This second part of the conversation continues through Dallas Willard’s account of cognition and intentionality, working with four interrelated domains of thought: ideas, images, information, and the capacity to think. The focus here is on information and the ability to think. The discussion considers the role of information in shaping knowledge, with a particular emphasis on the importance of accuracy, depth, and intellectual discipline. A key theme is the place of non-fiction within learning, with the argument that substantial engagement with reliable, up-to-date information is essential for developing genuine understanding. The conversation contrasts this with the fast, frictionless nature of much digital information consumption, which can undermine sustained thinking and critical engagement. The discussion also explores the challenges posed by artificial intelligence as an information source. While AI can appear efficient and authoritative, it raises serious concerns about reliability and its impact on learners’ ability to evaluate truth, context, and credibility. Across both episodes, the underlying concern is the development of the capacity to think itself, not just to receive ideas, images, and information, but to work with them in ways that build understanding rather than replace it. The episode reflects on the responsibility of educators and school libraries to create conditions in which genuine thinking is possible. Next month, we are delighted to welcome Barbara Stripling to the podcast. Do make sure you subscribe so you don’t miss this episode… Links: Robert A. Heinlein, Have space suit--Will travel (1975/78, p. 128). Douglas Knight (1921–2005), Then-President of Duke University and Chairman of the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. See ‘Foreword’ to Library services for the nation’s needs: Toward fulfillment of a national policy (1968), by the United States National Advisory Commission on Libraries. Jacques Maritain (1882–1973), French philosopher and political thinker (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy), See Education at the crossroads (1943/60, Yale University Press) and The education of man (1962/67, Notre Dame University Press). Dallas Willard (1935–2013), Professor Emeritus in Philosophy at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. See The unhinging of the American mind--Derrida as pretext (1999) and Ontology of knowledge course (1997). For quotations, see ‘Transforming the mind’ in Renovation of the heart (2002, NavPress). This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com