Modern Man

Modern Man Podcast

Men aren't what they should be – and everyone agrees. But what should they be? Welcome to the home of that conversation. Modern Man seeks to rediscover and redeem the heart of man in the modern world. To rediscover the aspects of masculinity that have been lost. To redeem the aspects of masculinity that have lasted. And to respond accordingly. Each episode, Brad, Noah, and Sam grapple with real-life experiences and real-time events to see how we can better develop the heart of man in the modern world.

  1. Oct 19

    I'm Against Everything. I'm For Nothing.

    Most men know exactly what they're against. Ask them what they're for and the room goes quiet. Brad Pierson, Sam Halligan and Noah Gilchrist sit down for a Modern Man current takes episode, and every take ends up circling the same question: when the world gives you a thousand things to hate, what are you actually building? Brad opens with a story he can't shake, a death sentence and the idea of putting an execution on a screen for anyone to watch. He starts where most men start. There is a right and just anger in a man's heart at betrayal and at the taking of innocent life. Then he says the harder thing out loud: it is equally wrong to dress vengeance up in Christian clothes, and when someone he loves is hurt, his own appetite for revenge runs high. The three work it through honestly, not neatly. The difference between the execution itself and the spectacle of it. Whether a public display deters anyone who has already decided to die for a cause. How St. Thomas Aquinas reasoned about the common good, how the Catechism was revised in 2018, and why faithful Catholics still argue about the weight of that change. And Brad's own fork in the road: if the worst people are mostly hurt people hurting people, mercy has a long runway. If some of them simply hate you, the question changes. Noah's take comes out of election season. A political ad built around a public official's lowest moment in the middle of a pandemic nobody alive had ever seen. Put yourself in that chair for one minute, he says, and ask whether you would have done better. A culture that makes a weapon out of a person's worst moment teaches every man watching to be afraid to fail and to never show weakness. Sam goes further still: if anyone is judged by his worst moment, then all of us are finished, and nobody should ever be promoted again. Real strength is knowing you are not an island, that asking for help is not white-knuckling it alone, and that the answer is usually just to be humble. Then the turn. Noah calls this one of the easiest times in modern history to feel completely helpless, a world with unfettered access to everything and no idea how to suffer well, where it can seem like nothing is good. His answer is not a policy. It is a true north, and as a Catholic man his has to be Christ. Brad names the pattern behind every attack ad: a world full of men who know what they're against and have no idea what they're for. Defense all the time and no offense. He wants to build something better in its essence, true, good and beautiful, magnetic enough to draw people near, starting with his own family, his own street and the parish he calls home. Noah has the image for what comes next. His phone sits on the lowest brightness setting and it still lights up the whole bedroom, because the room is dark. As the culture gets darker, a man who actually lives the life of Christ is going to look like he has superpowers. Not because he is better, but because he is lit. Sam closes on a racing documentary he watched on a flight, the story of a legendary driver raised by a father who could not say he loved him, and of a son who spent his life trying to earn it. Watching four hours of a man's whole life unroll, the good and the broken, Sam saw what every one of us will see at the end: how our father's love or the lack of it shaped us, and how that played out in our marriages and in the way we raised our kids. The difference is that we are still living the tape. The film has not stopped rolling. Noah adds a question worth sitting with: if your life were a movie, what would everyone in the theater be screaming at you to do that you are not doing right now? For him it was simple. He said he would come home and help. He lay on the couch instead. Brad finishes on a musical about a man obsessed with who would tell his story, and on the truth underneath it: we do not hold the pen. God is authoring the story, and the only question is how much we yield to Him.

  2. Oct 13

    Everyone's Proud of Me. I'm at 70%.

