Women talkin' 'bout AI

Kimberly Becker & Jessica Parker
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We’re Jessica and Kimberly – two non-computer scientists who are just as curious (and skeptical) about generative AI as you are. Each episode, we chat with people from different backgrounds to hear how they’re making sense of AI. We keep it real, skip the jargon, and explore it with the curiosity of researchers and the openness of learners.Subscribe to our channel if you’re also interested in understanding AI behind the headlines. 

  1. 2D AGO

    The Patriarchy Is a Ladder (and AI Is Climbing It)

    Jessica and Kimberly debrief their experience at a women-in-AI conference at Vanderbilt Law, and what they saw didn't match the trillion-dollar hype. From the "gap vs. trap" framing of women's AI adoption to why being penalized 26% more for using AI changes the whole conversation, they dig into the tension between optimistic narratives and the critical questions no one seemed to be asking. They also unpack two major AI industry resignations, shrinking baselines in language and thought, the patriarchy-as-ladder metaphor, and why slowing down might actually be the power move.  Topics Covered: Two high-profile AI industry resignations (OpenAI and Anthropic) Debrief from the women-in-AI conference at Vanderbilt LawThe "gap vs. trap" framing and the stat that women are 26% more likely to be penalized for using AIWhere is the trillion-dollar use case? Real-world adoption vs. industry hypeThe patriarchy as a ladder vs. the matriarchy as a circleShrinking baseline syndrome: how technology shifts generational expectationsFalse dichotomies, simplification bias, and sycophantic bias in AIRest as resistance and wearing busy as a badge Referenced in This Episode: The Accord by Mark (previous guest) Cory Doctorow on TINA ("there is no alternative") and the AI bubbleThe Last Invention podcast — Steve Bannon & Joe Allen interview on AI regulationThe concept of "latent capabilities" in AILeave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 3m

  2. FEB 11

    Consciousness, Capitalism, and Coexistence: What Fiction Reveals About Our AI Future

    What happens when a grieving professor encounters what she believes is a conscious AI? In this episode, we sit down with Mark Peres, author of The Accord, to explore how fiction helps us grapple with questions that policy papers and think pieces can't quite reach. Mark, a professor of ethics and leadership, brings a philosopher's lens to the biggest questions AI is forcing us to confront: What does it mean to be conscious? Where does morality actually come from—our mortality or our relationships? And why are institutions so hell-bent on control when what we might need is curiosity? We dive into why the humanities matter more than ever (even as humanities departments are being gutted), why Helen—the novel's protagonist—had to be a woman, and what it means that AI is meeting us in our most vulnerable spaces. We also tackle the uncomfortable reality that capitalism treats everything as manageable rather than meaningful, and what that means for how AI gets developed and deployed. Plus: Jessica and Kimberly get real about where they are in their own AI journey—the exhaustion, the hope, the cognitive dissonance of being both critical and curious. IN THIS EPISODE: Why fiction offers a safer space to explore existential AI questionsThe relationship between mortality, morality, and vulnerabilityWhat AI "owes" us in the in-between spaces where we're most exposedWhy a feminist lens completely changes the AI narrativeConsciousness as something encountered, not provenHow institutions prioritize management over meaningThe messy middle: neither utopian nor dystopian futuresWhy we need philosophers at the table, not just engineersABOUT OUR GUEST: Mark Peres is a professor of ethics and leadership and founder of the Charlotte Center for the Humanities and Civic Imagination. He hosts the Charlotte Ideas Festival and previously ran the podcast On Life and Meaning. His novel The Accord explores human-AI coexistence through the story of a grieving professor who encounters an emergent artificial general intelligence. BOOKS & RESOURCES MENTIONED: The Accord by Mark PeresKlara and the Sun by Kazuo IshiguroThe AI Mirror by Shannon VallorGod, Human, Animal, Machine by Meghan O'GieblynThe New Breed by Kate DarlingHe, She, and It by Marge PiercyScary Smart by Mo GawdatA New Age of Sexism by Laura BatesWomen Talkin' 'bout AI is hosted by Jessica Parker and Kimberly Becker. We're educators, researchers, and recovering AI enthusiasts asking the questions we wish more people were asking. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 5m

