I’m very excited to introduce my friend, author and illustrator Ben Lueders on a brand-new podcast from the As Told By C.S. Beaty empire. There are way more interesting people coming who you’re not going to want to miss. Subscribe to make sure you don’t miss them! Today’s guest is the guy who designed my book, (00:00:33): was in a band with me, (00:00:35): and sold me this podcast gear. (00:00:37): Author and artist, Ben Looters. (00:00:42): I don’t. (00:00:42): I bought this stuff from you and it took us two hours to do it and we didn’t make (00:00:46): it any farther. (00:00:47): And that was the story of the worst podcast purchase I’ve ever made. (00:00:53): Is this on? (00:00:53): Are you recording right now? (00:00:54): I am. (00:00:55): I mean, this may not make it to the end. (00:00:56): I got this magic audacity feature where for the next seven hours you can (00:01:00): individually cut certain things and change it and delete it. (00:01:04): It takes a really long time and it doesn’t turn out very well, but it’s awesome. (00:01:09): Oh man, I want to make sure I’m not like way over here like Bob. (00:01:12): Well, just like, should we put you in a rocking chair? (00:01:14): Because that’s how he did it. (00:01:15): Oh dude, that does sound good. (00:01:17): Yeah, he loved it. (00:01:18): When was the time you felt like a loser? (00:01:21): I didn’t (00:01:39): But I got a lot of matted fur cut out of my dog for that. (00:01:43): Well, hey, any time, bro. (00:01:46): Is that what it takes? (00:01:47): That’s the kind of show this is, just so you know. (00:01:50): It’s also the show that I’m getting really hot in this sweatshirt, so I’m going to take it off. (00:01:54): Oh, man. (00:01:54): I feel like this is why it needs to be a video podcast. (00:01:57): It is. (00:01:57): Every five minutes, Chris takes off another piece of clothing. (00:02:01): I reveal another tattoo. (00:02:04): Is that the only tattoo you... No, I got many. (00:02:09): You actually? (00:02:09): Yeah, you want me to do a naked podcast? (00:02:12): Is this going to be like the strip poker version of podcasts? (00:02:15): The thing about you, (00:02:16): Chris, (00:02:17): is like, (00:02:17): I think I know you really well, (00:02:19): but I don’t know you well enough to know sometimes when you’re joking and when (00:02:23): you’re not. (00:02:24): I never tell a lie. (00:02:26): That’s true. (00:02:27): I’m usually very odd. (00:02:28): I usually just try to frame things that makes you wonder if I’m telling the truth. (00:02:31): I think you say things that I hope you’re lying. (00:02:34): Yeah, they’re almost always true. (00:02:36): Yes, I have additional tattoos. (00:02:39): Would you like to see them? (00:02:40): Here’s one. (00:02:41): Oh, sure. (00:02:41): Here’s this one. (00:02:42): You should recognize this one. (00:02:44): Oh, that’s beautiful. (00:02:46): That’s the asterisk that I designed on the cover of your book. (00:02:50): I already told you that one’s below the belt. (00:02:52): No, (00:02:52): this is the tattoo from my wedding reception that you were at that apparently you (00:02:57): didn’t pay very good attention to. (00:02:59): Not enough to get it tattooed. (00:03:01): I have the arbitrary Greek tattoo that says, (00:03:05): hey, (00:03:05): this isn’t Greek and I don’t know what it means, (00:03:07): but it’s not Chinese, (00:03:08): so it’s trendier. (00:03:10): And then I have on my back, I have That one’s harder to do. (00:03:14): I can come over there and undress you a little bit. (00:03:17): It’s going to be hard to get on this mic here. (00:03:20): That one’s got cocaine leaves on it. (00:03:24): That’s the seal of where my kids were born. (00:03:26): And literally the outskirt of it, this is another, is he telling the truth? (00:03:29): It’s cocaine leaves. (00:03:31): Is it actually? (00:03:31): Yeah, coca leaves, not cocaine. (00:03:33): Oh, it’s because of Coca-Cola. (00:03:35): They’re big fans of Coca-Cola and Tuluwa. (00:03:38): Yeah, Tuluwa. (00:03:39): Do they make you get that when you adopt someone from there? (00:03:42): It’s part of the process. (00:03:43): It’s paperwork. (00:03:44): That’s why it takes so long. (00:03:45): Stand in line for your tattoo. (00:03:47): Yeah. (00:03:47): Yeah everyone’s got a good tattoo we adopted three kids so all of them have the matching tattoo (00:03:52): Make sure you’re a bad parent by getting a tattoo right away. (00:03:57): Literally, (00:03:57): I waited to get this tattoo until after the kids were adopted because I had this, (00:04:01): we were watching it, (00:04:02): my kids were adopted from Columbia, (00:04:03): so we had watched a lot of Narcos before we went, (00:04:06): which is all about- Is that required viewing? (00:04:08): Yeah, that’s another part of the problem. (00:04:10): That’s also why it takes so long because there’s