In this conversation, Dr Frances Mei Hardin shares with Host Dr Saba Fatima, her journey from being a physician to exploring new career paths. She discusses the joy found in simple pleasures, the challenges faced during her medical training, and the decision to leave medicine. Frances emphasizes the importance of self-permission, overcoming shame, and the limiting mindset prevalent in the medical field. She encourages physicians to explore their identities beyond medicine and highlights the systemic issues within the healthcare system. The conversation concludes with insights on redefining success and the importance of taking ownership of one's career decisions. Frances Mei Hardin, MD, is an ENT surgeon, writer, and startup CEO whose work focuses on the hidden curriculum of medicine. She speaks with trainees and early-career physicians on practical skills rarely taught in formal training, including communication, self-advocacy, and navigating organizational dynamics. She is the co-founder of The Hippocratic Collective, a physician-led media company that advocates for cultural change in medicine via storytelling and community. Her debut memoir, Surgeon on the Edge (February 24, 2026), examines medical training from the inside out: tracing a path through burnout, reinvention, and the reclamation of agency. takeaways Leaving medicine can be a thoughtful decision. Physicians can outgrow their careers. Financial planning is crucial when leaving medicine. Expectations from family can pressure career choices. Residency experiences can significantly impact career satisfaction. The culture in medicine can lead to burnout. Shame and guilt are common feelings among physicians. Self-permission is essential for career changes. Physicians possess skills that are transferable to other fields. keywords #medicine, #careerchange , #physicianburnout , #mentalhealth , #personalgrowth , #identity , self-permission, #mindset , empowerment, work-life balance Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Journey of Leaving Medicine 07:07 The Decision-Making Process Behind Leaving Medicine 12:55 Navigating Shame and Societal Expectations 20:58 Reflections on Life After Leaving Medicine 50:58 Conclusion The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the 'Muted in Medicine' podcast or its host. The information shared is intended for educational and informational purposes only and should not be taken as professional advice. © 2024 Muted in Medicine. All rights reserved. Unauthorized use, distribution, or reproduction of this content is strictly prohibited. For permissions or inquiries, please contact mutedinmedicine@gmail.com