The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast

Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir
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Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.

  1. FEB 27

    Neutrality is not Neutral

    Episode 62 explores why leaders who avoid taking a stance often unintentionally reinforce the status quo and weaken trust. Kristen and Sylvia argue that silence in moments of consequence is not peaceful — it’s permissive. Through stories from law enforcement and organizational life, they unpack how neutrality can look like calm but is often self-protection that drains energy, mutes critical thinking, and signals an unwillingness to make hard decisions, leaving others to fill the vacuum. Running alongside the conversation is Sylvia’s heroic battle with a cough that keeps trying to filibuster the episode — a scratchy-throated reminder that even when your voice is under attack, using it still matters.

    41 min

  2. FEB 13

    A Flaw disguised as a Virtue

    Episode 61 centers on the quiet but powerful challenge of asking for help, as Kristen and Sylvia reflect on moments when support arrived by chance rather than intention—and why that happens so often for leaders. Through deeply personal stories, they unpack the barriers that keep people silent: identity tied to self-reliance, fear of burdening others, shame, control, pride, and long-ingrained beliefs that vulnerability equals weakness. Framed as a “flaw disguised as a virtue,” not asking for help robs others of the purpose and meaning that comes from being there for someone. The episode challenges listeners to rethink strength, detach identity from role, ask earlier rather than at a breaking point, and adopt a simple, courageous practice—identify one trusted person and ask, “Can you help me think this through?”—as an act of leadership in action.

    36 min

  3. JAN 30

    Competetive Suffering

    In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen and Sylvia kick off a “fresh start” conversation about the communication habits leaders should leave behind. Using a recent article as a springboard, they explore how over-reliance on AI, hyper-efficiency, and passive behaviors like leaving people “on read” quietly erode trust and connection. With humor and candor, Kristen and Sylvia make the case for imperfect, human communication—embracing authenticity, warmth, and intention over polish—reminding leaders that credibility is built not through templates and tools, but through presence, clarity, and real human fingerprints.

    48 min

  4. JAN 16

    You're Doing My Eulogy

    In this deeply personal episode, Kristen and Sylvia explore what happens when titles fall away and humanity steps forward. Drawing from a frightening hospital experience, Kristen reflects on the unexpected power of strangers who choose to care—specifically a doctor who made the choice to go above and beyond, as opposed to simply “doing her job." Together, Kristen and Sylvia unpack over-delivery, compassion fatigue, and the risk/reward tension of kindness, challenging leaders in every field to recognize the profound impact of how they show up in another person’s worst moment.

    44 min

  5. JAN 4

    'Tis the Ryan Holiday Season

    Episode 58 finds Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir digging into Stoic philosophy through the accessible lens of Ryan Holiday, with a practical focus on leadership and daily life. Drawing from Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, James Clear, and others, they explore Holiday’s three core pillars—journaling, reading, and stillness—as tools for self-examination rather than self-expression. Kristen shares how writing helps her slow down thinking, confront reactivity, and gain clarity, while Sylvia connects Stoic practices to small, consistent actions that build well-being over time. Together, they emphasize that leadership growth doesn’t come from grand gestures, but from simple, disciplined habits practiced daily—inviting listeners to pick just one pillar and start.

    49 min

  6. 12/19/2025

    Bad Ass Dallas Daddy

    In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Sylvia Moir and Kristen Ziman bring in producer Ted Madden to talk about habits, discipline, and the small actions that shape behavior. Inspired by James Clear’s ideas about systems over goals, the conversation explores how real change comes from consistent choices rather than sudden breakthroughs. They share personal examples — from workout routines to two-minute cold plunges — to show how leaders can build resilience through steady, intentional practice.

    37 min

  7. 12/07/2025

    Adam Grant Thruple

    In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, former police chiefs Sylvia Moir and Kristen Ziman talk about their experience at the World Business Forum 2025, where speakers left them energized in different ways. Brené Brown’s message about turning values into action anchors the discussion, and they note how Adam Grant’s outlook on growth and curiosity pushed their thinking further. They also describe how Seth Godin’s ideas gave them a fresh angle on leadership. The hosts share personal moments when being open felt risky but necessary, and they explain how honest conversations and value-driven decisions build trust and strengthen teams.

    41 min

  8. 10/03/2025

    Sweet Home Chicago

    In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the challenges leaders face when social and political controversies land at their doorstep. Using Jimmy Kimmel’s recent cancellation, a Chicago suburb’s flag-lowering dispute, and the famous Tempe “Dump Starbucks” incident, they discuss how leaders decide when to speak up, when to stay silent, and how to engage their teams during polarizing events. Their key message: leaders must give people a voice—without surrendering the responsibility to lead—and communicate their reasoning with courage, transparency, and respect.

    36 min
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Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.

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