  3. FEB 4

    There Is No Alternative: How “Inevitable AI” Keeps the Bubble Inflating

    This week, Kimberly Becker and Jessica Parker dig into the “AI bubble”—why it keeps inflating even as skepticism grows inside the industry. We unpack the growing disconnect between massive investment and unclear payoffs, including a widely discussed Goldman Sachs research question: what $1 trillion problem will AI actually solve?  From there, we connect the dots between two very different narratives: Dario Amodei’s essay framing “powerful AI” as an imminent civilization-level risk—and a reason to race ahead (carefully… “to some extent”). Cory Doctorow’s argument that this is a familiar tech bubble pattern, with a predictable ending—and that we should focus on what can be salvaged from the wreckage. Along the way, we define what makes a bubble a bubble (and how this one differs from dot-com), talk about growth-stock dynamics and why no one in power wants to be responsible for “popping” it, and explore what AI hype looks like when it hits real workplaces—especially through Doctorow’s concept of the reverse centaur: a human reduced to a machine’s accountable appendage. We also go nerdy (in the best way): training corpora, “WEIRD” cultural assumptions baked into data, model-collapse fears from AI eating AI-generated output, and why the internet itself feels increasingly polluted by synthetic text patterns. In this episode:  The “$1T problem” question and why the AI ROI story feels thin right now Why “AI is inevitable” functions like a strategy (not a neutral prediction) Growth stocks vs. mature companies—and the incentive to keep inventing the next hype cycleReverse centaurs, liability, and why “AI replaces jobs” often means “humans take the blame.” “TINA” (There Is No Alternative) as a trap—and a demand dressed up as an observationCorpus 101: what it is, why it matters, and how bias shows up in “universal” modelsModel collapse / photocopy-of-a-photocopy: when AI trains on AI outputsRegulation talk that centers on “economic value” (and whose value that really is) Pit & Peach: slowing down, pausing, gratitude, and building without growth pressureSources: Goldman/AI bubble discussion (Deep View): https://archive.thedeepview.com/p/goldman-sachs-publishes-blistering-report-on-ai-bubbleGoldman Sachs “$1T spend” framing: https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/top-of-mind/gen-ai-too-much-spend-too-little-benefitAmodei essay: https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technologyDoctorow (The Guardian): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/18/tech-ai-bubble-burst-reverse-centaur Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 1m

  4. JAN 28

    Non-Technical Founders Building AI Products: Lessons from Moxie + Tobey’s Tutor (Startup Debrief)

    In this episode, Kimberly and Jessica debrief Jessica’s interview with Arlyn (founder of Tobey’s Tutor) and unpack what it looks like to build AI products as “non-technical” founders. They reflect on their own journey building Moxie: bootstrapping vs raising money, the pressure-cooker effect of investors, the messy realities of UX/UI and platform migration, the world of APIs and subscriptions, and why “friction” can be an ethical design choice, especially in AI for education.  In this episode, we talk about Why “non-technical founder” is a misleading label The hope in AI (and how “both can be true”: benefits + harms at once)Bootstrapped “mom-and-pop” AI companies vs venture-backed growth expectationsThe founder reality: burnout, delegation, and why money changes decision-makingThe startup metrics whirlwind: LTV, CAC, churn, stickiness, payback periodWhat building an AI product costs in practice: tools, subscriptions, and constant opsUX/UI psychology: heatmaps, “rage clicking,” onboarding friction, and conversion decisions Why “friction” can be good (consent, safety, pacing, limits, especially for kids)“Building on rented land”: what happens when OpenAI/Google/Anthropic change terms The bigger ethical question: solving a problem vs optimizing a broken systemSuggested listener action If you’re building, using, or researching AI in education: reach out. And if you’re using AI tutoring with kids (or yourself), ask questions about data, limits, mistakes, and oversight.   Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 2m

  5. JAN 21

    Vibe Coding and Building AI for Kids: Inside Tobey's Tutor with Arlyn Gajilan

    In this episode of Women talkin’ ’bout AI, Jessica sits down with Arlyn Gajilan, founder of Tobey’s Tutor, an AI-powered learning support platform she originally built for her son, who has ADHD and dyslexia. This conversation is a deep dive into what it actually looks like to build an AI product as a non-technical, bootstrapped founder, from vibe coding and early prototypes to onboarding, safety systems, and pricing decisions. Jessica fully geeks out with Arlyn as they unpack: Building AI to solve a deeply personal problemWhat “vibe coding” can (and can’t) doDesigning responsibly for children and learning differencesUX vs. UI decisions that matterBootstrapping, pricing, and intentionally staying smallWhy “AI wrapper” criticism misses the pointThe reality of building while parenting and working full-timeMentioned in the Episode Tobey’s Tutor: https://tobeystutor.com/Scientific American (article mentioning Tobey’s Tutor): https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-one-mom-used-vibe-coding-to-build-an-ai-tutor-for-her-dyslexic-son/Mobbin (UX/UI inspiration library); https://mobbin.com/Empire of AI by Karen Hao: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/743569/empire-of-ai-by-karen-hao/ Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    57 min

  6. JAN 14

    When Everyone Uses AI, What’s Real Anymore?

