Drumbeats - Canadian Indigenous Investment Podcast

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WELCOME TO DRUMBEATS Drumbeats is the must-listen podcast for investors interested in Indigenous investment in Canada. Born from the Canadian Indigenous Investment Forum, the show focuses on the nexus of Indigenous economic strategies and investment opportunities. Hosts Mark Magnacca and Rob Brant, co-chairs of the Summit, lead engaging interviews and expert analyses that explore how these crucial conversations impact economic development within Indigenous communities and beyond.

  1. 4d ago

    Zero Defaults, C$4B Issued: Inside Canada's Indigenous Bond Market

    C$4B+ in Indigenous debentures issued. C$10B in federal loan guarantees deployed. Two CEOs explain the capital architecture behind it. Canada's Indigenous capital markets infrastructure has reached a scale that institutional investors can no longer overlook. In this episode, recorded at the City of London during the third Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit, Ernie Daniels, President and CEO of the @firstnationsfinanceauthority and Kristan Straub, President and CEO of the Canada Indigenous Loan Guarantee Corporation (CILGC), explain the mechanics of two institutions now operating at billions of dollars of deployment. The FNFA has issued more than C$4 billion in debentures since 2014, backed entirely by First Nations' own source revenues, with investment-grade credit ratings from Moody's, DBRS Morningstar, and S&P. The CILGC, backed by C$10 billion in federal guarantee capacity, has completed its first transactions, including a C$400 million guarantee supporting 38 First Nations' equity acquisition in a major gas pipeline. Topics covered include FNFA's pooled borrowing model and bond issuance programme, the CILGC guarantee structure and deal pipeline, how international capital can participate alongside Indigenous equity partners, and the revenue transformation underway in First Nations communities. Essential listening for infrastructure finance, DCM, and leveraged finance professionals evaluating Canadian opportunities.

    Zero Defaults, C$4B Issued: Inside Canada's Indigenous Bond Market

  2. Jul 21

    Indigenous Projects Outperform. The Market Hasn't Asked Why.

    The City of London manages approximately 13% of global assets under management, representing an estimated 25 to 30% of internationally movable capital. When Sean Willy, President and CEO of the Des Nedhe Group, sat down with Professor Michael Mainelli, founder of Z/Yen (the City's leading commercial think tank) and Emeritus Gresham Professor of Commerce, at the London Stock Exchange during the Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit, the conversation turned to a question institutional investors rarely ask: why do Indigenous-partnered projects consistently outperform? Sean Willy leads English River First Nation's economic development corporation, which has grown from a single construction business into a portfolio of 24 companies spanning resources, construction, defence, and property development across North America. Des Nedhe now operates with an independent board of directors, majority female and majority Indigenous, and is actively engaging European investors, particularly in the defence sector. Willy describes the deal structures that have enabled Indigenous-led growth, including free-carry equity participation models where project proponents structure Indigenous involvement without requiring capital contributions from the First Nation partner. Professor Mainelli, who hosted the inaugural Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit at Mansion House during his year as the 695th Lord Mayor of the City of London, brings over three decades of commercial analysis in the Square Mile through Z/Yen. He argues that Indigenous governance models, with their emphasis on multi-generational stewardship and stakeholder alignment, are now finding support in mainstream economic theory, particularly through the concept of land value capture. His comparison of the City of London Corporation, the world's oldest continuous democratic cooperative dating to 640 AD, with First Nations governance structures offers a framework that will resonate with European institutional audiences. The conversation also examines how new capital infrastructure, including the federal Indigenous Loan Guarantee Programme (now CAD 10 billion), provincial guarantee programmes, the Canada Infrastructure Bank, and the First Nations Finance Authority, has created systematic mechanisms for Indigenous equity participation at an institutional scale. Recorded live at the City of London during the third annual Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit.

    Indigenous Projects Outperform. The Market Hasn't Asked Why.