    Two campus missionaries, two conversions, and one question under the whole hour: what is this actually costing you. Noah Gilchrist and BradPierson sit down for Modern Man — College Edition, recorded in the St. Thomas More Student Center at Ohio State with Blake Madsen ofFOCUS and Gavin Gunkel of St. Paul's Outreach.Life is not about the return. It is about the cost. That is the sentence the hour turns on, and it is said plainly: we keep asking what a decisiongives back, and the only ones ever worth anything are the ones that took something. You can feel it when you are giving seventy percent.Everyone around you says you are doing a good job. You know you are half in. That is the worst feeling a man can carry, and most men live insideit without saying so.Before that, two conversion stories told without any polish. One of them was a high school quarterback whose father left in a scandal when hewas seventeen, who decided in that moment to be the villain because owning the identity hurt less than carrying the hurt. His principal told himthat if he stopped choosing to be a bad person he could do great things, and he wore it as a badge instead. A Protestant missionary invited him toa Bible study. He came alive, spent a year in evangelical churches learning to read scripture and pray, went on a Catholic mission trip intendingto show those Catholics what real faith looked like, and watched a girl named Teresa worship in a way that made him think she loved her versionof Jesus more than he loved his. He went home and attended daily Mass for six months in a tiny rural parish, standing when they stood, kneelingwhen they knelt, until one morning at the elevation he knew. He is now a husband and a father, seven years on staff, fundraising his entire salary.The other grew up a lukewarm Catholic in Dallas, led a youth group while privately unsure whether being Catholic counted as being Christian,decided it was not working out for him, and spent two years as a self-described atheist. He went to a school nobody from his city goes to, joined afraternity, led a pledge class of thirty, and set out to be the alpha of the alphas. Then he bought a twenty dollar puppy to impress a girl, the dognearly died of parvo, and in the middle of a four day treatment at nineteen he prayed the first real prayer of his life. The dog lived. The girl didnot work out. He kept the promise anyway, met missionaries, and heard a talk that reframed his life in one line: a boy asks what he can get; aman asks what he can give.Then the part of the conversation that applies to every man listening, whatever he believes. Real discernment is between two goods, which meansevery choice costs you a good thing. Fall in love with all the options, so that choosing breaks your heart, because you deserve to feel that. God putus in time and space, and time and space means tradeoffs. You do not get to avoid the bill. You only choose which one you pay. Take the moneyand you pay in time, because when your earning capacity goes up your hours stop being yours. Take the mission and you pay in stability. There isno version where nothing is spent.

  3. Oct 6

    Is There A Right Way To Pray?

    Three Catholic men on prayer: what it actually is, why most men quit, and the one question that decides whether any of it is working. Sam Halligan, Brad Piersonand Noah Gilchrist sit down for Modern Man. No guest. Personal prayer, mental prayer, family prayer, and an hour of disagreement about the Mass.Prayer is the exchange of hearts. That is Brad's definition, borrowed from the patristic sources, and it is the sentence the whole episode turns on: here is my heart,Lord, in exchange for yours. The anxious one. The wandering one. The one that feels over-busy. Give me yours in return. Everything else in these sixty-fourminutes is an argument about the means by which that exchange happens, and whether the means have quietly replaced the end.Because the honest version is that most men are told to have a prayer life and never told what one is. Thinking about God is not prayer. Receiving doctrine is notprayer. Stacking devotions is not prayer. One of them spent his whole childhood praying rote prayers and measuring his worth against the count, and then met aGod who had already declared him good before he started. One of them says out loud that he struggles with the Mass, that his mind trails, that he gets more fromtwenty silent minutes with a Bible at five in the morning than from a liturgy, and that he does not go to daily Mass. One of them answers that grace is not afeeling: that a distracted man in a pew still receives what is given there, that efficacy is not emotion, and that a warm body present at the Eucharist is still a bodythat grace reaches.Then the disagreement that runs underneath the whole hour. If a man goes to Mass every day and is still a bad husband, still sarcastic, still unkind in the way hespeaks to the people in his house, what exactly is the prayer doing? One of them argues that we judge our prayer by whether it is transforming us, and that themost discouraging thing in Catholic life is a man who tells you he prays daily and does not look like Jesus. The other two push back: comparison is its own trap,grace works in dry seasons, and the fruit is often invisible to the man bearing it. They land in the same place from three directions. Prayer that produces nocharity is prayer that has gone somewhere else. Name one act of charity at the end of it, and do that thing today.Also in this conversation: the missionary who told a nineteen-year-old to skip daily Mass and pray on his own instead, and why that was bad advice; the marriageanalogy that makes the whole thing concrete, two people who get everything done and never once sit down together; a man who came back from his conversionretreat, was told to babysit his siblings, and punched a hole in the wall on the way up the stairs; what his family actually noticed a year later, which was that hedid the dishes every night; five minutes turned into right now instead of a full hour promised tomorrow; whether praise and worship with a guitar and drums isoptional, and what Romans 12:1 means by calling your body a living sacrifice and your spiritual worship; the man who is guided by himself and is guided by afool; and a practice of thanking God for the flat tire, the expensive gas, and the milk a child spilled on the couch last night. The last third turns communal. The Church obliges the laity to exactly one form of prayer, Mass on Sunday, and every other thing — the Rosary, the chaplet, theHours, a worship set with a guitar and drums — is offered rather than required, because she knows she is dealing with men who were each made differently.