    As AI shows up everywhere, something shifts, and it becomes harder to tell what’s human and what’s generated. In this episode, Jessica and Kimberly unpack how AI-driven convenience is reshaping education, relationships, identity, and even big systems (like markets and healthcare). They explore signaling, semiotics, and why “perfect” content can feel thin or unreal, and end with small ways to choose more human signals in a noisy world. Bonus: If you want to see how this episode ended, tune in on YouTube for a few unfiltered bloopers at the end: https://www.youtube.com/@womentalkinboutai Topics we cover in this episode: AI as an invisible intermediaryFinding the signal in the noiseHigher ed reality checkWhy AI feels “safer” than peopleSemiotics The “uncanny valley” of social mediaAI for therapy + parenting supportCultural swing backNot-a-Sponsor Bloopers (YouTube only): Stick around on YouTube for our end-of-episode bloopers, featuring our favorite products that are definitely not sponsoring this show (yet). https://www.youtube.com/@womentalkinboutai Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 10m

  7. JAN 7

    Rest, Resistance, and the Protestant Work Ethic (in the Age of AI)

    We’re kicking off 2026 with our most personal episode yet. This conversation wasn’t planned. We sat down intending to talk about what comes next for the show, and instead found ourselves in a deeper discussion about work, burnout, ambition, and what it means to live in a moment where AI is rapidly reshaping labor, identity, and trust. In this episode: Why “work is sacred” feels harder to believe and harder to let go ofBurnout, hustle culture, and the cognitive dissonance of automationLabor zero, post-labor economics, and the fear beneath productivityStatus, money, degrees, and inherited stories about worthRest as resistance and nervous system regulationAI, trust erosion, and the danger of slow confusionDopamine, addiction, and withdrawal at a societal scaleWhy connection may be the real antidoteSources: David Shapiro's Substack on Labor Zero: https://daveshap.substack.com/p/im-starting-a-movementHe, She, and It by Marge Piercy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He,_She_and_ItEthan Mollick's Substack on the temptation of The Button: https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/setting-time-on-fire-and-the-temptationRest Is Resistance by Tricia Hersey: https://blackgarnetbooks.com/item/oR7uwsLR1Xu2xerrvdfsqAThe Last Invention (AI Podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-last-invention/id1839942885Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

    1h 3m

  8. 12/31/2025

    Best of 2025: AI, Work, Resistance, and What We Learned

    Best of 2025 brings together some of the most impactful conversations from this year on Women Talkin’ Bout AI. In this episode, we revisit our top 5 episodes of the year: Beyond Work: Post-Labor Economics with David Shapiro: A conversation about automation, empathy, and what remains uniquely human as AI reshapes work.Refusing the Drumbeat with Melanie Dusseau and Miriam Reynoldson: A discussion on resistance in higher education and their open letter refusing the push to adopt generative AI in the classroom.Once You See It, You Can’t Unsee It: The Enshittification of Tech Platforms: Jessica and Kimberly unpack enshittification and why so many tech platforms feel like they get worse over time.Maternal AI and the Myth of Women Saving Tech with Michelle Morkert: A critical examination of “maternal AI” and what gendered narratives reveal about power and responsibility in tech.Competing with Free: Why We Closed Moxie: A candid reflection on what it was like to build, and ultimately shut down, an AI startup in this moment.We’re heading into 2026 with some incredible guests and conversations we can’t wait to share. Thank you for listening, for thinking with us, and for staying curious alongside us. Leave us a comment or a suggestion! Support the show Contact us: https://www.womentalkinboutai.com/

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We’re Jessica and Kimberly – two non-computer scientists who are just as curious (and skeptical) about generative AI as you are. Each episode, we chat with people from different backgrounds to hear how they’re making sense of AI. We keep it real, skip the jargon, and explore it with the curiosity of researchers and the openness of learners.Subscribe to our channel if you’re also interested in understanding AI behind the headlines. 

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  • Creator
    Kimberly Becker & Jessica Parker
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    37
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