  3. Jul 14

    Teachers' Is Leaning In: A Maple 8 Fund on Indigenous Deal Flow in Canada

    C$280bn fund building Indigenous relationships in Canada. OTPP's Robert Sturgeon and Suncor director JP Gladu on deal flow and a half-trillion pipeline. Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan manages nearly C$280 billion on behalf of 350,000 members and deploys roughly 30% in Canada. Senior Managing Director Robert Sturgeon tells Drumbeats about how the fund is prioritising building Indigenous relationships and better understanding the ecosystem, opportunities and challenges, as well as the interest they are seeing for investment in Canada. JP Gladu, Principal of Mokwateh and a Suncor Energy board director, sits on the Prime Minister's Major Projects Office Indigenous Advisory Committee, an 11-member body evaluating roughly C$500 billion in approved projects. Recorded at the third annual Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit at the City of London, this conversation covers: how Suncor's East Tank Farm enabled two First Nations to acquire a 49% equity stake in a billion-dollar-plus asset, why Indigenous partnership now lowers cost of capital and accelerates regulatory timelines, what the Major Projects Office is doing to clear seven federal ministries' worth of bottleneck, and how BHP applies Indigenous engagement principles across its C$14 billion Jansen potash project and global operations.

    Teachers' Is Leaning In: A Maple 8 Fund on Indigenous Deal Flow in Canada

  4. Jul 7

    From 2 to 200 Listed Companies: Scaling Indigenous Capital Markets

    Indigenous capital markets, institutional deal flow, and a 2-to-200 listed company gap: TMX Group CEO John McKenzie and CIBC's Lisa Raitt. John McKenzie, CEO of TMX Group, and the Hon. Lisa Raitt, Vice Chair at CIBC Capital Markets, sit down with Mark Magnacca and Rob Brant during the Canadian Indigenous Investment Summit 2026. McKenzie quantifies the scale of the opportunity: two Indigenous-led companies are currently listed on Canadian exchanges, against a proportional target of 150 to 200. Raitt argues that the deals Indigenous communities are presenting to institutional investors are resource, energy, and infrastructure transactions evaluated on the same commercial terms as any other proponent. The conversation covers the capital stack now forming around Indigenous projects, including federal loan guarantees, the FNFA debt programme, and the first exchange-listed equity vehicles, alongside TMX Group's reconciliation-linked index data showing 20 years of outperformance among committed companies.

    From 2 to 200 Listed Companies: Scaling Indigenous Capital Markets

  5. Jul 2

    What Gord Downie Started: Why Canadian Boards Now Take Notice

    Over nine thousand five hundred Canadian schools, all five major Canadian banks, and over one hundred major corporates have signed up to the work of the Gord Downie and Chanie Wenjack Fund, the charity that grew out of a terminally ill rock star's call to his country in August 2016 to do something about the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Canadians. Sarah Midanik, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Fund and a board director at the Canadian Council for Indigenous Business, joins Mark Magnacca and Rob Brant to set out what this cultural shift means for international investors evaluating Canadian assets. Sarah's argument for the Square Mile is direct: companies still treating Indigenous communities as stakeholders rather than rights holders are carrying unpriced execution risk. The Partnership Accreditation in Indigenous Relations framework, administered by CCIB, now gives Canadian boards a four-pillar measurement system. Indigenous consent and partnership, Sarah says, can determine whether a major Canadian project gets built. Starting next week, Drumbeats publishes every Tuesday. We have an exciting new series coming — stay tuned. Learn more about the Gord Downie & Chanie Wenjack Fund: https://downiewenjack.ca

    What Gord Downie Started: Why Canadian Boards Now Take Notice

  6. Jun 25

    Six Questions to Ask When Backing a Canadian Project

    Jordan Baptiste, Partner and President of Creative Fire, joins Drumbeats to discuss how a 25-year-old Nation-owned Indigenous advisory, engagement and creative agency is supporting major companies including Agnico Eagle, Ontario Power Generation and Denison Mines. Creative Fire is a Nation-owned Indigenous advisory, strategy, and creative consultancy, owned by English River First Nation through Des Nedhe Group. The professional services firm supports some of Canada's largest resource companies with Indigenous engagement, communications, reporting, and reconciliation efforts, while returning profits back to the Nation and making a grassroots impact across the country. Jordan outlines how that ownership model shapes the firm's competitive advantage, its approach to community-centred impact, and the practical work required to move reconciliation from intention to implementation. The conversation covers reconciliation action plans that go beyond shelf documents, the commercial case for board-level Indigenous governance, equity participation models for Nations, and why Canada's fastest-growing demographic represents the country's future workforce, leadership and project partner base. Subscribe to Drumbeats and visit the Canadian Indigenous Investment Forum.