  4. Oct 6

    Stop Numbing Out. Start Showing Up.

    Three Catholic men on the present moment, numbing, and what fatherhood actually asks of a man. Sam Halligan, Brad Pierson and Noah Gilchrist sit down for Modern Man's monthly after action report — the September review of what four weeks of conversation did to the three of them. No guest this cycle. Three hosts, three confessions, and one Latin phrase that turns out to be the argument. Age quod agis. Do what you are doing. It is tattooed on one of them, it cost five hundred dollars more than he expected, and it is a maxim of St. Ignatius of Loyola about conformity to God's will: if you are working, give it all your attention; if you are holding a twelve-week-old at two in the morning so your wife can sleep, do that; if you are washing the dishes, wash the dishes. The episode is what happens when three men hold their own lives up against that sentence and find out how rarely they are actually in the room. Because the honest version is that a working Catholic man has four things — pray, work out, work, love your family — and no margins left over. There is a Navy SEAL in this file, brought in to speak at a Damascus Forge event, who was asked where the margins are and answered flatly that there are none. And the thing a man does with that gap is numb. One of them plays a guitar loudly enough in the evenings that he cannot hear his children, and says out loud on the recording that he needs to repent of it. One of them listens to podcasts through the dishes so he never has to be alone with the sink, then tries it without and finds himself struggling to stay for four minutes. One of them left a group text deliberately ambiguous so he would come out of the story better, and texted the correction from the dinner table rather than carry it another hour. Then the retreat. One of them was asked out of the blue to speak at the parish he grew up in, wrote the message between midnight and three because his newborn does not sleep, walked in with a talk full of young-dad jokes and found twelve men waiting, eight of them between seventy and ninety. The talk landed. He was given permission to leave and did not take it, sat down in a small group he did not want to be in, and listened to a man he had never met describe a life that looked nothing like his — and drove home and told his wife he lives in a bubble. Work behind a computer, a show here and there, football, in and out of Mass as fast as possible, go to bed, repeat. The framework underneath it comes from an eighty-year-old on a podcast: shut up, suit up, show up. Stop complaining, because far more people would draw your life out of a hat than their own. Present yourself strongly to whatever you are called to. Then be there — early, on time, engaged — and bring the moment what it actually calls for. Which leads to the hardest question in it: if a hundred people put their worst suffering in a hat, would you put yours in and risk pulling someone else's? All three say no. A life without suffering is a life without love, and none of them would trade the responsibility that is currently wrecking them. Also in this conversation: the British business show one of them watches from one to three in the morning on four and a half hours of sleep; a fifteen-month-old who is now a menace; the farmer with the best crops in the county whose only secret is that he does not fight the weather; a place where it is always winter and never Christmas, and what happens to the snow when Aslan is on the move; G. K. Chesterton on the eternal appetite of infancy, and a Father who never got tired of making the daisy; a deer in Maryland that a family stopped the car for; and the question Fr. Pat Schultz turned back on two hosts in last month's episode — what is it like when you go home and see your daughters — that put both of them in tears on the recording.

  5. Sep 19

    Stop Being Strong. Start Being a Son.

