Product Powwow

Kevin McCullagh

Big-picture conversations with product design and innovation leaders, hosted by Kevin McCullagh, founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London. www.plan.london

Episodes

  1. 09 Tom Inns: Healthcare system design

    03/24/2025

    09 Tom Inns: Healthcare system design

    In this episode, I talk to Tom Inns, the principal at Cofink, the system mapping, facilitation and coaching consultancy.  The concept of Systems design has been around for decades. I’ve even been called a Systems Thinker a few times for my sins, but I’ve always found it a bit of an esoteric and even eccentric subject. Whenever I open a book or article on the topic, I don’t get far before being hit with dense and abstract schematics. Each author also seems to have a different approach, probably because the concept of systems is used in so many different domains, from biology and software engineering to urban planning and sociology and policy. Tom has a refreshingly straight-forward way of talking  about the topic that includes lots of analogies and metaphors, which I think makes it much  more accessible. 00:53 Career background 03:45 System design 06:40 System vs service design 10:42 What good looks like 18:35 System design process  31:47 Painting with data  36:34 Testing and learning  41:21 The craft of system design  46:21 Domain knowledge  49:11 Documentation and handover  54:40 Using maps to identify automation opportunities TOM INNES LinkedIn Website: www.cofink.co.uk Email: tom@cofink.co.uk Tom studied engineering at the University of Bristol, design at the Royal College of Art & Imperial College, London and has a PhD from Brunel University, awarded for research exploring the impact of design thinking on drivers of innovation success in small businesses. In 2000 he became Professor of Design & Head of the School of Design at the University of Dundee. He directed the AHRC/EPSRC’s UK-wide Designing for the 21st Century research initiative between 2005-2010 before becoming Dean of Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art & Design and then Director (CEO) of Glasgow School of Art from 2013 to 2018. In 2019 he established consultancy, COFINK Ltd., using design and systems thinking approaches to help individuals and organisations understand complex challenges and collaborate to develop innovative solutions. Through COFINK he was worked with a wide range of health trusts, charities, businesses, universities and research organisations across the UK, and in Europe, USA, China and Africa.  Tom also works part-time as a Research Fellow at DMEM, University of Strathclyde, (Glasgow) as a Visiting Professor at Heriot Watt University (Edinburgh & Dubai) and with Magnetic (London & Manchester) as a Design Coach for Innovate UK’s Design for Growth programme. Tom’s writing on topics discussed in the podcast: Patient_Ecosystem_Mapping_2024.pdf A paper Tom wrote in 2024 for the DMI’s Design Management Review. This describes the Patient Ecosystem Mapping methodology discussed in the podcast. Guide_to_Patient_Ecosystem_Mapping.pdf A short guide to how the Patient Ecosystem Mapping approach works and how Tom supports this approach through his consultancy COFINK Ltd. Designing_Realistic_Healthcare_Improvement_2020.pdf A paper Tom co-authored for the DMI’s Design Management Journal in 2020,  with ENT Consultant Surgeon, Rod Mountain, exploring how design thinking can help inform innovation in health and care Theatres_For_Design_Thinking_2013.pdf A paper Tom wrote for the DMI’s Design Management Journal in 2013 describing how design can support facilitation.  Other useful reading: The classic primer text on systems thinking (500,000 copies sold through multiple editions). Meadows, D. H. (2015) Thinking in Systems. Chelsea Green Publishing An interesting book that attempts to connect design thinking and systems thinking Cababa, S. (2023) Closing the Loop, Systems thinking for Designers. Rosenfield KEVIN & PLAN Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership. LinkedIn  Newsletters Website: www.plan.london Email: kevin@plan.london MUSIC By Nico Delaney https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music

