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Welcome to The Agency Insider Podcast, hosted by Navneet Kaushal, CEO of PageTraffic. Explore insider tips, strategies, and stories from the digital marketing and agency world. Each episode features conversations with industry leaders, successful entrepreneurs, and innovative thinkers, offering valuable insights and practical advice on SEO, marketing, and business growth. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur, seasoned marketer, or agency professional, tune in to elevate your skills and achieve success in the dynamic digital landscape.

  1. 2D AGO

    Is Your Brand Invisible to AI? The Data Every Agency Needs to Know with Tom Wells Peec AI

    Get Your Free SEO Audit and 30 mins consultation at https://www.pagetraffic.com/request-quote.php 700 million people now use ChatGPT weekly. Perplexity processes 30 million queries daily. Google AI Mode has rolled into 180+ countries. And yet most brands have no idea whether they are visible or invisible in these AI conversations. In this episode of The Agency Insider Show, I sit down with Tom Wells — former Head of AI Research at SEMrush and now AI Researcher at PKI — one of the most data-rigorous minds in the GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) space. Tom breaks down exactly how AI search ranking works, what the data actually says, and what agencies and brands need to do right now. Here's what we cover:🔹 Why only 25% of results overlap between ChatGPT and Perplexity for the same query🔹 The gap analysis strategy to get cited where your competitors already are🔹 How ChatGPT query fanouts have doubled in word count since October — and what it means🔹 How to track and correct wrong AI information about your brand🔹 3 bold predictions for AI search by 2027🔹 The difference between content being "retrieved" vs actually "cited" by AI🔹 Which AI platform to prioritize first — and why it's not always ChatGPT🔹 B2B vs B2C differences in AI visibility strategy If your agency is helping clients navigate AI search — or if your brand is trying to show up in ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google AI Mode — this episode is essential listening.

    1 hr

  2. FEB 13

    From Rank 30 to #2: How Long-Tail Local SEO Doubled Case Volume | 20M Data Points with Eean Ovens

    How do you take a law firm from rank 30 to #2 across an entire metro and double their case volume? Eean Ovens, CEO of Agency Assassins, has tested local SEO strategies across 2,000+ active campaigns with 20 million data points—and discovered that long-tail keywords are the secret revenue drivers most agencies completely ignore. In this episode of The Agency Insider Show, we break down: 🎯 THE CASE STUDY: - Law firm went from rank 30 → #2 for "law firm for car accident" across entire Denver metro - Case volume DOUBLED using long-tail keyword strategy - Client scaled from $15K/month to $25K/month 📊 THE DATA-DRIVEN INSIGHTS: - Why long-tail keywords drive more revenue than competitive head terms - The 160-keyword framework: branded, money keywords, and 100+ long-tail terms - Counterintuitive CTR truth: DECREASE traffic when rankings drop (not increase) - What 20 million data points reveal about Google Maps ranking - How to see algorithm changes 8 hours before they hit Facebook groups 🚀 SYSTEMS & SCALING: - From $2M bankruptcy to $1M agency: brutal lessons learned - "Everything is your job" - the mindset shift from CTO to CEO - Joy Hawkins' experimental approach to process vs. talent - Custom GPT architecture that removes guesswork from campaigns 🤖 AI & THE FUTURE: - Why local SEO is dodging AI's bullets (and how long it will last) - What businesses should do NOW to get recommended by LLMs - Optimizing for ChatGPT, Perplexity, and other AI search platforms Perfect for agency owners, local SEO practitioners, and anyone building data-driven, systematic operations 🎙️ ABOUT THE AGENCY INSIDER SHOW: Hosted by Navneet Kaushal, Founder & CEO of PageTraffic (23-year AI-first SEO agency serving 10,000+ clients across 36+ countries). We unpack what actually drives growth for agencies and businesses beyond surface-level tactics. ⏱️ CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Can Long-Tail Keywords Really Double Your Case Volume? 1:15 - How Does Someone Go From Construction to Running 2,000 SEO Campaigns? 3:46 - Did You Really Sell SEO Before Knowing How to Do It? 6:02 - What Can Physical Operations Teach Digital Marketers? 8:04 - Why Do Systems Fail Without Process? 10:16 - Are You the Primary Asset in Your Business? (The E-Myth Problem) 14:41 - How Does a $2M Business End Up in Bankruptcy? 19:42 - What Does "Everything Is My Job" Really Mean? 19:55 - What Do 20 Million Data Points Actually Reveal? 21:40 - Should You DECREASE Traffic When Rankings Drop? 24:43 - What's the 160-Keyword Strategy? 25:08 - 🔥 How Do You Go From Rank 30 to #2 and Double Case Volume? 26:48 - How Do You Choose Your 160 Keywords? 28:55 - What Makes Agency Assassins Different From Other CTR Tools? 33:26 - How Do You Detect Google Changes 8 Hours Before Everyone Else? 37:49 - What Are the Non-Negotiable Elements of Your SOP Framework? 40:28 - What's Google's Biggest Challenge Today? 43:42 - How Does Joy Hawkins Track Every SEO Action as an Experiment? 47:24 - How Did You Scale to $1M Without Everything Breaking? 49:38 - What Does Your Custom GPT Actually Do? 51:51 - Where Does AI Fail in Local SEO? 52:11 - Why Has Local SEO Survived the AI Revolution? 56:26 - What Should Businesses Do NOW to Get Recommended by LLMs? 59:41 - What Is "Search Everywhere Optimization"? 1:05:46 - What's the Best Book You Read This Year? 1:06:29 - What's One Tool Every Local SEO Agency Needs? 1:06:55 - What's the Biggest Waste of Money You See Agencies Making? 1:07:20 - Which Hire Changed Everything for Your Business? 1:07:51 - What's the Most Overhyped SEO Tactic Right Now? 1:08:11 - If You Started Over Tomorrow with $10K, What Would You Do? 1:09:23 - What's Your Final Advice for Agency Owners? #LocalSEO #LongTailKeywords #GoogleMaps #SEOCaseStudy #AgencyGrowth

