FOSIL, Education and School Libraries

Elizabeth Hutchinson

Welcome to our podcast where we hope to help you engage with the content on the FOSIL Group Website, introduce you to people using FOSIL in schools and most of all just have a conversation about the role of school librarians within education. elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

  1. Sep 1

    Inquiry as Conversation: Who Does the Thinking?

    In Part 2 of our conversation with Gabrielle Mace, we continue exploring the ideas behind Teaching Inquiry as Conversation. You can listen to Part 1 here. This time, we ask a deceptively simple question: who is actually doing the thinking? We explore what it means for students to construct knowledge rather than simply acquire information; why changing our minds in response to evidence is an important part of inquiry; and what happens when teachers provide so much support that they begin doing the intellectual work for students. We also consider how generative AI changes the information environment, and why the role of the school librarian in developing increasingly independent inquirers may matter more than ever. And, as usual, the conversation leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the questions that Gabrielle posed… 1. Inquiry as conversationA central proposition of Inquiry as Conversation is that inquiry is fundamentally conversational: with ideas, information, other people and ourselves. What becomes possible when we understand inquiry in this way, rather than primarily as a process students move through? Reference: Chapter 2, p. 15-22 2. From research process to knowledge construction When Barbara discusses the development of her model, she describes a shift from a research-driven process model towards an inquiry model grounded in constructivism and social constructivism, where learners actively construct knowledge through their experiences and interactions rather than simply acquire information. What changes in our teaching when we genuinely understand inquiry as knowledge construction rather than information acquisition? And what does the social dimension of constructivism add to that process? Reference: Chapter 3, p. 31-35 3. Revision, evidence and intellectual humilityOne idea in the book that particularly interests me is the changing relationship between the inquirer and what they think they know. In my own inquiry design, I deliberately use new evidence that can destabilise an earlier, perfectly plausible interpretation. Darryl and Barbara discuss ‘adaptability and resilience’ and the dynamic nature of inquiry requires this mindset. Is the willingness for students to say “I may have been wrong” and to reconstruct understanding when the evidence demands it, an essential disposition of genuine inquiry? Reference: Chapter 4, p.49 4. Where does inquiry reside? The book has made me think about where the intellectual work of inquiry actually resides. In The Student Detective, I deliberately create a bounded, curated information environment so that students can spend more of their time reading closely, evaluating evidence, making connections, discussing competing interpretations and constructing and revising explanations rather than formal research. How do you think about the relationship between information-seeking and these other dimensions of inquiry? Are there different ways of designing the information environment depending on the kind of inquiry thinking we are trying to develop? 5. Inquiry in the age of generative AIThe book’s argument feels particularly urgent in an environment where generative AI can provide an immediate, fluent answer and potentially remove much of the productive struggle involved in inquiry. At the same time, AI makes questions of authority, evidence, interpretation and reliability even more important. Does inquiry as conversation become more important, rather than less, in an AI-rich information environment? 6. Instructional mindset and the gradual release of skillsIn the chapter on Teaching the Skills and Attitudes of Inquiry, you and Barbara argue that before we plan instruction, we need to clarify our own instructional mindset - including what we want students to understand, how we teach through conversation rather than delivery, and ultimately how we enable students to become independent learners. You also draw on the Gradual Release of Responsibility, where the cognitive work shifts from teacher-driven, to shared, and ultimately to student-driven. What does that gradual release look like in genuine inquiry? How do we know when we’re providing the scaffolding students need, and when we’re actually doing too much of the intellectual work for them? Reference: Chapter 8, p.105 - 106 We didn’t get to this next question, so we will be discussing it in our next episode. 7. Reading as inquiry conversationYours and Barbara’s concept of inquiry as conversation has made me think differently about reading. I’ve been observing what happens when students need to read because they genuinely need the information to resolve uncertainty, including voluntarily returning to something they’ve already read because new evidence has changed its possible meaning. Do you see reading itself as an inquiry conversation, and are reading and inquiry more deeply connected than we sometimes acknowledge in schools? Links The Student Detective - A structured inquiry experience that transforms the way students read, think and collaborate. Teaching Inquiry as a Conversation: Bringing Wonder to Life by Darryl Toerien and Barbara Stripling Thanks for listening to FOSIL, Education and School Libraries! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Inquiry as Conversation: Who Does the Thinking?
  2. Aug 3