    1h 2m
  2. 08 Andrew Barraclough: Maximising design’s business impact

    03/06/2025

    08 Andrew Barraclough: Maximising design’s business impact

    In this episode, I talk to Andrew Barraclough, who has held a number of corporate design leadership roles, as well as doing tours of duty in marketing and R&D and ran his own design agency. His design experience also spans industrial, packaging and digital. Partly as a result of his broad experience, he’s one of the most commercially and organizationally savvy design leaders I know. In this conversation, we talk about how to raise design’s impact on organisations, by developing a portfolio of stories, backed by appropriate metrics, to engage with stakeholders on a regular basis –  rather than chasing after the red herring of a single killer ROI number. Later on, he has sage advice on how to collect and contextualise measures from different parts of the business. We also cover his concept of ‘Design Linking’, the important internal plumbing work of connecting different design teams, initiatives, partners and stakeholders together to maximise design’s impact. 06:48 Design ROI - a red herring 12:55 Plotting a holistic design strategy  14:50 Wide and frequent stakeholder engagement  24:00 Aligning projects with stakeholders 28:57 Design Linking 37:39 Marshalling metric 43:20 Getting out of the doldrums ANDREW BARRACLOUGH LinkedIn  KEVIN & PLAN Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership. LinkedIn  Newsletters Website: www.plan.london Email: kevin@plan.london MUSIC By Nico Delaney https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music

    47 min
  3. 07 Nick Hunn: The future of ‘Hearables’

    02/20/2025

    07 Nick Hunn: The future of ‘Hearables’

    Welcome to season two of Product Powwow. In this episode, I talk to Nick Hunn, a global expert in wireless technologies and more specifically in what he calls ‘hearables’ – which are ear-based wearables. We cover a lot of ground, including audio, hearing loss, health-sensing and voice control use cases for hearables. Themes include the nuances of human perception and behaviour around this highly intimate technology, and the search for sustainable business models based on all the data wearable devices collect. This episode is on the longer side, but it was tough to edit down as Nick delivers ‘all killer, no filler’. I hope you enjoy it half as much as I did. 02:05 A brief history of wearables 03:30 In praise of ears and hearing aids 07:15 Wearables still in the 'hope bubble'   17:10 The hidden genius of hearing aid 26:30 Overcoming the stigma of hearing aids 36:15 Is Apple going to change the game 42:10 What the new Bluetooth LE standard unlock 51:10 The return of voice 57:05 Health monitoring  1:00:30 What is Apple doing with that health data? 1:04:45 The wider role of hearables in our tech ecosystem NICK HUNN Nick is technology strategist, serial entrepreneur, expert witness, keynote speaker and author with a broad view of the details of technologies, user experience and wider interplay of different market solutions. LinkedIn  Website: www.nickhunn.com KEVIN & PLAN Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership. LinkedIn  Newsletters Website: www.plan.london Email: kevin@plan.london MUSIC By Nico Delaney https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music

    1h 11m
  4. 05 Routes out of Design's Doldrums

    10/17/2024

    05 Routes out of Design's Doldrums

    Today I talk to three design industry luminaries about the current state of design and potential paths forward. They’re all seasoned hands who have ridden out a few downturns in their time and can take a long view on design from their different vantage points.  Robert Fabricant is a Social impact designer based in NYC who specialises in Healthcare and previously worked at Frog. He wrote two much-discussed articles on FastCo earlier this year, which provocatively asked if Business was breaking up with design, which partly prompted my article on Design in the Doldrums.  Sean Carney has a background in ID, and has held various design leadership roles, including being the Chief Design Officer of Philips for 15 years, so gives a highly authoritative corporate design view on the situation. Warren Hutchinson has moved from ID to UX to digital transformation design, both in-house and as a consultant, including his current consultancy, which he co-founded. 15:00 Symptoms of the Doldrums  25:15 From product to system design?   35:32 Over specialisation?  39:10 Routes out of the Doldrums  ARTICLES MENTIONED Robert Fabricant, ‘The big design freak-out: A generation of design leaders grapple with their future’, 15 February 2024, FastCompany Robert Fabricant, ‘Design leaders are in their reinvention era’, 10 April 2024, FastCompany Kevin McCullagh, ‘Why design is in the doldrums’, 18 September 2024Kevin McCullagh, DMI keynote deck, 24 September 2024   KEVIN & PLAN Kevin McCullagh is the founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London, which helps design and innovation leaders with strategic clarity. He writes and speaks on Foresight, Innovation and Leadership. LinkedIn Newsletters Website: www.plan.london Email: kevin@plan.london MUSIC By Nico Delaney https://www.instagram.com/marksson.music

    1h 5m

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Big-picture conversations with product design and innovation leaders, hosted by Kevin McCullagh, founder of Plan, a product strategy consultancy based in London. www.plan.london