    1h 10m

  3. FEB 5

    The Complete Koray Tugberk Interview: AI Agents, Semantic SEO & Fortune 500 Secrets (90 Min)

    Get Your Free SEO Audit and 30 mins consultation at https://www.pagetraffic.com/request-quote.php When Google's API leak revealed a "topical authority module" inside their algorithm, it confirmed what Koray Tugberk Gubur had been teaching for years.In this 90-minute deep dive, Koray breaks down:→ How Google's API leak validated semantic SEO→ AI agents and the future of content creation→ Why he never uses contact forms or attends conferences→ The topical map matrix framework→ Fortune 500 vs SMB agency realities→ Entity-attribute-value relationships→ How black hat SEOs knew more than corporate teams→ Building a $1M course with 8,000 waitlist→ Why cannibalization still matters (despite what others say)→ The sister Maria ranking case study (you won't believe this one)Koray Tugberk Gubur is the creator of the topical authority framework and CEO of Holistic SEO & Digital. Called "the most important SEO theoretician since Bill Slawski," he's published 400+ case studies and serves Fortune 500 companies from Istanbul and NYC.This isn't SEO tips—this is how Google really works.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:00:00 - Introduction: The SEO Theoretician02:30 - The Journey: Losing 3,000 Sites & Going to the Army05:45 - Black Hat vs White Hat: What Corporate SEOs Don't Know10:15 - Building Without Marketing: No Contact Forms, No Conferences15:20 - The Topical Authority Shift: 2023 vs 202620:10 - Google's API Leak: The Validation Moment25:30 - Fortune 500 Reality: Bureaucracy & Implementation32:15 - The $1M Course: 8,000 Person Waitlist Story38:45 - AI Agents & Content at Scale: Where's the Line?45:20 - The Topical Map Matrix Framework Explained52:10 - Entity-Attribute-Value Relationships58:30 - Why SMBs Are Better Clients Than Fortune 5001:04:15 - The Sister Maria Case Study (Bizarre Google Ranking)1:10:45 - Cannibalization Still Matters (Bad Advice Warning)1:15:20 - Google Patents & Algorithmic Authorship1:20:30 - What Can't Be Automated in Semantic SEO1:25:10 - Rapid Fire: Best Bad Advice, Biggest Waste of Time1:28:45 - Final Thoughts & Where to Find Koray#SEO #TopicalAuthority #SemanticSEO #KorayTugberk #AIAgents #GoogleAPILeak #HolisticSEO #AgencyInsiderShow