    Six Questions to Ask When Backing a Canadian Project

  7. Jun 18

    NACCA: Banking The Indigenous Entrepreneurs Powering Canada

    Shannin Metatawabin, CEO of NACCA, on 55,000 Indigenous business loans at a 97% repayment rate and the fund that pays investors first. The National Aboriginal Capital Corporations Association is Canada's national body for more than 50 Indigenous financial institutions. Over 35 years, the network has made 55,000 loans to Indigenous entrepreneurs and small businesses, with a 97% repayment rate that Shannin notes outperforms the commercial banks. Annual lending has risen 60% since 2024. The Indigenous Growth Fund, NACCA's institutional vehicle, closed its first round at C$153M with the Government of Canada and three federal crown corporations as anchor investors. A second fundraise is now under way. What this episode covers: Fund mechanics and LP access: an evergreen structure where investors are paid first, with a Canadian LP as the established entry route for UK and European institutions.Network scale and credit quality: 55,000 loans, C$3.6bn deployed, 60% annual lending growth, and OECD recognition across 80 member states as a global best practice model.Canada's major project pipeline: a C$10bn government guarantee for Indigenous community equity ownership in major projects, with the NACCA lending network as the small business supplier base those projects depend on. Drumbeats is the podcast of the Canadian Indigenous Investment Forum. More at canadianindigenousinvestmentforum.org.

    NACCA: Banking The Indigenous Entrepreneurs Powering Canada

  8. Jun 11

    National Coalition of Chiefs' Dale Swampy on Indigenous-Led Pipelines

    For institutional investors weighing Canadian energy and infrastructure exposure, the framing of Indigenous engagement has fundamentally shifted. The new question isn't whether First Nations will support projects. It's whether they will lead them. In this episode of Drumbeats, hosts Mark Magnacca and Rob Brant speak with Dale Swampy, President of the National Coalition of Chiefs, a body representing eighty-one First Nations chiefs across Canada with a mandate to defeat on-reserve poverty through major resource development. Dale brings two decades of front-line pipeline consultation experience, including his role leading the Aboriginal Equity Partners process for the Northern Gateway pipeline. He breaks down why, contrary to the prevailing media narrative, thirty-one of forty directly affected First Nations communities signed on as supporters of that project, including a thirty-three percent ownership stake unlike anything seen on a Canadian pipeline since. In this conversation, you'll discover: Why Northern Gateway 2.0 will only proceed as a First Nations-led project, and what that means for the capital structure of the next generation of Canadian export infrastructureHow the Coalition Model has produced multi-billion-dollar Indigenous asset acquisitions in upstream and midstreamThe strategic case for Kitimat over Prince Rupert as Canada's principal Pacific export terminalWhy over half of Canadians now back domestic fossil fuel production, a sentiment shift that hasn't occurred since before 2015The candid investor view on regulatory ambiguity around free, prior, and informed consent legislationThis is essential intelligence for European institutional investors with allocations to Canadian energy infrastructure, critical minerals, and adjacent sectors, and for advisors structuring transactions where Indigenous participation is now a precondition rather than an afterthought.

    National Coalition of Chiefs' Dale Swampy on Indigenous-Led Pipelines
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WELCOME TO DRUMBEATS Drumbeats is the must-listen podcast for investors interested in Indigenous investment in Canada. Born from the Canadian Indigenous Investment Forum, the show focuses on the nexus of Indigenous economic strategies and investment opportunities. Hosts Mark Magnacca and Rob Brant, co-chairs of the Summit, lead engaging interviews and expert analyses that explore how these crucial conversations impact economic development within Indigenous communities and beyond.

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