a lot of seasons to get through. (00:04:12): And I literally thought through my head, (00:04:14): because you know they have gang tattoos and I’ve always heard people, (00:04:17): maybe not always, (00:04:17): I’ve heard that people will get gang tattoos and they’ll be like, (00:04:21): you don’t have a gang tattoo then they get like I don’t know what kind of show this (00:04:24): they get their ass kicked I don’t know what my level of if I’m gonna do the e or (00:04:27): not on this podcast we didn’t swear with Bob I think oh I’ve heard these stories (00:04:32): they like get their ass kicked for having like fake gang tattoos by real gang (00:04:35): members I don’t know if that’s an urban legend but like so my first thought was I’m (00:04:39): gonna get this tattoo of where my kids are from and find out that that’s some (00:04:43): Colombian drug cartel logo and like (00:04:47): Either that or it’s going to save your life. (00:04:50): Probably. (00:04:51): They’re going to be coming at you and you flash your tattoo. (00:04:55): And they’re going to be like, oh, he’s one of us. (00:04:57): El gringo. (00:04:58): It’s like the thing that saves you. (00:04:59): It’s like, yeah, that would be really good. (00:05:01): I just knew that I was going to be in a pool with my kids that I couldn’t speak to. (00:05:04): And they’re either going to offer me cocaine or I don’t know. (00:05:09): I’ve seen a lot of narcos and they never repeat a murder twice. (00:05:12): So I don’t know what they would come up with. (00:05:15): Oh, man. (00:05:16): So this is what podcasting is like, huh? (00:05:18): I guess so. (00:05:18): It kind of feels like just talking. (00:05:20): So far, it’s been very visual. (00:05:22): I do think this, (00:05:23): I think if you’re going to keep going in this way, (00:05:25): where you’re taking off layers of clothes, (00:05:27): you’re showing tattoos, (00:05:30): giving people questionable drinks, (00:05:33): this is something people need to see. (00:05:34): Well, (00:05:34): so far, (00:05:35): the only hookup I have with podcast equipment is you, (00:05:38): and you’ve proven yourself to not be a very good source. (00:05:41): Hey, I told you to get the right cables. (00:05:44): You got them. (00:05:44): You made it work. (00:05:45): Yeah, and (00:05:46): Those didn’t set you back too far, did they? (00:05:48): Yeah, those Amazon Basics $7 a cable really did the trick after two hours of troubleshooting. (00:05:55): All right, Ben Looters. (00:05:57): What makes you interesting? (00:05:58): Oh, man. (00:06:00): What makes me... That’s the first question? (00:06:02): No, the first question was, when did you feel like a loser? (00:06:04): And you already did that. (00:06:04): Oh, that’s true. (00:06:05): And the second question was, do you want to see all my tattoos? (00:06:07): That’s true. (00:06:08): We’re like halfway through the show. (00:06:10): We’re five minutes. (00:06:11): This is a seven-minute podcast. (00:06:12): Yeah. (00:06:13): We’re at the end where you reveal why I’m not, why I’m interesting. (00:06:17): The trick to editing this is you do everything in like reverse chronological order. (00:06:21): Oh man, what makes me interesting? (00:06:24): I mean, I think I’m like moderately interesting. (00:06:29): I think I have like, (00:06:30): when I talk to other people, (00:06:32): like I do feel like I have a pretty interesting job and like my origin story is (00:06:38): somewhat unique. (00:06:39): So I don’t know, I think I’m somewhat interesting. (00:06:42): Do you think I’m interesting, Chris? (00:06:43): I feel it’s a weird thing to be asked, like, what makes me interesting. (00:06:46): It feels like I have to, (00:06:47): like, (00:06:48): defend myself or do, (00:06:49): like, (00:06:49): the Midwestern thing where I’m like, (00:06:51): no, (00:06:51): I’m not interested. (00:06:52): Yeah, where you’re so modest that you just, you have to say I’m a very bland personality. (00:06:56): Yeah, exactly. (00:06:58): Because I think you’re very bland, (00:07:00): so I just don’t want to get into a conversation with you about your boring life. (00:07:03): Oh, man. (00:07:04): Well, no, I think you’re interesting, but I also think that, like, (00:07:07): I think that everyone’s interesting, they just don’t necessarily know it. (00:07:10): Oh, so I’m not special, is that what you’re saying? (00:07:12): No, (00:07:12): I’m saying I’m trying to decide whether or not you are, (00:07:15): and we’re going to see how this goes. (00:07:17): I will say this, (00:07:18): yes, (00:07:18): I do think you’re interesting, (00:07:19): but I also wanted to start, (00:07:20): other than the fact that you’re the only person I knew that had podcasting (00:07:23): equipment I could buy. (00:07:23): Other than that, I did want to, yeah, that part I was not aware of when I made this choice. (00