    1h 28m

  4. JAN 29

    Stop Tracking Prompts: The AI Optimization Mistake 90% of Agencies Make | Dixon Jones

    🚨 Stop tracking AI prompts. You're optimizing for the wrong thing. Dixon Jones (Majestic founder, InLinks CEO, Entity SEO author) reveals why 90% of agencies are approaching AI optimization backwards—and what actually works in 2026. 🎯 KEY TAKEAWAYS: - Why prompt tracking = vanity metrics [3:25] - How mentions now beat links for AI visibility [19:15] - The "infinite prompts problem" nobody's talking about [6:16] - Measuring entity influence when rankings don't exist [28:06] - First thing agencies should change tomorrow [52:01] 🔥 BEST QUOTE: "Prompt tracking is telling you vanity stuff. Topic analysis in an LLM is a proactive metric." - Dixon Jones 📚 RESOURCES: - Free PDF: Dixon's "Entity SEO" book - Waiky: wake.io - InLinks: inlinks.com - Google API Leak Analysis: dixonjones.com 🎙️ ABOUT THE SHOW: The Agency Insider Show brings you unfiltered conversations with SEO leaders navigating the AI-first future. Hosted by Navneet Kaushal, CEO of PageTraffic (23 years in SEO). #SEO #AIOptimization #EntitySEO #DigitalMarketing #AgencyGrowth

    1h 3m

  5. JAN 22

    Your Agency's Analytics Are Lying to Clients (Here's How to Fix It) with Dana DiTomaso

    Get Your Free SEO Audit and 30 mins consultation at https://www.pagetraffic.com/request-quote.php "I am tired of cleaning up other agencies' bad implementations." Dana DiTomaso doesn't hold back in this episode. As a partner at Kickpoint and lead instructor with 14,000+ newsletter subscribers, she's seen it all—and she's here to help agencies stop making the same costly mistakes. In this conversation, Dana reveals: Why agencies set up "contact page views" as conversions (and how clients eventually discover the lie)The agencies that survived 2008—and what they did differentlyHow to prove ROI when traffic is declining but conversions are upThe "mystery voices clause" that protects your projects from scope creepWhy monthly reporting is broken (and what to do instead)How to communicate bad news without losing client trustThis isn't theory. Dana walks through real client scenarios, actual contract clauses, and the frameworks she uses daily at Kickpoint to build trust and retain clients long-term. 🎯 TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro: The Analytics Problem Agencies Won't Admit0:32 - Dana's Journey from SEO to Analytics3:34 - Why Dana is "Tired of Cleaning Up Bad Implementations"6:02 - Teaching Agencies What She's Learned (KP Playbook)8:10 - Shifting from "More Views" to Actual Business Outcomes10:14 - The 2008 Lesson: Agencies Must Prove Value11:26 - Reporting as Communication, Not a Data Dump12:32 - The "Contact Page Conversion" Scandal14:05 - Handling Inherited Analytics Setups16:28 - The Economics of Reporting18:48 - Why Agencies Over-Report (Insecurity)19:29 - Asking Clients the Right Questions21:16 - Custom Reports vs Templates23:02 - Stakeholder Mapping for Different Audiences24:00 - The "Mystery Voices Clause" in Contracts26:01 - Real Example: The Mystery Consultant28:44 - Reporting Cadence: Is Monthly Actually Right?31:28 - Who Owns Analytics Configuration?33:32 - The Analytics Maturity Model35:16 - The 30-Day Audit Process38:02 - What Dana Looks for Beyond "GA4 Installed Correctly"40:12 - Google Tag Manager vs Other Solutions42:28 - The Art of Communicating Results46:37 - Communicating Ambiguity and Uncertainty49:44 - Delivering Bad News Without Damaging Relationships52:51 - When Clients Don't Trust the Data56:56 - Reading the Room (or Zoom)1:00:04 - When Clients Push Back on Your Analysis1:02:57 - Final Thoughts & Resources 📊 DANA'S RESOURCES: Get 20% off Dana's courses with code "INSIDER":→ https://kpplaybook.com/all-courses/ International pricing available (up to 85% off):→ https://kpplaybook.com/parity-pricing/ Free GA4 Audit Dashboard:→ https://kpplaybook.com/resources/google-analytics-4-audit/ Analytics Maturity Framework:→ https://kpplaybook.com/resources/the-analytics-maturity-framework/ KP Playbook Newsletter (14,000+ subscribers):→ https://kpplaybook.com 🎙️ ABOUT THE AGENCY INSIDER SHOW: Hosted by Navneet Kaushal, Founder & CEO of PageTraffic (est. 2002), an AI-first SEO agency serving 10,000+ clients across 36+ countries. Each episode brings you tactical insights from industry leaders to help you build a more profitable, sustainable agency.