    Catholic priest Fr. Pat Schultz on masculinity, receptivity and spiritual fatherhood. Pastor of St. Bartholomew Parish in the Diocese ofCleveland — one priest to roughly 2,000 families — he sits down with Modern Man in a closed coffee shop in Centerburg, Ohio, for the fullconversion story, the seminary discernment, the altar servers, the Holy Name Society, and the argument that most men's ministry has itbackwards. Two hosts, one guest: Noah and Brad. Sam Halligan is out this week.The man who now stands at the altar is the same nine-year-old who heard a priest say "Behold the Lamb of God" from the back row, answeredhim out loud with a farm animal noise, and got hauled out of the building by his father. Fr. Pat tells the whole thing. Parents who married inthe Church because that is simply what you did. A religious education career that ended in second grade over felt banners and a Dixie cup ofmilk that was never enough milk. A physics-class crush he lied to about how seriously he took his faith, who invited him to a retreat planningmeeting anyway. And the night the lights went down, the monstrance came up the aisle, and a sixteen-year-old with no category for any of itprayed the first prayer of his life in four sentences: God, I think you're real. I think this is real. I don't know what this is. Whatever it is, I wantmore of it, and I'm ready.Then the cost of it. A father explaining that faith is one slice of the pie and his son was making it the whole pie. A letter from a priest tellinghim to consider the seminary, intercepted by his mother, torn up, thrown away, followed by a phone call telling that priest never to contact herson again. A best friend who swore an oath with him not to go, and then went first. Acceptance letters from Notre Dame, Georgetown andCatholic University landing in the mailbox on the same day as the seminary packet — one of them framed by his dad, the other one in thetrash. Then years of sitting in an ache he could not resolve, looking around a seminary chapel thinking none of you look like husbands, noneof you look like fathers, and begging God for permission to leave that never came. Wanting to leave and being told to leave, he says, aredifferent things.The argument underneath all of it is what the hour is actually for. Men get told to protect, to provide, to do the hard thing, to beat their chest.Fr. Pat's claim is that none of that is what the wedding feast asks of a man — you wear a wedding garment to it, not chainmail — and that thething almost no man has been taught is how to receive. Receptivity, he says, is simply the recognition that you need something. Which meansthat if the pinnacle of masculinity is no longer needing anything from anyone, then the pinnacle of masculinity is also a working definition ofhell: a definitive state of self-exclusion, and a thing a lot of men are practicing right now, one man and one business and one screen at a time.Also in this conversation: the lion you would rather keep behind glass at the zoo than meet in the wild; the angry fourteen-year-old stilldriving the bus of a grown man's life; why making altar service harder produced more servers instead of fewer, down to which thumb goes ontop; a parish men's group that grew by thirty in a year because somebody finally called them higher; what it costs to be the only priest for twothousand families when the phone rings at the hour of somebody's death; marriage as a remedy for your wretchedness rather than a reward foryour virtue; Gethsemane and the olive press; a police officer with pink toenails under his steel-toe boots; a purple pinwheel riding in the frontseat of a truck; and the closing instruction — make a list of ten things that pierce and move your heart, and have the courage to tell one personabout them.

  6. Sep 4

    Win the Argument. Lose the Room.

    Apologetics or evangelization, truth or connection — Christian men online have split into two camps, and neither one seems able to do it with love. Three hosts, no guests: parasocial relationships, comment-section culture, digital minimalism, and the question underneath all of it. Why do we love to watch conflict? Brad opens the split and asks how a Christian man is supposed to stand between the camp that fights for truth and the camp that fights for people. Sam names what the comment sections have actually become, and the old line that all good catechesis evangelizes and all good evangelization catechizes. Noah asks the harder question underneath it — what is it in us that wants to watch something blow up, and was that always there before everybody had an account. Along the way: Bishop Barron on who is actually qualified to teach, Jordan Peterson telling the church to ask more and not less, Arthur Brooks on the grandfather who was bored all the time and never anxious, Pascal on the man who cannot sit alone in a room, and Francis Chan's question about two rooms and which one the church would walk into. Then the bill arrives. Perceived purpose online is not real purpose in life. Nobody you argue with online has ever met you. A prayer hour becomes thirty minutes because a phone got the other thirty. The most important arena of your life is the one your feet are standing in — so look down. We exist to rediscover and redeem the heart of man in the modern world.

  7. Aug 28

    Become Yourself. Then Pay for It.

    Three men, no guests, and a month to account for. Modern Man's August after-action report looks back at three episodes — the hero draft, the long-form argument with Gabe Gessler and Conall Hughes about screens and real life, and the Sophie Cunningham conversation — and finds the same thing running under all three: a man burning as brightly as he was actually made to. Sam asks what it looks like to be most fully alive. Noah asks the harder question underneath it — how do you know who you are before you go be it, and how do you avoid becoming a mirror of somebody else. Brad answers that a life is not a puzzle with missing pieces but a block of marble: you get revealed by chiselling away what doesn't have to be there. Then the bill arrives. Brad names the disappointment that quietly turned into bitterness in his own house and the wife who told him his light had dimmed. Sam tells the story of leaving Damascus for Iowa, the journal with two columns, and the friendships that did not survive the decision. Noah lands on the courageous small step — forty-five more laps around the backyard so his wife gets an hour to herself. Along the way: virtue as the mean between cowardice and rash boldness, why freedom and not certainty is the sign you've discerned well, and why a great yes always comes by way of serious no's. Nothing you do comes without a cost. The only question is what's worth it. We exist to rediscover and redeem the heart of man in the modern world.

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Men aren't what they should be – and everyone agrees. But what should they be? Welcome to the home of that conversation. Modern Man seeks to rediscover and redeem the heart of man in the modern world. To rediscover the aspects of masculinity that have been lost. To redeem the aspects of masculinity that have lasted. And to respond accordingly. Each episode, Brad, Noah, and Sam grapple with real-life experiences and real-time events to see how we can better develop the heart of man in the modern world.