    Inquiry as Conversation: FOSIL, School Libraries and the Future of Learning

    In this episode of FOSIL, Education and School Libraries, Darryl and I are joined by Barbara Stripling to explore how inquiry learning can transform school libraries, the connections between the Stripling Model of Inquiry and FOSIL, and why conversation is central to meaningful learning. Drawing on Barbara’s 50 years of experience in school libraries and their co-authored book Teaching Inquiry as a Conversation, Barbara and Darryl discuss how inquiry moves beyond finding information towards questioning, reflection, meaning-making and personal growth. Together, they explore the connections between the Stripling Model of Inquiry and FOSIL, the importance of helping students develop their own thinking, and how school libraries can nurture curious, independent and reflective learners. The conversation also considers what inquiry means in today’s world of information abundance and AI, and why the process of thinking may be just as important as the outcome. Links: Teaching Inquiry as a conversation by Barbara Stripling and Darryl Toerien https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/teaching-inquiry-as-conversation-9798216397021/ The FOSIL Group Website https://fosil.org.uk/ Empire State Information Fluency Continuum Skills Page https://nycdoe.libguides.com/skills/skillshome Two major FOSIL Group Topics on reading/ deep reading: * Oakham T&L Workshop 2021 | Reading for Inquiry Learning (FOSIL presentation) * Reading for Inquiry Learning, especially from this post onwards This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Inquiry as Conversation: FOSIL, School Libraries and the Future of Learning
  3. Jul 13

    Four Domains of Thought (Part 2): Information and the Ability to Think

    This second part of the conversation continues through Dallas Willard’s account of cognition and intentionality, working with four interrelated domains of thought: ideas, images, information, and the capacity to think. The focus here is on information and the ability to think. The discussion considers the role of information in shaping knowledge, with a particular emphasis on the importance of accuracy, depth, and intellectual discipline. A key theme is the place of non-fiction within learning, with the argument that substantial engagement with reliable, up-to-date information is essential for developing genuine understanding. The conversation contrasts this with the fast, frictionless nature of much digital information consumption, which can undermine sustained thinking and critical engagement. The discussion also explores the challenges posed by artificial intelligence as an information source. While AI can appear efficient and authoritative, it raises serious concerns about reliability and its impact on learners’ ability to evaluate truth, context, and credibility. Across both episodes, the underlying concern is the development of the capacity to think itself, not just to receive ideas, images, and information, but to work with them in ways that build understanding rather than replace it. The episode reflects on the responsibility of educators and school libraries to create conditions in which genuine thinking is possible. Next month, we are delighted to welcome Barbara Stripling to the podcast. Do make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss this episode… Links: Robert A. Heinlein, Have space suit--Will travel (1975/78, p. 128). Douglas Knight (1921–2005), Then-President of Duke University and Chairman of the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. See ‘Foreword’ to Library services for the nation’s needs: Toward fulfillment of a national policy (1968), by the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. Jacques Maritain (1882–1973), French philosopher and political thinker (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy), See Education at the crossroads (1943/60, Yale University Press) and The education of man (1962/67, Notre Dame University Press). Dallas Willard (1935–2013), Professor Emeritus in Philosophy at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. See The unhinging of the American mind--Derrida as pretext (1999) and Ontology of knowledge course (1997). For quotations, see ‘Transforming the mind’ in Renovation of the heart (2002, NavPress). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Four Domains of Thought (Part 2): Information and the Ability to Think
  4. Jul 6

    Four Domains of Thought (Part 1): Ideas and Images

    This first part of a two-part conversation (we did honestly try to do this in one episode) explores Dallas Willard’s account of cognition and intentionality, working with four interrelated domains of thought: ideas, images, information, and the capacity to think. The focus in this episode is on ideas and images. The discussion considers how ideas shape understanding and how images often carry even greater influence, sometimes distorting or deepening meaning in ways that are not immediately visible. The conversation examines how learners encounter ideas through texts, teaching, and culture, and how those ideas are quickly translated into mental images that shape perception of the world. A central concern is the responsibility of educators and school librarians in ensuring that these early cognitive building blocks are both rich and accurate, rather than shallow or misleading. The episode also raises questions about how visual culture and digital environments can intensify the manipulation of understanding, and what it takes to slow down learning so that ideas are properly formed rather than superficially consumed. This sets the foundation for the second part of the discussion, which turns to information and the ability to think. The second part will be released next Monday. Links: Robert A. Heinlein, Have space suit--Will travel (1975/78, p. 128). Douglas Knight (1921–2005), Then-President of Duke University and Chairman of the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. See ‘Foreword’ to Library services for the nation’s needs: Toward fulfillment of a national policy (1968), by the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. Jacques Maritain (1882–1973), French philosopher and political thinker (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy), See Education at the crossroads (1943/60, Yale University Press) and The education of man (1962/67, Notre Dame University Press). Dallas Willard (1935–2013), Professor Emeritus in Philosophy at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. See The unhinging of the American mind--Derrida as pretext (1999) and Ontology of knowledge course (1997). For quotations, see ‘Transforming the mind’ in Renovation of the heart (2002, NavPress). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Four Domains of Thought (Part 1): Ideas and Images
  5. Jun 1