    1h 5m

  6. JAN 15

    How AI Killed 58% of Google Clicks: The Agency Survival Guide for 2026 | Mark Kelly, Founder AI Ireland

    Did you know that AI has revolutionized search engine rankings, with 58% of Google searches no longer leading to clicks? In this video, Mark Kelly, founder of AI Ireland, reveals how AI is reshaping SEO strategies and shares a survival guide for agencies navigating the digital landscape in 2026. Learn how modern AI tools can help you optimize for generative engines, adapt to this seismic shift, and drive more organic traffic to achieve a #1 ranking.We discuss actionable insights for agency owners, marketers, and business leaders, including practical AI workflows, harnessing GPTs and agents, and transforming outdated SEO approaches to stay competitive in a world where traditional blue links are no longer effective. This step-by-step guide is perfect for anyone looking to future-proof their business, rank higher in search results, and thrive in the AI-driven era.Want to transform your agency and stay ahead of the curve? Watch now for expert advice, strategies, and the tools you need to succeed. Don’t forget to subscribe for more game-changing insights!#aiandseo #googlesearchclicktrends #aiprojectsuccessfactors #futureofdigitalmarketing #ailiteracyinbusinessCHAPTERS:00:00 - Intro01:23 - What Inspired Mark’s Journey in AI?08:27 - What Are the Biggest Misconceptions Leaders Have About AI?14:38 - How Can You Determine If an AI Project Will Deliver ROI?16:36 - What Are the Most Common Mistakes in AI Implementations?18:14 - Do Agency Owners Make Different Mistakes Than Enterprises in AI?19:38 - Which AI Investments Are Paying Off for Service Businesses?22:12 - Where Should Agencies Focus Their AI Investments?26:54 - How Can You Encourage Teams to Adapt to AI?29:30 - What Is the Biggest Waste of Money in AI?35:30 - How Do You Prepare for the AI Agent Revolution?39:27 - What Will the Agency Org Chart Look Like in 2027?47:20 - How Can Non-Technical People Excel at AI Prompting?49:25 - How Can You Teach Technical People to Communicate Effectively?51:30 - Is There a Prompting Skill Gap Among Executives?52:30 - What Are Your Predictions for AI in 2026?55:46 - What Should Agency Owners Do Right Now to Prepare?56:40 - Wrap-up

    57 min

  7. JAN 8

    AI Search Reality Check: Why Ranking #1 in Google Doesn't Matter Anymore | James Berry, LLMrefs

    Ranking #1 on Google in 2026 might not be what you think. In this video, "AI Search Reality Check: Why Ranking #1 in Google Doesn't Matter Anymore," we dive into the shifting landscape of SEO and AI optimization. Discover why traditional rank tracking tools are no longer enough and learn actionable strategies to adapt to the world of AI-driven search engines like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity. Learn how to optimize for AI search visibility, track brand mentions effectively, and understand the importance of citations, factual accuracy, and content clarity in shaping AI perception. Whether you're an SEO agency owner or a marketer, this episode breaks down how AI search can drive organic traffic and boost your rankings while reshaping the way brands approach search engine optimization.If you’re ready to stay ahead in SEO, master AI search strategies, and transform your approach to ranking, hit play now! Don’t forget to subscribe and share with your team. Let’s shape the future of search together.#aiseo #aivisibility #marketingtools #llmtechnology #aicitations#aicitations #aiseo #googleranking #dataanalysis #seostrategiesCHAPTERS:00:00 - Intro01:40 - What is AI SEO04:05 - Fundamental Shift in AI Search08:26 - Importance of Technical SEO for AI11:20 - LLM Refs Bootstrapped Explained13:47 - LLM Refs vs Competitors17:09 - Tracking Brand Presence with LLM Refs20:25 - Is Sentiment Analysis Overrated?22:40 - Understanding LLM Visibility23:45 - LLM Visibility Dynamics28:28 - Adding AI Visibility Optimization to Services30:40 - Rethinking Reporting for Agencies31:42 - Key Signals for AI Perception36:00 - Importance of Clarity in AI37:22 - PR's Role in AI Model Influence38:37 - Brands Optimizing Content for AI39:50 - Effectiveness of Listicles42:29 - Content Audit Framework for AI44:27 - Prioritizing AI Platforms45:33 - Technical SEO Setup for AI48:46 - AI Crawability Issues52:30 - Future of SEO Agencies in AI World

