withWhether there's a haunted apartment discount, a gay discount, and critically, a gay ghost discountKynan's house, where a previous owner may have died, which produced no reduction in price whatsoever, and whose walk-in closet is reportedly larger than Lester's bedroomCorporeal form dysmorphia, and whether the afterlife adds ten pounds or six feetWhy Las Vegas has no basements, and what hardpan does during a flash floodThe Egyptians building snakes into their afterlife because snakes were the thing most likely to kill them, and English folklore building wolves into everything for the same reasonTwain's line that only Roman Catholics with a priest handy to sandpaper their souls at the last gasp stand any real chance, and here and there a Presbyterian — a word Kynan still refuses to look up because the syllables are funnier unexaminedLinksThe Devil's Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

  4. Oct 4

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 8: Satan Is The GOAT!

    Letter Eight opens with Satan's flattest verdict yet: man is, without any doubt, the most interesting fool there is, also the most eccentric. He hasn't a single written law in his Bible or out of it which has any purpose but to limit or defeat the law of God. And to prove it, Satan reaches for two animals.Temperament, he says, is the law of God written in the heart of every creature, and it must be obeyed. Lust is the dominant feature of the goat's, and the goat obeys the whole day long in the rutting season without stopping to eat or drink. If the Bible commanded the goat not to fornicate, even sap-headed man would see how foolish that is — yet he puts all men under the identical prohibition, when by temperament many men are goats and others are tortoises. And Twain's tortoise is the funniest thing in the letter: that cold, calm Puritan, who takes a treat only once in two years, falls asleep in the middle of it, and doesn't wake up for sixty days. The goat earns punishment. The tortoise earns praise, for doing nothing.The commandment gets the same treatment. It makes no distinction between children at birth and men of a hundred, so it lands hardest on the people most capable of breaking it and not at all on the ones who couldn't if they tried — and those are the ones who get congratulated, which is nonsense, because even the Bible knows that if the oldest veteran there got his lost heyday back for an hour he'd throw that commandment to the winds.Then the letter goes somewhere we truly did not expect, and we spend the back half of the episode working through Twain's argument that human sexual law is precisely backwards — and that the person with everything at stake in the matter should be the one writing it, rather than the immeasurable hog who has nothing at stake worth considering and makes it himself anyway. Twain closes by proposing two editions of these letters: one unedited for Bible readers and their children, the other expurgated for persons of refinement.The Devil's Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

  5. Sep 27

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 7: Noah And His Family Get Hooked!

    Letter Seven finds Noah's family aboard and saved — if that could be called an advantage, Satan says, since no intelligent person over sixty would consent to live his life again. They were saved, but they were not comfortable, for they were full of microbes. Full to the eyebrows, obese with them, distended like balloons. Enough had to be preserved to supply future races with desolating diseases, and there were only eight people aboard to serve as hotels.Typhoid, cholera, lockjaw, consumption, black plague, and hundreds of other aristocrats — golden bearers of God's love to man — all sumptuously housed in the lungs, the heart, the brain, and particularly the guts, where the great intestine was the favorite resort. They gathered by countless billions and sang hymns of praise, and at night when it was quiet you could hear the soft murmur of it. Their principal hymn: Constipation, constipation, the joyful sound proclaim, till man's remotest entrail shall praise its Maker's name.Then it turns. Many poor people go barefoot because they can't afford shoes, and the Creator saw his opportunity. He always has his eye on the poor — nine-tenths of his disease inventions were meant for them. You can tell because one of the pulpit's favorite names for him is the Friend of the Poor, and the pulpit never pays him a compliment with a vestige of truth in it. When science exterminates a disease that's been working for God, God gets the credit. He is the slowest mover in the universe, and in all history never thought of a noble deed first — he always arrives just after somebody else did it, and annexes the dividend. The hookworm cure was going to cost a million dollars, and God was just reaching for his wallet when Mr. Rockefeller pushed in ahead of him.The letter closes with a convert who asks his priest how to be worthy of his new faith and is told to imitate his Father in Heaven. He studies his Bible thoroughly and does exactly that. The results are catastrophic. When he reports back, the priest changes the subject and asks what kind of weather he's having up his way.The Devil's Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

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    Tim Curry Tribute

    A while back we covered Ridley Scott's Legend over on our bonus feed — Tim Curry as the Lord of Darkness, twelve feet of horns and somehow still the most charming thing in the movie. We've moved that episode over to the regular feed, free for everybody.He was everywhere, and he was part of all our lives. Hexxus to Pennywise. Rooster to Richelieu. Frank N. Furter to Forte, the evil talking pipe organ. He was Long John Silver and Captain James Hook, two of fiction's greatest pirates. In The Worst Witch, which is where Lester first saw him, he showed us that anything can happen on Halloween. His voice and his presence were unmistakable, and his Lord of Darkness is the perfect fantasy devil — equal parts scary and sexy, as only Tim Curry can do.So go watch Legend if you haven't, or rewatch it if it's been a while. There are a lot of different versions out there, because Ridley Scott. But the best version will always be the one with the most Tim Curry. Thank you, Mr. Curry, for filling our lives with joy, and for making us laugh, cry, and shiver with anticipation.The Devil's Details show page/archiveLearn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more.Banana for Scale Facebook GroupCheck out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts: Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist MinuteConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X

  7. Sep 20

    Letters From The Earth, Letter 6: Waiter! There's a Fly In My Ark!

    Letter Six opens with the funniest sentence in the book: "On the third day, about noon, it was found that a fly had been left behind." The Ark turns around. Sixteen days of searching follow, and the fly is recovered and welcomed aboard with hymns of praise, the family standing uncovered out of reverence for its divine origin. It had not lacked for food — the multitudinous corpses had furnished it in rank and rotten richness.Satan insists this was no accident. Without that one housefly, the repopulated world would have gone without typhoid fever — a disease he admires because it can wreck a patient without killing him, restoring him to his feet with a long life ahead and yet deaf, dumb, blind, crippled, and idiotic. Billions of sickbeds stocked, billions of cemeteries recruited, all from one fly, foreordained from the dawn of creation.Then Satan hands over the key to the whole Bible God: jealousy. Among humans it ranks as a weakness, a trademark of small minds, a thing the smallest mind will lyingly deny. And here is God announcing it outright — I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God — which Satan says is only another way of saying: I am a small God, and fretful about small things.The letter ends with the harshest passage in the book so far. Every mechanism of the human body has an enemy planned for it by the Creator. Not one has been overlooked. They are an organized army, a besieging army, moving by squad and company and regiment. It is the Creator's Grand Army, and he is the commander in chief. And man's chiefest pet name for his ferocious commander in chief is Our Father in Heaven.We also get into whether we should eradicate mosquitoes now that we can, the Euthyphro problem explained via a turkey sandwich, and why this letter reads less like blasphemy and more like an old man's grief.The Devil's Details show page/archiveBanana for Scale Facebook GroupConnect with Kynan on Instagram or LetterboxdConnect with Lester on Facebook, Instagram, or X --- Learn more about supporting this podcast by becoming a member. It's just $5/month or $55/year. Visit our website to learn more. Check out the other podcasts in the Banana for Scale family of podcasts:Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All at OnceThe Exorcist Minute

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What started as an exploration of the devil in their show, The Exorcist Minute, has grown into something much greater. Find all the original episodes of the show and more right here in The Devil's Details with Lester Ryan Clark and Kynan Dias.

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