    Why does it Matter? How do we, as School Librarians, answer this question?

    Celebrating 3 years of chat and 15 years of friendship! Thanks to everyone for listening and making this podcast worthwhile. Today we discussed Pope Leo's first encyclical, Tolkien and our clarity of purpose. A great question or statement that stood out from this conversation is: how do we focus on what we allow our minds to dwell on… an appropriate thought in today’s world of AI and social media. After some reminiscing with Darryl, we got down to laying the foundation for our next episode, which is the school librarian's vital contribution to the educational process in terms of Dallas Willard's 4 factors involved in the domain of thought, namely, (1) ideas, (2) images, (3) information, and (4) our ability to think. Links * Keynote for the UK School Library Association 2021 Conference | Inquiry: An Educational and Moral Imperative (includes links to the IFLA School Library Guidelines and the IFLA/UNESCO School Library Manifesto). * SJSU 2026 | ALiVE Library | Teaching Inquiry as Conversation with David Loertscher now includes a link to the recording. Details of the book may be found here. * Article for The School Librarian (74:2) | Inquiry: Fundamentally Creative and Fundamental to Creativity. * Forum post with links to infographics for Magnifica Humanitas (Magnificent Humanity): On safeguarding the human person in the time of artificial intelligence. * Tolkien/ Gandalf quotation: “It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till.” * Neil Postman: “The question is not, Does or doesn’t public schooling create a public? The question is, What kind of public does it create? A conglomerate of self-indulgent consumers? Angry, soulless, directionless masses? Indifferent, confused citizens? Or a public imbued with confidence, a sense of purpose, a respect for learning, and tolerance?” * Matt Seybold’s The American Vandal podcast. “The durability of a totalitarian state depends upon systemic assaults on mass literacy followed by continuous suppression of conditions for its reemergence.” * An article for ACCESS (37:4) | Constructing an Instructional Identity and Destiny From the Stories We Tell and the Songs We Sing. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Why does it Matter? How do we, as School Librarians, answer this question?
  6. Apr 20

    Generative AI through Inquiry (Part 3)

    Welcome to FOSIL, Education and School Libraries Podcast, where Darrly Toerien and I (Elizabeth Hutchinson) talk about what we feel is important in school libraries and education now. Today’s discussion continues from last week’s podcast, which was part 2 of this conversation, where we focused on the CONNECT stage of FOSIL. This week, we focus on the INVESTIGATE and CONSTRUCT stages in relation to Gen AI. Highlighting the importance of students being able to think, write and analyse information for themselves. We cover age restrictions, duty of care and what we really want our students to engage in learning. Links talked about in this podcast * Frank Landymore, Analysis Finds That Google’s AI Overviews Are Providing Misinformation at a Scale Possibly Unprecedented in the History of Human Civilization (8 April 2026) * BBC, Largest study of its kind shows AI assistants misrepresent news content 45% of the time – regardless of language or territory (22 October 2025) * Pedro Noguera, dean of the USC Rossier School of Education, Educators should seriously consider a pause on AI in classrooms (04/09/26) * The AI School Librarian, Should Schools Pause AI? The Question We Cannot Ignore Right Now (17 April 2026) We would love to hear what you think of this podcast… Do you find it useful? Are they enjoyable? Informative? Please do comment below… share your thoughts on our discussion. What do you think Generative AI is bringing to your school? Do you have any questions you would like us to consider? All comments welcome! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    Generative AI through Inquiry (Part 3)

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Welcome to our podcast where we hope to help you engage with the content on the FOSIL Group Website, introduce you to people using FOSIL in schools and most of all just have a conversation about the role of school librarians within education. elizabethhutchinson.substack.com