    56 min

  8. JAN 2

    The Complete Local SEO Masterclass - GBP, Map Pack Rankings, Multi-Location With Greg Gifford

    Get Your Free SEO Audit and 30 mins consultation at https://www.pagetraffic.com/request-quote.php Is your local SEO strategy actually working, or are you making the same mistakes as 90% of agencies? Watch this comprehensive masterclass with Greg Gifford (COO at Search Lab) to discover what ACTUALLY ranks in Google's map pack, the shocking truth about LLM optimization, and why Google's new AI is calling your local business clients right now! Join Navneet Kaushal and local SEO expert Greg Gifford as they break down exclusive findings from the largest personal injury local SEO study ever conducted (20 cities analyzed), reveal why most GBP suspension recoveries fail, and share the "Matrix Audit" strategy that stops generic client pitches. Whether you're managing local SEO for a single location or scaling multi-location strategies, this episode delivers data-driven insights and proven methodologies that move the needle. Greg brings 20+ years of local SEO expertise, including 8 years managing 1500+ automotive dealership websites, to reveal what's working NOW in local search. From the 60-minute "timer of doom" killing business profiles to the review "Jedi mind trick" that drives better rankings, this isn't theory—it's battle-tested strategy from the frontlines of local SEO. Perfect for agency owners scaling local SEO services, multi-location business operators, and anyone serious about dominating map pack rankings in 2025 and beyond. Want personalized help to rank your local business #1 in the map pack? Don't wait—take control of your local SEO strategy today! #LocalSEO #GoogleBusinessProfile #MapPackRankings #GregGifford #MultiLocationSEO #GBPOptimization #LocalSearchMarketing #SEO2025 ABOUT GREG GIFFORD: Greg Gifford is the COO at Search Lab with over 20 years of experience in local SEO. He spent 8 years in automotive SEO, managing local search strategies for 1500+ dealerships at Dealer.com and DealerOn. Greg is the creator of the 3D Local SEO Framework (Website, GBP, Reviews) and is known for his data-driven approach to local search optimization. He's a top-rated speaker at conferences including BrightonSEO, LocalU, and Chiang Mai SEO Conference. ABOUT THE AGENCY INSIDER SHOW: The Agency Insider Show is hosted by Navneet Kaushal, Founder & CEO of PageTraffic, a search marketing agency established in 2002. With over 10,000 clients served across 36+ countries and 23 years of SEO experience, Navneet interviews industry leaders to bring actionable insights for agency owners and SEO practitioners. RESOURCES MENTIONED: → Search Lab: https://www.searchlabdigital.com/ → Culture Index: https://www.cultureindex.com/ → Places Scout: https://placesscout.com/ → White Spark: https://whitespark.ca/ → Bright Local: https://www.brightlocal.com/

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Welcome to The Agency Insider Podcast, hosted by Navneet Kaushal, CEO of PageTraffic. Explore insider tips, strategies, and stories from the digital marketing and agency world. Each episode features conversations with industry leaders, successful entrepreneurs, and innovative thinkers, offering valuable insights and practical advice on SEO, marketing, and business growth. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur, seasoned marketer, or agency professional, tune in to elevate your skills and achieve success in the dynamic digital landscape.

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  • Creator
    Navneet Kaushal
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    90
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    © Navneet Kaushal
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